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Take the First Step and Support the President
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 17:09:56 in Politics
“One can also cite the Civil Rights Bill. When it first passed, it was less than what we hoped for, but 2 amendments later and a separate bill for the Voting Rights Act, we finally have what we wanted.
This all or nothing approach makes no sense to me. Life is about compromises and timing to get what you want. Truth is, the votes aren't there for a public option.”
This all or nothing approach makes no sense to me. Life is about compromises and timing to get what you want. Truth is, the votes aren't there for a public option.”
Brad Clyne replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 23:25:35
“The all or nothing approach, especially with 40 Republicans in the Senate marching in lockstep, an insurance company executive caucusing with the Democrats, and 5 conservative Democrats, is infantile.
Those progressives crying out to kill the bill forget the Republicans, Independents and conservative and moderate Democrats who joined them in electing the President. They also forget that we elected a President who is on record as being in support of a single payer plan.
The votes weren't there for single payer, they aren't there for a public option, but, the bill may leave conference with better controls over the insurance companies and less Stupak language.
Hopefully the progressives who play chess will understand and those who play checkers will stomp their feet and come back to the only party that will have them when we need their votes. And more important, when they need our votes.”
Those progressives crying out to kill the bill forget the Republicans, Independents and conservative and moderate Democrats who joined them in electing the President. They also forget that we elected a President who is on record as being in support of a single payer plan.
The votes weren't there for single payer, they aren't there for a public option, but, the bill may leave conference with better controls over the insurance companies and less Stupak language.
Hopefully the progressives who play chess will understand and those who play checkers will stomp their feet and come back to the only party that will have them when we need their votes. And more important, when they need our votes.”
tralbry replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 20:06:13
“All or nothing would be single payer. That wasn't even on the table due to BO's lack of leadership. You STILL don't seem to get that this bill does HARM long-term. It reforms nothing. Some people will benefit, other will suffer, health Insurance Execs will profit beyond anything that the free market would have given them.”
rwe2late replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 19:51:02
“Although the Civil Rights Bill may have been less than you hoped for,
this Health Bill is nothing like we hoped for.
Since you like analogies,
This Health Bill is like passing a compromised Civil Rights Bill supporting "separate but equal" on the hope it could later be "reformed".
or supporting a Voting Rights Bill legalizing poll taxes on the grounds it was "flawed",
but could be improved later.”
this Health Bill is nothing like we hoped for.
Since you like analogies,
This Health Bill is like passing a compromised Civil Rights Bill supporting "separate but equal" on the hope it could later be "reformed".
or supporting a Voting Rights Bill legalizing poll taxes on the grounds it was "flawed",
but could be improved later.”
masher replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 19:46:28
“But they are for a mandate that will no force you to buy a corporations product? That's fine but don't call it reform. Its corporate communism. Call it what it is.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:38:21 in Politics
“It got through. I like it.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:37:07 in Politics
“The media didn't ignore Kucinich, Nader, McKinney. Nader was a spoiler in 2000 and was part of a few debates. So was Kucinich in past elections. Truth is, they didn't get the votes to garner attention. People don't want them in positions of power outside of the state and local level. PERIOD.
Why can't you all accept that and be thankful that there are progressive voices out there. Don't blame Kucinich on the media. And certainly don't blame Nader. I remember when Nader was an advocate for consumer rights . . . I wish he'd get back to that.”
Why can't you all accept that and be thankful that there are progressive voices out there. Don't blame Kucinich on the media. And certainly don't blame Nader. I remember when Nader was an advocate for consumer rights . . . I wish he'd get back to that.”
RandVictims replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 13:13:29
“Were you asleep the past 12 years? Did you not pay any attention when Kucinich was banned from aired debates? Tell me when the MSM EVER did a serious profile on him. In fact, the only I can remember (being a news junkie since 95) is the MSM ridiculing him for his beliefs in UFO encounters.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:35:01 in Politics
“Fanned and faved. Great post.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:33:55 in Politics
“Cite the poll that says progressives where the base of Obama's campaign machine.
Cite the poll that says in the Democratic party , moderates (of which I am one) are in the minority in the Dem party. Independents are on the upswing and increasing in numbers - which I will never be because I will never vote Rethuglican - but I have yet to see a poll that says progressives are the majority of the Dem party.
Every time I have ask progressives to cite the polls of which they speak and not one has ever cited a poll. NOT ONE. And I've been asking the question for months now.
So, I will give you the same opportunity. CITE THE POLL TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.
I'm waiting . . .”
