“But, who has the right to tell a student they have to go to a vocational school?
Many students struggle with learning, this doesn't mean they can't learn. Some that struggle in Middle School find great success in High School. Options need to be there, but nothing forced.
Starting more interventions in Elementary Schools will bridge these gaps. Yes, there is a lot wrong with the system and maybe I'm to optimistic to give up now. A lot of good changes are happening now with RTI (Response to Intervention). I think we need to see how programs like these can be utilized more.
Also, I think every school needs an after hours program. Paid for by the state. This will help with lack of parent involvement. It will give students a safe place to be after school and offer help with academics.”
“All children deserve the right for a great education. No child should ever be told that they are not worthy of "our time". I'm sure even you would agree especially if you had a special needs child or some other form of disability.
I agree that we need more vocational training. In my community the CTC is a vocational training school that also offers classes for future teachers. It is very popular and kids love it. We need more of these schools so that students can take advantage of this.
Too many kids are pushed forward and this is a major issue. Also, too many kids are held back. This is the problem I face on a daily basis. I have a classroom of 28 students. These students range in 3rd grade reading levels through 12th grade. More leveled classes are going to be necessary to make head way. We are told to differentiate assignment, which I do, but I'm still pulled into 5 directions in a 40 minute class period. I try hard to meet with students to give intervention, but it is a daily struggle to do the right thing for my students. So far I've been very successful, but I am exhausted.”
heian120 on Dec 10, 2013 at 10:43:37
“I agree with much of what you say but to allow kids who have not learned to move forward hurts them but more importantly, the kids who want to learn and the whole system. Under that scenario as you know no child gets a "great education". It cannot be done and I sympathize with your predicament.
the system is broken and needs radical reform. countries like Germany do it right. Only kids clearly capable of meeting college standards are allowed to go to high School. all others get good vocational training.
we have been talking about this for decades and its not getting better.”
“No, but when I call home the issue is gone. The two parent "my child is special, we don't discipline, they can make their own decisions" are the largest issue.
They know that even if they get suspended mom and dad will think nothing of it.
Now, a single parent home means that during that suspension I will be written a letter of apology at the very least.”
carjdcpa on Dec 7, 2013 at 21:15:04
“You don't agree "The kids I have behavior issues from usually come from a single parent home"? ”
“Very true. I'm a lucky teacher. I love my job, I look forward to every day. The kids are amazing! You always have a few. The kids aren't as the issue. I find a way to reach these kids exceptionally well, learned from the best (my dad). I just see them giving up based on their parents.
Love the "what's your favorite flavor?" I also use "trade places with me, what do you want to know and what do you think I should know?"”
“Most of the time these kids don't misbehave they are just low leveled and need additional assistance. It is obvious that there parents show no interest in education. There are only so many hours in the school day and we do what we can.
The kids I have behavior issues from usually come from a single parent home and they will NOT accept any behavior problems. One call home and usually the problem is fixed.”
carjdcpa on Dec 7, 2013 at 15:27:13
“So you agree single parent household kids have disproportionate discipline issues? ”
“I like the pre-test/post-test evaluations. I give the pre-test and after the unit test again. This gives me time to give intervention, vocabulary lessons and enrichment. If my students have trouble showing growth then there should be something said and done.
I don't like the one test mentality. Sitting students down for 2 hours and expecting them to be able to test well is nonsense. This also gives me the opportunity to show that maybe a student didn't show growth, but I completed 3 hours of intervention with this student, gave him leveled work and can show progress with writing samples and vocabulary skills. There is so much more to be done than give tests.”
“I didn't become a teacher to raise other peoples children, but sadly when students come to me and have not eaten since 11:30 the day before you become emothionlally invested. I will never apologize for that. I'm a great teacher because I love my students and they know that when they come to my classroom that they are in a safe and caring and educational environment. But, we have more students every year with mental illnesses that on some days are beyond approach. Parents won't medicate or can't afford medication and or therapy.
Most of the teachers I have come across are Republicans. They were very sad when their new governor tried to take away some of our rights along with the states fire fighters and police force. I am one of the few liberals in my building. I don't want to fix everything. I want my students to be well rounded individuals when they leave my classroom. I want them to be able to get any job that they want. I want them to be productive citizens, which I would think Repubs like you would want since you are always complaining about those who take.”
propackage on Dec 7, 2013 at 22:17:50
“To the first thing, when your student tells you she has not eaten for a day, your first call is to social services, not because it is your choice but it is your obligation. To your second statement, I am tired of the allegded increase in mental illness. Do you know how many parents push for that diagnosis because they don't know how to raise a child? Or this is a way to manipulate a divorce? Parents can afford medical treatment for a child because it is free. In New york state, once a child is deemed to have mental issue his expenses are paid for. For your final statement, I am not a republican, I am a conservative. I believe in our children, I believe in taking care of the elderly, and to some extent the poor. But if you are poor, you have to behave poor. And if you
get caught, long prison terms would work for me”
“I'm very lucky to work in one of the best districts in Ohio.
