“To all, but especially to my close friends here in HuffPost,
Thank you for your intellect, genius, and wisdom. It has been a pleasure (most of the time) to have spirited discussions on such a myriad of different subjects. I hope that you have gained from me, as much as I have gained from you. I can say that with your collective voices, I am a wiser man today than I was several years ago.
“This again proves the GOP has never had any real concern to reduce the deficit and debt.”
PeaRidge on May 30, 2014 at 08:37:34
“Nope. They don't care. I knew that when they remained completely silent about it until the day Barack Obama was elected in 2008. They didn't even wait until he was sworn in. Anybody who claims not to see their hypocrisy and phony pearl clutching is willfully ignoring facts.”
I study statistical data for a living, and we aren't talking a "handful" of stories here. You seem to have a strong bias against any information that is collected through sound methods. There is PLENTY of data that women, who share the same education, experience, knowledge, and acumen as their male counterparts, make amount that is significantly less.
The truth is that this is implicit bias against women, regardless of their qualifications. For example, women suffer a "mother tax", when men don't. That is simply, morally wrong.
If you are open to reading more, here is an important international study on the subject, which gives the BROAD biased reasons why women suffer an economic gap:
“You don't need to take my word for it. A study that is linked in the very article you linked in your previous post proves my point. For instance, it states that recent college graduate women earn 18 percent less than recent college graduate men, but when actual career choices are factored in, the difference was only 7 percent.
That 7 percent, to the extent it's not statistical noise, can probably be accounted for by factors they didn't consider, and/or the sort of hiring biases that one cannot possibly legislate against. For example, people in hiring positions may on average have a slight preference for hiring men, making it slightly less likely that women get the more prestigious, and therefore higher-paying, positions in their chosen professions.
It certainly doesn't show a systematic case of women with equal qualifications being paid less for the same positions. I'm sure you can find many anecdotes that appear to support the assertion, but you should know better than to rely on such things. Indeed, 3 of the 4 "key factors" in the link you just posted have nothing to do with hiring biases against women, or anything remotely like it.”
This is also a false argument. There are many examples of men and women in the same fields with the same levels of experience and education making difference amounts of money. For example:
"In the April, 2014 print edition of Essence Magazine, I tell my personal story of how, I was offered and paid less annually for an attorney position, at a now defunct law firm, than a male co-worker and friend who had declined the job. When my co-worker turned down the offer, he told me about the open position including his salary offer. I was sure I would receive the same offer because if anything my credentials, experience and education were superior to his resume. To my surprise, he was offered $30,000 more than what they offered to me, a woman of color, for the same job."
This is one of many women that I personally know have experienced.”
rikilii on May 27, 2014 at 16:05:24
“A handful of stories doesn't have much or anything to do with statistical averages. The magnitude of the issue is exaggerated by these "studies" that ignore many obvious differences between men and women, statistically speaking, that account for the great majority of the difference in average salaries.”
“Rick, your assertion doesn't make sense. This article is referring to salary-based workers. The number of hours worked or time in the workforce is not applicable. The base annual salaries should be equal, based on equal education and experience.”
rikilii on May 23, 2014 at 21:44:35
“I wasn't referring to hours worked, I was referring to years worked. There is no indication that this data is corrected for that.”
“You are absolutely wrong. Study after study has shown us that making it out of poverty is very hard and only about a third of people actually make it...and, when they do, half of those people will fall back into poverty. This has been a cycle that's been going on for decades.
It has a lot to do with the state of education and economics within the rural and urban areas of our country. These are the places that have the most impoverished people with the lowest amount of quality resources, like schools and other public services.”
“"New information"? What's "new"? I have read the "email" the media has referred to, and there is absolutely nothing new that hasn't been vetted previously. Republicans are trying to create fever amongst their own base to raise enthusiasm and money. Look at the questions that the Select Committee Chair wants to ask, for example. They are all questions that have been asked, answered, and solutioned.”
“"Why the Dems want equal representation is so they can slow down the process nothing more."
You mean, slower than 13 public hearings, 50 briefings, 25,000 pages of documents, AND a bipartisan report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence determined that "there were no efforts by the White House or any other executive branch entities to 'cover-up' facts or make alterations for political purposes."”
h111aryc1inton on May 13, 2014 at 17:57:32
“Except of course the fact that new information just keeps popping up - you know like an email that should have been turned over.”
free thinker 3-5-7 on May 13, 2014 at 14:26:05
“There is no process to slow down they are just pressing repeat on this whole "investigation" Truly sad!”
