clifflyon's Comments (45)
Amtrak Loss Comes To $32 Per Passenger: Study
Commented Oct 27, 2009 at 11:28:37 in Business
“$32.00, a small price to pay as we re-train our car crazed culture to use public transportation. The deluded anti-government, American exceptional shills, the anti-progress rednecks, must be brought to heel.
Once again, we are behind the entire modern world on public transportation. That hurts our economy.”
Once again, we are behind the entire modern world on public transportation. That hurts our economy.”
Obama Open To Individual Mandates But With Robust Hardship Protections
Commented Jun 24, 2009 at 15:38:41 in Politics
“Ditto DestinationsUnknown DITTO!
The educational system by Boob Tube is killing us softly.”
The educational system by Boob Tube is killing us softly.”
Iran Updates (VIDEO): Live-Blogging The Uprising
Commented Jun 17, 2009 at 00:59:21 in World
“IF I may brag a bit. We broke the story about Montazeri on Sunday on a DKOS recommended diary
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/14/742328/-Updated:-Cont:-Farsi-Sources-Latest-News-About-Iran-Coup”
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/14/742328/-Updated:-Cont:-Farsi-Sources-Latest-News-About-Iran-Coup”
HyperInfluential replied on Jun 17, 2009 at 01:51:25
“Good call!”
Iran Election Violence: Ahmadinejad Supporters Reportedly Attack Rival's Campaign Office
Commented Jun 12, 2009 at 21:26:17 in World
Iran Election Violence: Ahmadinejad Supporters Reportedly Attack Rival's Campaign Office
Commented Jun 12, 2009 at 21:25:11 in World
“link to original video. Its flying around the Web. I'm impressed (stunned really) by the bravery of the students.”
Iran Election Violence: Ahmadinejad Supporters Reportedly Attack Rival's Campaign Office
Commented Jun 12, 2009 at 21:21:41 in World
“Sitting here with an Iranian friend who just showed this to me. Its flying around the Web. I'm impressed (stunned really) by the bravery of the students.
This is early today (election day) at Sharrif University in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
The crowd is yelling "Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi."
Then at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' ...LIAR!
Ahmadinejad is the guy in white.”
This is early today (election day) at Sharrif University in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
The crowd is yelling "Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi."
Then at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' ...LIAR!
Ahmadinejad is the guy in white.”
GoodwithWood replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 23:44:32
“There is no evidence in that video that it was Ahmandinejad.”
Iran's Presidential Election: Voters Turn Out In Droves
Commented Jun 12, 2009 at 21:20:57 in World
“Sitting here with an Iranian friend who just showed this to me. Its flying around the Web. I'm impressed (stunned really) by the bravery of the students.
This is early today (election day) at Sharrif University in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
The crowd is yelling "Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi."
Then at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' ...LIAR!
Ahmadinejad is the guy in white.”
This is early today (election day) at Sharrif University in Tehran.
Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
The crowd is yelling "Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi."
Then at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' ...LIAR!
Ahmadinejad is the guy in white.”
HeIsTheOne replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 21:27:22
“That appeared to be very democratic in nature. The right to protest. The change will come from the college students.
What nobody had a shoe to throw?”
What nobody had a shoe to throw?”
donaldw6 replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 21:25:56
“Holy cr@p! They're out of control over there. This feels dangerous.”
Mogamboguru replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 21:24:30
“I am paying tribute to the iranian students.
But in the end, that video may cost them dearly.
Insulted dictators use to take bIood for dinner, to calm their nerves...”
But in the end, that video may cost them dearly.
Insulted dictators use to take bIood for dinner, to calm their nerves...”
Sureyouarent replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 21:23:42
“The people of Iran got a taste of freedom today. I can assure you that not even the Mullahs can quell it.”
Iran's Presidential Election: Voters Turn Out In Droves
Commented Jun 12, 2009 at 17:49:46 in World
“Ahmadinejad Attacked and Jeered at Sharif University on Election Day 6.12.2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
This is election day in Tehran. Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape. They crowd is yelling Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' LIAR!
"Ahmadi Bye Bye!"”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dXxbmwoMxDo
This is election day in Tehran. Ahmadinejad is forced to climb over the top of his car to escape. They crowd is yelling Mousavi, Mousavi, Mousavi at the end, they are yelling 'doorogh gou!' LIAR!