Cite the poll that says in the Democratic party , moderates (of which I am one) are in the minority in the Dem party. Independents are on the upswing and increasing in numbers - which I will never be because I will never vote Rethuglican - but I have yet to see a poll that says progressives are the majority of the Dem party.
Every time I have ask progressives to cite the polls of which they speak and not one has ever cited a poll. NOT ONE. And I've been asking the question for months now.
So, I will give you the same opportunity. CITE THE POLL TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIM.
I'm waiting . . .”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:21:38 in Politics
“Great post. And such an adult way of viewing the world and its challenges.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:20:55 in Politics
“Speak for yourself. There are clubs of Obama supporters in high schools across this country who can't wait to vote for him in 2012 when they become of age.
By the way, if you no longer support him, then, please change your avatar.”
By the way, if you no longer support him, then, please change your avatar.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:19:52 in Politics
“How do you know what was said privately? Just curious.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:18:19 in Politics
“This is the first time I ever heard of people being confused by the President's Afghanistan decision or his decision making process. I've heard of people agreeing and disagreeing, but confused? Speaks volumes about you, now doesn't it, Ann?”
AnnfromCA replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:26:13
“Gates and Clinton had to clarify for over a week! The media was confused.
Is there a date or is it contingent on the war?
You probably missed the story.”
Is there a date or is it contingent on the war?
You probably missed the story.”
Leadership, Obama Style, and the Looming Losses in 2010: Pretty Speeches, Compromised Values, and the Quest for the Lowest Common Denominator
Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 12:11:03 in Politics
“Great post. What progressives don't understand is, their views and style of governing are in the minority.”
shamroc02 replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:18:00
“Exactly.”
Glenn1441 replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:16:55
“It's about Independents, who carry elections, and signficant to Obama, it is certainly about Progressives, who were the engine of his campaign machine (and if you dispute that, your head is in the sand).
Recent polls -- all known and leading polls (the very polls that we gladly relied upon during the election) save but one -- point out that it is individuals like the two of you who are fast becoming the minority.”
Recent polls -- all known and leading polls (the very polls that we gladly relied upon during the election) save but one -- point out that it is individuals like the two of you who are fast becoming the minority.”
pragmaticdallasite replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 12:15:28
“How so?”
President Obama Loses His Base: He Just Ran Out of Slack
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 11:34:35 in Politics
“He hasn't sold me out. You see, I understand politics and politicians. I understand how social security, medicare and civil rights laws were passed and amended over the years to get what was needed.
I donated money to his campaign - but I COULD afford it. Why would you give money for something you can't afford. Giving of time makes more sense if you can't afford a monetary contribution.
The fact that you were had such poor judgment that you would give money that you couldn't afford speaks volumes about you.
And if you know now - 3 years before the next presidential election whether he can win, then you need to use those skills to get money for yourself.”
I donated money to his campaign - but I COULD afford it. Why would you give money for something you can't afford. Giving of time makes more sense if you can't afford a monetary contribution.
The fact that you were had such poor judgment that you would give money that you couldn't afford speaks volumes about you.
And if you know now - 3 years before the next presidential election whether he can win, then you need to use those skills to get money for yourself.”
President Obama Loses His Base: He Just Ran Out of Slack
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 07:42:08 in Politics
“Justin - You are spot on in your post. Without a Dem president, 58 Dems in the Senate and a majority in the House, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. The shrills from the left are no different than those from the right.
Fanned and faved.”
Fanned and faved.”
President Obama Loses His Base: He Just Ran Out of Slack
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 07:39:06 in Politics
“Great post. Sometimes the left can be just as dangerous as the right in over exaggerations. The bill is mixed with good and bad. We all know that. I expected it to be just that. And I also expect the bill to be perfected over the years with amendments.
People forget that we are only having this debate because we have a Dem president. If we had a Repub president this wouldn't even be on the table for discussion.”
People forget that we are only having this debate because we have a Dem president. If we had a Repub president this wouldn't even be on the table for discussion.”
President Obama Loses His Base: He Just Ran Out of Slack
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 07:35:24 in Politics
“Great post. Insightful. Fanned and faved.”
President Obama Loses His Base: He Just Ran Out of Slack
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 07:34:27 in Politics
“Artile: Why did the White House go after a former governor, yet never call out sitting senators Sen. Blanche Lincoln (D-Ark.), Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.) and Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) for their incessant obstruction?
Because they don't need Dean's vote on anything, that's why. DUH!
Lost his base? Really? And he can't win in 2012 without progressives, right? WRONG.”
Because they don't need Dean's vote on anything, that's why. DUH!
Lost his base? Really? And he can't win in 2012 without progressives, right? WRONG.”