“"The president is spending part of today talking about climate change, when [where] Americans want to see a change in the climate is the employment climate," said Barrasso. "The president continues to be held hostage by large donors to his party."
Sen. John Thune (R-S.D.). suggested Americans simply care less about the climate than other issues, such as the economy, the Keystone pipeline and jobs, and that the White House should focus on those instead.
So, climate change can't lead to positive changes in our economy? These senators and the GOP, as a whole, knows full well that one of the greatest opportunities for economic growth in our country is clean energy. We could be leading the way for other countries to buy from us new technologies, which could be cheaper and more efficient than traditional energy source...but no, they choose to be political and align themselves with their donor class, which wants to control all sources of energy.”
“But, that isn't "cultural", Scott...there are high numbers for unmarried births of Hispanic and Native American groups, as well. This suggests a structural bias, because the numbers drops significantly amongst white and Asian groups.
One international study by the UN has shown that higher levels of education, particularly among girls, had a strong correlation to declining fertility and better development outcomes. This makes sense, because the communities with poor educational resources are in the same as the ones with high unmarried births.
This is the information I am talking about...this isn't a "culture" thing, it is a "systematic" thing.”
“Well, you can't project your experience onto others...that is a simple way out of dealing with this issue - the ole "if they only do what I did, they would be okay." I am sure that others would look at your experience and find fault.”
Culture? What culture? This is the same pseudo racist code that Paul Ryan used in his "ill-structured" statements. The simple FACT and TRUTH is that parents of all SES groups struggle with parenting. However, there is a huge gap the effects toward low SES families. Period.”
indyclem on May 5, 2014 at 11:30:50
“72% of all black babies are born out of wedlock with 48% of those being born into poverty. call it what you want but those are the facts and until that changes nothing else will”
You completely missed the poster's point. And, you are comparing apples and oranges here.
Only 5% of the black population are military veterans. What about the other 95%? Well, almost 30% live in poverty; only 18% have a college education; and, 8% are enrolled in college (all 2012 numbers). This, while, nearly one in three African American males aged 20–29 are under some form of criminal justice supervision whether imprisoned, jailed, on parole or probation.
These are all forms of structural, systematic, and institutional bias.”
winehine on May 2, 2014 at 17:31:50
“Not to mention those felons in certain states cannot vote and potentially better their own situation.”
As a parent and former educator, I sincerely thank you for this piece and this reply. I will continue to ask this question to people who want to lay the blame entirely at a parents' feet, especially those at the low end of SES: why do you believe that every parent KNOWS exactly how to be a parent the "right way"? Including knowing exactly what and how to do things that are the best for educating their children? The simple fact is that MOST PARENTS, including those with high SES, don't.”
Uncle Todd on May 2, 2014 at 21:41:46
“Well, I didn't know the 'right way' either, but I did know that it was right to begin by SHOWING UP in the boy's life. When I did, I learned a lot from the other parents who were also searching for the right ways.”
“...and yet, the average number of jobs created has greatly accelerated from 167K per month to 238K per month.
PS: you can't just look at the unemployment number. It is very misleading and doesn't give truth behind the data. For example, did you know that the average has actually risen over the last 12 months? Meaning, the jobs being created are higher paying jobs.”
Let us not forget the Republican governors that cut and slashed their budgets, terminating hundreds of thousands of necessary public workers. This recession is the first time in almost half a century when government didn't do what it was supposed to do for the economy - maintain the public sector.”
murphthesurf3 on May 2, 2014 at 09:54:24
“And the best example of this is Ronald Reagan who increased public employment by 6.1 percent Excellent point Fav”
“"There are mountains of reasons why progress has been slow for black Americans and they all boil down to 2 things, ingrained prejudice and a determination to keep them poor and uneducated better known as institutional racism."
I have been trying (and trying) to reasonable explain this to people for years now. I just had a "conversation" with an opponent to affirmative action programs at our nation's colleges and universities. I couldn't get him to understand the meaning of "historically under-represented", its cause/history, and its effects on modern generations. It is exhausting.