"Ahmadi Bye Bye!"”
Lavafalls replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 18:03:21
“Thought sandra bullock supported somebody here.”
Lavafalls replied on Jun 12, 2009 at 17:56:32
“like eggs at the bush motorcade”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:47:52 in Home
“They really do. Whenever I post ANYTHING about gun control, they put out the word, and the freaks come running.
http://ingunowners.com/forums/politics_laws_and_2nd_amendment/29592-bruohaha_about_t-shirt_depicting_guns_worn_by_child_to_school.html#post324721”
http://ingunowners.com/forums/politics_laws_and_2nd_amendment/29592-bruohaha_about_t-shirt_depicting_guns_worn_by_child_to_school.html#post324721”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:37:05 in Home
“No kidding. This was posted on my blog last night.
I am the wife of Michael Z. Williamson referenced in the above blog. I am neither helpless, nor needing defended. That is because I can shoot a gun. And after I run out of ammo, I can bludgeon someone to death with it. If someone threatens me or anyone I care about, I intend to see that they are unable to do so again. I prefer nonviolent means - I have a dislike of cleaning blood out of the carpet and brains off of the walls. However, I will use the means I deem necessary. As for the attention this issue deserves; this will be my only post. I have more things to do that watch people douse themselves with metaphorical gasoline and run around hoping to catch someone else on fire. People who are too scared to discuss the issue rationaly and listen to facts are too scared to listen or be rational. I have a life. I suggest that some of the people on this forum need to get one themselves. And yes Virgina, I really do exist.
http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/#comment-133160”
I am the wife of Michael Z. Williamson referenced in the above blog. I am neither helpless, nor needing defended. That is because I can shoot a gun. And after I run out of ammo, I can bludgeon someone to death with it. If someone threatens me or anyone I care about, I intend to see that they are unable to do so again. I prefer nonviolent means - I have a dislike of cleaning blood out of the carpet and brains off of the walls. However, I will use the means I deem necessary. As for the attention this issue deserves; this will be my only post. I have more things to do that watch people douse themselves with metaphorical gasoline and run around hoping to catch someone else on fire. People who are too scared to discuss the issue rationaly and listen to facts are too scared to listen or be rational. I have a life. I suggest that some of the people on this forum need to get one themselves. And yes Virgina, I really do exist.
http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/#comment-133160”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:34:57 in Home
“The Founding Fathers who authored the Second Amendment owned other human beings who were not included by that very Amendment. In fact they were talking about State militia, not individuals.
At the time, the average American redneck couldn't buy a gun that could spray 60 rounds in 15 seconds for the price of a old used buggy.
To suggest that their intent was to subordinate public safety over the de-facto gun rights you have today would be a terrible distortion of reality.
You guys lost the last 2 elections for good reason and if you don’t back off you will find your circle jerk has become a circular firing squad not unlike the one that is destroying the republican party as I write this.”
At the time, the average American redneck couldn't buy a gun that could spray 60 rounds in 15 seconds for the price of a old used buggy.
To suggest that their intent was to subordinate public safety over the de-facto gun rights you have today would be a terrible distortion of reality.
You guys lost the last 2 elections for good reason and if you don’t back off you will find your circle jerk has become a circular firing squad not unlike the one that is destroying the republican party as I write this.”
Jason Hollis replied on Apr 12, 2009 at 12:59:05
“Surprise! Most of the people correcting you are your fellow liberals and Democrats.
Myself, for example. I'm so blue I'm indigo, and the anti-defense anti-freedom rhetoric being spouted by the people on this forum nauseates me.”
Myself, for example. I'm so blue I'm indigo, and the anti-defense anti-freedom rhetoric being spouted by the people on this forum nauseates me.”
EgyptianMysterySchool replied on Apr 04, 2009 at 13:07:00
“I voted for BHO - the only time I've voted since Bush and his family stole the election from Al Gore. So I didn't lose anything - stop making assumptions based on prejudice.
If you think that invoking slavery will sway the black guy you're highly mistaken - one has nothing to do w/ the other.
The rights of an individual human being is totally different than the rights of human beings to own individual property.
Of course your next statement will be slaves were considered property at the time. Only problem is time has proven this idea to be false, a human being isn't property. Time, on the other hand, hasn't proven a gun to be anything more than property.”