1. Evaluate me on the fact that ALL of my children show growth from pre-tests/post-tests. Not one test. Evaluate me on the fact that my students are engaged EVERY day from the hours I put into one days worth of lesson plans.
2. Second, getting students interested is a difficult one. It depends on the child. Sometimes students just need to know that someone cares and that makes all the difference in the world. These students come back week after week once they go to the High School and even after graduation. Then you have the kids who don't have any faith in adults and no matter what you say see you as another liar. Sometimes I see these kids out as adults and some thank me and see what I was saying and others have a chip on their shoulder that no matter what we say and do will always be there.
3. We have no parents taking their child out of our schools. We constantly have new students coming in from other districts. I understand parent frustration with some situations, but teachers are not always the issue, but the policies.
4. Union Strikes are another issue. For the past few years we have froze our own pay for the good of the district. Then some districts add hours onto their contracts and change job descriptions to get more out many without getting paid additionally.”
“I agree! I think we are all beating our heads against the wall with this one. We have the wonderful parents who understand what we are trying to achieve. Then we have parents who don't want their child to have any kind of consequence. Then we have the parents who won't call back or come to a conference even when I show up at their door!”
carjdcpa on Dec 6, 2013 at 20:44:06
“Probably the same ones whoes kids misbehave? Should the two types of parents expect their kids school disicipline ratess to be equalized? Does that make sense to you? Or is it offensive? I know it offends me.”
“Let me get a few things straight as a teacher in Ohio:
1. I haven't had a pay raise for three years. I bring home $1396. twice per month. I have a masters degree that I pay for along with my continuing education every 5 years. I also have to pay for my certificate every five years.
2. I do not have a problem with the CC. I do have a problem with mandated testing that influences teachers salaries. I'm all for teachers being held accountable, but a students test results aren't a true factor if I am a good teacher or not. It doesn't take into account the growth that child has had this year or if he's going through problems at home and his mind is elsewhere.
3. Education today would be greatly improved if parents took half the interest in the books as they do the fields. They talked to the teachers about their progress instead of accusing us of picking on their child. We are professionals and know a thing or two about children. Help us help you raise your child.”
heian120 on Dec 9, 2013 at 13:49:10
“The problem is the system makes teachers keep and promote kids that should not be there. the infamous "social promotions" tell it all. we all know it started in the late 60s and that is liberal politicians push through this BS as opposed to real education. and now we have the ridiculous idea that "all kids should go to college" - in other words lets not offer vocational training to the 60-70% who would be better off getting vocational training.
and my problem with the Unions and many teachers is they all KNEW this has been going on for DECADES.....
If parents have no interest in education and the child is holding back the rest WHY is he/she still sitting at a dest in our school system?
“pt3: Days go by, they go to the refrigerator in my garage and what do they see? I tiny token of me taking notice of what they say AND caring enough to take action. My other lures at different points in my life, like now? I have two sons haha. Sucked my own boys in too. Sucked the kids parents in eventually. Rarely do they do things that are fun with their kids. Kids flee their parents. Well, when daily routine means hoops and drinks at my house and their parents are already there havin water, gatorade or if it's Friday a beer, win-win. Got to know the parents, did the same thing. Magically, my 'Fridge has wine coolers (smh) and a few different brands of beer that I don't prefer, but, meh?
After a few months of that and the kid moans they have to go and do homework. I saw, bring it over here if ya want to. If know they dislike math, "I freaking LOVE math! What are you talking about!" Kids an parents are repulsed by the notion. haha I'm an engineer! House, mini fleet of cars, houseboat on Lanier, college? Math, math, math. math.
I effectively sell them on education. It motivates kids and parents.”
Dr Drew on Dec 7, 2013 at 20:14:19
“Pt2: For that family, it took a village all right. Dedicated kids enduring distractions for years - hundreds of kids impacted. The police. Truancy. Many meetings with teachers and principals. The police. Social services. Therapists. Family court.
You want half of the field time? A lot of parents are no shows to that too. Sadly, and I mean this, you have to lower your expectations or it will eat you up. Best you could do and it might not even be appropriate is get to know a kid or two each year, figure out how to connect with them so they believe there is mutual respect and then and only then will they listen to you or believe you and then you could make an attempt to influence their priorities.
And all that is for a kid that's healthy, capable, no major issues. I really do think that's the most effective way to get through to kids. Relationship. One on one. Maybe two kids and you.
I've done it with other neighbor's kids, but I work with straight laced geeks all day, so being around kids was/is different for me after a day of work. I love it and I'm incredibly patient. Literally years of foundation. Basketball hoop, lawn chairs, Gatorade and very subtle questioning. One question, every few times I see them. Starts with "what's your favorite flavor?"”