AnotherunhappyDemocrat replied on Dec 19, 2009 at 10:44:57
“If enough progressive desert him in 2012, he can't win, as we are indeed his base. And he needs to know that next year. Whereas I still think the Republicans won't be able to pull off a repeat of 1994, with the way things are going, I could be wrong. And even if the Democrats maintain control of Congress, they will most likely have weakened majorities in both Houses, making it even more difficult to get things done.
Your base = your most dedicated volunteers. Alienate them the way Obama has, then who will volunteer for you the next time around?”
Your base = your most dedicated volunteers. Alienate them the way Obama has, then who will volunteer for you the next time around?”
clevelandchick replied on Dec 19, 2009 at 09:37:52
“He can't win because he's sold out everyone..
I campaigned for him and gave him money I could ill afford. I won't do it again.”
I campaigned for him and gave him money I could ill afford. I won't do it again.”
HuffPost's Roy Sekoff Grades The Grade Obama Gave Himself
Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 11:00:26 in Politics
“Nothing egocentric about it at all.”
HuffPost's Roy Sekoff Grades The Grade Obama Gave Himself
Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 11:00:11 in Politics
“i don't think his answer has anything to do with his ego or power. And I don't think he Ditched us. Some of us weren't listening. We heard what we wanted to hear.”
HuffPost's Roy Sekoff Grades The Grade Obama Gave Himself
Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 08:16:54 in Politics
“I couldn't believe Obama answered that question. I'm a former PR person and when he answered it I said to my husband (who is a journalist), there's tomorrow's headline. Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. Don't grade yourself - let others do that while you focus on governing.”
jhamm1 replied on Dec 15, 2009 at 09:12:46
“Yeah, there's definitely something egocentric about applying yourself a grade, particularly when all-too-clearly balanced about between one's extremely high opinion of themselves and an attempt to feign modesty by dipping just below the maximum value.”
Billie replied on Dec 15, 2009 at 08:33:50
“That's what I thought, too. I hope I'm wrong, but it seems like the power is going to Obama's head. It's like we brought him to the big dance and he ditched us.”
Can the Obama White House Course-Correct in Time to Avoid Hitting the 2010 Iceberg?
Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 08:14:59 in Politics
“Dems are the problem. When are you going to start blaming them?”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:49:27 in Politics
“You're right. . . sometimes people are just wrong. Did you consider you could be wrong? You think you're right. Obama thinks he's right. That's the point. . . there is no right or wrong answer to this dilemma.”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:46:32 in Politics
“I live in VA. McDonnell will run in 2016 and not 2012. And once the women in this country get even a hint of what was in his college thesis - when he was married, with children and 34 years of age - they won't vote for him, but he still has a chance.”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:24:59 in Politics
“He also campaigned on escalating the war in Afghanistan. So, what's the answer?”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:23:59 in Politics
“But, what about Obama campaigning to escalate the war in Afghanistan? He did this before he even secured the Dem nomination. Was he obsessed with the right wing of this country when he campaigned on that promise?
It's as though people weren't listening to him at all.”
It's as though people weren't listening to him at all.”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:22:43 in Politics
“But, what's your answer about the nuclear weapons in Pakistan? Our NATO allies and other countries are helping with soldiers and money, but what about those pesky nuclear weapons that will surely be used on us. What is the answer for that predicament?”
sideboom replied on Nov 29, 2009 at 19:40:56
“pakistan's nukes are no problem for america, but any arab/muslim country is considered by israel to be a threat to zion /jew expansion in mid east, continued building of settlements (900 more being built east of jeourslem ) for american retired jews having made their fortune and holding dual citizenship feel strong in having americans fight and die for land stolen from palestinens and awarded by god to his choosen people.”
Sunday Roundup
Commented Nov 29, 2009 at 18:21:16 in Politics
“Actually, the greater goal isn't to prop up a weak gov't (though that is part of it). The greater goal is to keep nuclear weapons from the hands of enemies who will surely use it on our country.
How do we solve THAT problem? I don't have an answer, but I know bringing the troops home is a great, feel good idea, but is that really the answer to the GREATER problem?”
How do we solve THAT problem? I don't have an answer, but I know bringing the troops home is a great, feel good idea, but is that really the answer to the GREATER problem?”
OldKnute replied on Nov 29, 2009 at 20:12:00
“Yes,, ckfan, as a matter of fact, I do know what to do about nuclear waste and weapons, and it involves nothing more difficulty to acquire, than a glass of water.
But it seems, sadly,killing is the current methodology of choice, if not preferred.
All the best, Knute”
But it seems, sadly,killing is the current methodology of choice, if not preferred.
All the best, Knute”
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