If you think that invoking slavery will sway the black guy you're highly mistaken - one has nothing to do w/ the other.
The rights of an individual human being is totally different than the rights of human beings to own individual property.
Of course your next statement will be slaves were considered property at the time. Only problem is time has proven this idea to be false, a human being isn't property. Time, on the other hand, hasn't proven a gun to be anything more than property.”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:24:17 in Home
“They're all here. http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/#comment-133197
guns kill so do cars. should we ban cars?
Criminals will always get guns.
More guns = less crime
blah blah blah”
guns kill so do cars. should we ban cars?
Criminals will always get guns.
More guns = less crime
blah blah blah”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:19:58 in Home
“What I would actually like to see, is for all you responsible, passionate, law-abiding, piece-packing-people (PPPs) to arm yourselves to the teeth fully before we implement new really strict gun laws.
We should require vigorous annual gun registration and safety checks. Every registered is physically inspected and confirmed by serial number, each year (just like a car).
If a gun goes missing, all your guns are confiscated and there is an investigation to determine what happened to the gun and you must satisfy a magistrate that you really are a responsible gun owner before you get your guns back.
At the same time, the government subsidizes a gun buy back (and amnesty) program run through licensed gun dealers. Over time, illegal guns would trickle back into the system. Most criminals and drug addicts are desperate for cash at some point and will turn them in for cash, no questions asked.
The next thing you know, people are stealing unregistered and illegal guns just for the cash. Pretty soon, the supply of illegal guns begins shrinking and their value go up and up to the point where mere possession of an illegal gun implies you are a serious criminal with bad intentions.
You guys always say criminals will guns no matter what. Maybe not. If an illegal gun costs $500 - $5000 bucks, read http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/ge-7/#comment-133197
I'm not spamming, need help.”
We should require vigorous annual gun registration and safety checks. Every registered is physically inspected and confirmed by serial number, each year (just like a car).
If a gun goes missing, all your guns are confiscated and there is an investigation to determine what happened to the gun and you must satisfy a magistrate that you really are a responsible gun owner before you get your guns back.
At the same time, the government subsidizes a gun buy back (and amnesty) program run through licensed gun dealers. Over time, illegal guns would trickle back into the system. Most criminals and drug addicts are desperate for cash at some point and will turn them in for cash, no questions asked.
The next thing you know, people are stealing unregistered and illegal guns just for the cash. Pretty soon, the supply of illegal guns begins shrinking and their value go up and up to the point where mere possession of an illegal gun implies you are a serious criminal with bad intentions.
You guys always say criminals will guns no matter what. Maybe not. If an illegal gun costs $500 - $5000 bucks, read http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/ge-7/#comment-133197
I'm not spamming, need help.”
letsbepeaceful replied on Apr 04, 2009 at 12:05:29
“I totally agree with you about annual registration - with physical observation - of guns of all kinds.
And that anyone purchasing a gun must have passed a licensing exam first, just like with automobiles (even though the purpose of cars is not to kill something, we still require them to be registered and the drivers to be licensed).
And a no-questions-asked reward for turning in unregistered guns, yes.”
And that anyone purchasing a gun must have passed a licensing exam first, just like with automobiles (even though the purpose of cars is not to kill something, we still require them to be registered and the drivers to be licensed).
And a no-questions-asked reward for turning in unregistered guns, yes.”
dawlishgal replied on Apr 04, 2009 at 11:37:50
“What about automatic weapons....this killer had one, and so ambulances and medics couldn't even get to the wounded police officers? It took three hours for somebody to talk the guy into surrendering, and his weapon had a range of A CITY MILE. Is that an "abberation": that is OK with you? It is that thinking that any kind of gun control at all is some kind of slippery slope that keeps the NRA in money, and manages to terrify the decent people in congress (if there are any left who don't depend on the NRA's dirty money). Why should anybody be subject to the craziness of a disturbed person WITH an automatic weapon just because a group refuses to allow any kind of control all, and manages to buy our congress with the money from these hostile nutcases who buy into the slippery slope crapola?”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:15:14 in Home
“Sorry about the typos.
I think HALF the gun lobby is over there.”