Dr Drew on Dec 7, 2013 at 19:56:47
“Pt1: Dude, no joke, change careers, do whatever it takes. Teach in corporations or college. You nailed the problem - home life. You can't make people care about something they don't care about. If you can't stand golf. I can tell you why it's great and about the grass, the relationships, competition, it's outdoors and serene all I want, but if you don't care, you won't do it. Just like 80-90% of the parents of your students. I've heard people who believe they are great parents be informed that their kid is a little behind in reading in 5th grade and just a little 10 minutes with their kid every 2-3 days would make their whole future education be so much more enjoyable and rewarding. The parent vented to me saying, "They have my kid 8 hours a day for all but Summer break. My kid hates school and now they want ME to do their job! IN THE SUMMER! I'm not doing that! I'm not going to make my kid miserable!"
That was a decade ago. It did not end well. BTW I like the family, the parents etc. Really nice, but they literally think any effort on their part is too much. "If my kid isn't in the mood to do homework, I'm not going to for them. They wouldn't learn anyway with that attitude."
propackage on Dec 7, 2013 at 08:17:52
“Yes let the community raise your children. The therapists, the social workers and the teachers. How about all you people mind your business and teach the subjects you are paid to teach and let parents raise their children and you raise yours. if they misbehave report them to the principal and let them get detention or whatever punishment is appropriate. Teachers are liberals and they want to fix everything. Do the thing you are paid for. As I am a machinist, almost every 20 year old that comes through my door does not know that .500 = 1/2 and inch. But they know that and a lot more the next day.”
indiecratublican on Dec 6, 2013 at 20:13:53
“So, how do you suggest teachers be evaluated? -Because there has to be some form of evaluation to gauge whether or not teachers are getting the job done. Additionally, we know all parents aren't interested in their children's education- but so what? You're still a teacher. How do you reach those kids in spite of their parental situation? What is your solution to getting parents involved in their kids' education? And why are the truly involved and concerned parents pushing to remove their children from schools with "good" teachers?
There is a problem. I don't think very many teachers or even unions "get it". I just don't understand how so many people (parents included) can pass the blame and not offer any effective solutions that will benefit most, if not all, kids. It seems everyone is in it for themselves and not the students.
And out of all of this, I still detest union strikes. What teacher would sacrifice a day of learning to strike for material gain? Why should the child be used as leverage? What moral organization would welcome such a tactic?”
carjdcpa on Dec 6, 2013 at 19:15:29
“Help us by getting the Department of Education to understand and accept that parents do make a difference and you might have a deal.”
charles77 on Dec 6, 2013 at 18:41:09
“"I do have a problem with mandated testing that influences teachers salaries. I'm all for teachers being held accountable, "
OK, how do you propose to grade teachers so good ones get rewarded and bad ones get fired?
And I agree parents can do more, like getting rid of video games until the homework is done.”
“As a teacher I see that children that are from an Asian, Spanish or other cultural background are much harder workers than the students whose parents are from America. Culturally they are taught the importance of a good education. They see the value in the careers that they want to have.”
“Not all teachers dislike the CC. As a social studies teacher I see the Common Core as a way to get my students to look at the material, look at the meaning and translate it so that it is meaningful. This is just one example of what I need to do with the CC.
The CC has nothing to do with teacher evaluations. Those differ from state to state. Most teachers are against the testing that is shoved down our throats. CC is not all about testing, but unfortunately that is still an issue.”
“I'm sorry, I've missed your criteria as "Dr". I would love to hear your professional opinion on this matter.
But, if you are not a doctor and have no training in the subject I would rather not hear the opinions of someone who is uneducated on the matter. It is people with lack of knowledge that spread hate and misunderstanding.
Please be cautious when not understanding a medical condition.”
“I have worked with Autistic children for over 10 years. Within these 10 years and hundreds of patients I have never seen a child with Autism show violence like this. Most will push, shove and sometimes hit out of frustration. Usually this frustration stems from the inability to communicate. This is not the case here. Adam obviously could communicate.
My fear is that when a child comes in to the doctors office with "social" issues too many doctors will label them with a Autism diagnosis. But, these "social" issues can also be seen in bipolar disorder and many other truly violent mental illnesses.”
“Teaching 7th grade makes me deal with this same issue every year. Parents should take care of their children and when they don't they can't be surprised when I send home my "shower" bags with deodorant, soap, lotion, tooth brush and tooth paste.”
“I would just like to say that I'm sorry and I'm with you to any LGBT child out there. You only need love and support to get your through this life. Keep shining. You are more appreciated and loved than you know.”
“CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RH.6-8.7 Integrate visual information (e.g., in charts, graphs, photographs, videos, or maps) with other information in print and digital texts.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RH.6-8.8 Distinguish among fact, opinion, and reasoned judgment in a text.
CCSS.ELA-Literacy.RH.6-8.9 Analyze the relationship between a primary and secondary source on the same topic.
I can see how this is scaring the crap out of you! I teach these standards with every unit along with the rest. I can see how this is driving education to the bottom.
“I agree on the fact that testing is a waste. Students don't take them seriously so the data is inconclusive, but I think that teaching students that they need to read, comprehend, relate to material is more important than just spitting back facts.”
“That was interesting, totally bogus and crazy, but interesting.
Thanks so much for the laugh!!! After a long day of teaching a 134 7th graders, I thought no one was more immature than them. I stand corrected.”