I think HALF the gun lobby is over there.”
dawlishgal replied on Apr 04, 2009 at 11:39:28
“Bingo....they must have some kind of emergency email procedure that brings out their bloodthirsty members.”
RICHARD POPLAWSKI, Pittsburgh Gunman, Kills 3 Police Officers
Commented Apr 04, 2009 at 11:11:07 in Home
“We are having a raging debate with the pro-gun freak lobby at this very moment at
http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/#comment-133197
I think have the gun lobby is over there. The NRA like the Republican party has shot themselves in the foot by perpetuating extreme arguments (extremely bad).”
http://oneutah.org/2009/03/26/parent-uses-9yo-son-to-promote-guns/comment-page-7/#comment-133197
I think have the gun lobby is over there. The NRA like the Republican party has shot themselves in the foot by perpetuating extreme arguments (extremely bad).”
inorbit replied on Apr 04, 2009 at 11:29:26
“There's no use arguing with those people.
They seem to think it is ok for any nut case who wants to get ahold of powerful weapons like AK47s, and use them. This is completely nonsensical. I have no problem with people who want to own guns for hunting and target shooting. I even have no problem with people who work in a dangerous profession or live in a dangerous neighborhood keeping a licensed lower caliber handgun in their home or business for self-protection.
I do have a problem with just anyone being able to obtain an AK47. I don't think that is unreasonable!!!”
They seem to think it is ok for any nut case who wants to get ahold of powerful weapons like AK47s, and use them. This is completely nonsensical. I have no problem with people who want to own guns for hunting and target shooting. I even have no problem with people who work in a dangerous profession or live in a dangerous neighborhood keeping a licensed lower caliber handgun in their home or business for self-protection.
I do have a problem with just anyone being able to obtain an AK47. I don't think that is unreasonable!!!”
Tim DeChristopher, Land Auction Prankster, Charged With Felonies
Commented Apr 02, 2009 at 17:11:53 in Green
“Please join www.bidder70.org and show your support for Tim's brave act.”
Tim DeChristopher, Land Auction Prankster, Charged With Felonies
Commented Apr 02, 2009 at 12:15:26 in Green
“This is of course a politically motivated indictment. US Attorney (Utah) Brett Tolman was a Bush, Orrin Hatch boy and will not be employed much longer in his present job (hopefully).
He has indicated he will run for Jim Matheson's (D-UT) seat or the new 4th district pending re-gerrymandering.
Please join www.bidder70.org and show your support for Tim's brave act.”
He has indicated he will run for Jim Matheson's (D-UT) seat or the new 4th district pending re-gerrymandering.
Please join www.bidder70.org and show your support for Tim's brave act.”
Obama Vs. Gore? Coal Debate Heats Up (VIDEO)
Commented Feb 05, 2009 at 11:24:42 in Green
“Gore called for civil disobendience but seems unwilling to 'walk the talk'
We need more Tim DeChristophers www.bidder70.orgg) willing to risk prison to stop the insanity.
I was talking to Tim yesterday after his press conference. If he isn't charged, he wants to use the $100k raised to help others do civil disobedience and provide legal resources.
If you are thinking about real action, we are organizing through www.PeacefulUprising.org and looking to coordinate with partners and networks with lots of feet on the ground already.
Thanks!”
We need more Tim DeChristophers www.bidder70.orgg) willing to risk prison to stop the insanity.
I was talking to Tim yesterday after his press conference. If he isn't charged, he wants to use the $100k raised to help others do civil disobedience and provide legal resources.
If you are thinking about real action, we are organizing through www.PeacefulUprising.org and looking to coordinate with partners and networks with lots of feet on the ground already.
Thanks!”
Chopin replied on Feb 05, 2009 at 15:08:50
“Civil disobedience against social injustice brings attention to the cause of justice. Like civil rights and racial equality, the issues are relatively clear and easy for most people to understand at the visceral and emotional levels, and take stands.
Civil disobedience in a more complex case of resource utilization, such as coal technology versus green renewable energies, the issues are not immediately clear and obvious at the visceral level. Therefore it is not as effective as a tool of persuasion. In many instances, the vested commercial interests succeed in public misinformation, with the active or quiet connivance of the mass media to muddy up the issues and arguments, and marginalize the participants. I question if the advocates are not using the wrong ineffective tools for the job of patient persuasion of public opinion. Sometimes it takes more than raw emotional courage to advance a just cause.”
Civil disobedience in a more complex case of resource utilization, such as coal technology versus green renewable energies, the issues are not immediately clear and obvious at the visceral level. Therefore it is not as effective as a tool of persuasion. In many instances, the vested commercial interests succeed in public misinformation, with the active or quiet connivance of the mass media to muddy up the issues and arguments, and marginalize the participants. I question if the advocates are not using the wrong ineffective tools for the job of patient persuasion of public opinion. Sometimes it takes more than raw emotional courage to advance a just cause.”
Environmentalist Punked Bush Administration, Hopes To Save Utah Land
Commented Jan 07, 2009 at 11:39:25 in Green
“I want to thank everyone for donating. As important however is converting Tim's action into renewed interest in civil-disobedience generally.
That we we called the website http://www.Bidder70.org and not Tim DeChristopher.
Please go there, join the portal and publish at will. The portal is on the new http://www.ManyOne.net platform too which is an exceptionally cool free content management/publishing system.
Build your own portal there. I'll give free lifetime subscription (no ads) anyone who builds a thoughtful portal. Just send me the link to cliff.lyon'at' corp.manyone dot net
Offer good through this Monday!
Thanks
Cliff”
That we we called the website http://www.Bidder70.org and not Tim DeChristopher.
Please go there, join the portal and publish at will. The portal is on the new http://www.ManyOne.net platform too which is an exceptionally cool free content management/publishing system.
Build your own portal there. I'll give free lifetime subscription (no ads) anyone who builds a thoughtful portal. Just send me the link to cliff.lyon'at' corp.manyone dot net
Offer good through this Monday!
Thanks
Cliff”
Tim DeChristopher Throws Utah Oil And Gas Drilling Leases Auction Into Chaos
Commented Dec 21, 2008 at 19:28:19 in Green
“Please go thank Tim for his brave act of civil disobedience at:
http://www.oneutah.org
Please also donate to his legal defense fund. Charges will be leveled tomorrow.
Thanks
Cliff”
http://www.oneutah.org
Please also donate to his legal defense fund. Charges will be leveled tomorrow.
Thanks
Cliff”
Chumleysmom replied on Dec 21, 2008 at 19:35:25
“Does NRDC have his back on this?”
Sarah Palin On Flute: Watch Her Beauty Pageant Talent (VIDEO)
Commented Oct 01, 2008 at 17:00:58 in Politics
“Almost unbearable for anyone with a decent 'ear'”
AmandaBC replied on Oct 01, 2008 at 17:25:37
“Almost?”
seenitall replied on Oct 01, 2008 at 17:23:40
“god, she was worse than an elementry school band...she should have gone with clogging.”
Republican National Convention Ratings: John McCain Speech Ties Barack Obama's
Commented Sep 06, 2008 at 11:17:08 in Media
“Because the millions of us in the netroots watched the 'pub' convention. I watched it twice (and puked each time).
...We need to see the carnage after 8 long years. We crave it.
On the hand. Republicans can't bear to watch.
I believe just as long-time republicans did not watch, they will also stay home in November.
....Still haven't seen a McCain yard sign in Utah, but I've reloaded my car three times in three weeks with Obama signs. Neighbors I've never met have begun to come by the house to get them.
I think the early blue bag-ish ones with become collectors items.”
...We need to see the carnage after 8 long years. We crave it.
On the hand. Republicans can't bear to watch.
I believe just as long-time republicans did not watch, they will also stay home in November.
....Still haven't seen a McCain yard sign in Utah, but I've reloaded my car three times in three weeks with Obama signs. Neighbors I've never met have begun to come by the house to get them.
I think the early blue bag-ish ones with become collectors items.”
Apollo Astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, Claims UFO Cover Up
Commented Jul 25, 2008 at 12:26:58 in Home
“I must say hoopesaz, your dismissal of the evidence based upon desperately bad logic is, for those of us who have done the work, a clear indication that you have not done the work.”
CrisOmg replied on Jul 25, 2008 at 13:25:30
“Maybe hoopesaz just uses different criteria to qualify something as "evidence" than you do.”
Apollo Astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, Claims UFO Cover Up
Commented Jul 25, 2008 at 11:47:25 in Home
“Marlyn,
Your denial is dependent on the speed of travel. If it possible to travel faster than the speed of light, then what do you say?
Your denial is also dependent on the idea that we are the most intelligent life form. This of course would require only an average level of human arrogance.”
Your denial is dependent on the speed of travel. If it possible to travel faster than the speed of light, then what do you say?
Your denial is also dependent on the idea that we are the most intelligent life form. This of course would require only an average level of human arrogance.”
StarkRavingNakedEmperor replied on Jul 26, 2008 at 05:51:47
“LOL! (Well done!)”
Apollo Astronaut, Edgar Mitchell, Claims UFO Cover Up
Commented Jul 25, 2008 at 11:43:53 in Home
“I never paid much attention to the UFO stuff until I went to work for Joe Firmage and ManyOne. In the process of raising several million in capital investment the subject of Joe's involvement in UFOlogy kept coming up with some investors.
So one day I decided to investigate for myself. It took me about 2 hours and 50 or so videos on YouTube to become convinced.
There is no possible way that the now thousands of videos just in the past several years are all hoaxes. And the deeper you go, the more obvious it becomes.
Much of the gov't records being released include HUNDREDS of thousands of events of radar computer data tracking objects traveling at speeds of up to 17,000 mph, FAR beyond the speed capabilities of any flying machines know to man.
This undisputed and indisputable evidence is by itself, sufficient to conclude that we are not alone.
So, what now?”
So one day I decided to investigate for myself. It took me about 2 hours and 50 or so videos on YouTube to become convinced.
There is no possible way that the now thousands of videos just in the past several years are all hoaxes. And the deeper you go, the more obvious it becomes.
Much of the gov't records being released include HUNDREDS of thousands of events of radar computer data tracking objects traveling at speeds of up to 17,000 mph, FAR beyond the speed capabilities of any flying machines know to man.
This undisputed and indisputable evidence is by itself, sufficient to conclude that we are not alone.
So, what now?”
StarkRavingNakedEmperor replied on Jul 26, 2008 at 03:39:57
“Excellent! You did your homework! What do we do now? Keep telling your truth and what you have learned. Join MUFON and work to pressure the US government for full disclosure. They need to understand that it is stupid to leave the people in ignorance as ignorance will breed fear, misunderstanding, over reaction and chaos upon mass first contact. They need to pull back the laughter curtain and quit portraying alien contact as some kind of horror show. It is important for the people to be mentally prepared beforehand with the knowledge that we are not alone. They need to tell people that alien contact does not need to negate anyone's religious beliefs. I believe the aliens mean us no harm. Had they wanted to harm us, we would have already been harmed--our technology is so rudimentary. I think they are observing, wondering if we will wake up in time to survive this end of petroleum, the nuclear age and global climate change. We are an interesting text book case--of how not to do things! We are at the friction point between human adolescence and responsible adulthood. Will they interfere to help us? I think we have to solve these problems on our own.”
infinity replied on Jul 25, 2008 at 23:02:40
“Consider the folks in Salem in 1692 who truly believed there were evil witches among them who had the ability to fly on broomsticks. It's generally referred to as mass hysteria but there is a theory that a portion of the grain crop spoiled and provide the townies some hallucinogenics”
OkieIntellectual replied on Jul 25, 2008 at 15:22:11
“Actually every rocket that slings something into orbit has to reach over 17,500MPH, and the Shuttle reenters from orbit right around 17K MPH, so its not really beyond current technology. Even so, yeah there is a preponderance of evidence that suggests UFOs are advanced non-terrestrial entities.”
RTIII replied on Jul 25, 2008 at 14:44:33
“Your comment about 17,000 mph is just plain wrong.
The X-15 is capable of that. So is the Shuttle - which reenters at 25,000 mph. Get your facts straight to be more credible.
.”
The X-15 is capable of that. So is the Shuttle - which reenters at 25,000 mph. Get your facts straight to be more credible.
.”
sisterdebmac replied on Jul 25, 2008 at 13:41:05
“Joe Firmage is an amazing, brilliant man. All you really need to do is listen to him talk and you begin to undertand that something has been going on for a VERY long time. What's Joe up to these days anyway? I thought about him recently and went looking for an update on his activites. Nothing new for a long time...”


