“We should stop all Arab intervention. Including food and other assorted supplies and worry more about our own country. We also should have closed our borders right after 9/11 when for a couple of hours everyone was on the same page. We can't afford the people we already have,
people need to stay in their own countries.”
“no party is against rights for women, however sexual perverts should have nospecial rights. ”
aredant on Oct 27, 2013 at 11:12:19
“You apparently are in favor of rolling back all of our civil rights laws to a time when any person or business can discriminant against another because they don't like them. That progressive right?”
carbec on Feb 13, 2013 at 13:34:24
“Regressives are attempting in many states to diminish women's reproductive rights. The House Regressives have passed anti-abortion bills, most recently LyanRyan was responsible for a "personhood" bill which passed with House Regressives.
Regressives, clearly, are against women's rights.”
“Having researched several legitimate sources, I stand corrected on the percentages of repeat offenders that
that continue after incarceration.
The statistics indicated that 5% - 20%
are reconvicted. A variable to be considered is how many repeaters are not caught. Those same statistics indicate that 30% of those molested become molesters as well. It seems to be a continuing circle
of perversion. Life in prison or capitol punishment appears to be the only effective
way of beaking the cycle. Other options are obviously not working.
Your experience on a personal level (which I'm sorry ever happened) may have created
a variant of "Stockholm Syndrome" thus explaining your views on this matter.”
Junesopinion on Oct 22, 2012 at 21:17:05
“How typical that you would to try and discredit me by pretending to have empathy while at the same time dismissing what I actually have to say by pathologizing me. I do not have Stockholm Syndrome. As I say I used to believe as you do. I used to think vengeance was correct and useful. But I've watched the effects of "lock them up and throw away the key" and it's not helping survivors and it's not preventing sexual assault.
I am further puzzled by your obvious contradiction. On the one hand you admit that only 5-20% of sex offenders are convicted of another sex crime but you then turn around and say "nothing is working". If you looked further you'd also find that those folks who go through evidence based treatment programs have the lowest rates of recidivism. Once again contradicting your basis for mass execution or indefinite incarceration.
As I said I used to be an advocate of vengeance but I now understand the importance of forgiveness and redemption not for the perpetrators of violence but for those of us who survive.”
“Regardless of the fact that you didn't say you approved of treatment failures, which earlier in this discussion, was up to 50% according to you, leaves up to half of them trolling for another child. Approval of a program includes failures as well as successes. You said "Thank goodness it means real hope". I'm sure the children molestedby the high percentage of failures will really appreciate your "real hope". You said " I feel sorry for the offenders". That in itselfsubstantiates the fact that your line of thinking is impaired. I know you mean well, but the end result is horrendous. Feeling sorry for offenders suggests that you might have dealt with these issues on a personal level, thus deciphering your protective nature for offenders and irrational perception of reality, making further discussion futile.”
Junesopinion on Oct 22, 2012 at 16:10:48
“Reading is fundamental:
"not because I feel sorry for offenders"
Meaning I don't feel sorry for them but I do think that treatment works and is a fundamentally integral part of changing rape culture.
I note with some gratitude that you don't try to justify your call for exterminating an entire class of human beings.
For the record I'm a survivor of sexual assault who used to find solace in being vitriolically angry, just like you, but have realized over the years that, though righteous anger feels good, revenge isn't a useful or practical tactic for changing the culture so that sexual assault isn't as much of an issue. In fact I strongly believe that sort of thinking actual contributes to making our culture more violent and makes sexual assault much more likely.”
“Mass extermination was never a consideration. Capitol punishment for convicted child molesters is not mass extermination, so stop trying to alter my reply in your misguided attempt to justify your opinion. What's odiuos, evil, and offensive is your apparent approval of the 25% to 50% repeat offenders that did not respond to treatment to go molest more children. A child molester needs to fear for their life.”
Junesopinion on Oct 22, 2012 at 00:55:53
“Wow, I never said I approved of the treatment failures but if 75% of folks can be successfully treated that is really hopeful to me not because I feel sorry for offenders but because I care a great deal for victims and prevention. If you can't understand why treating people effectively is a more useful solution than murder there is little hope of a rational discussion with you.
Further you in fact clearly implied that all sex offenders should be killed. I quote : "The only truly effective treatment is termination". You made no exceptions or equivocations so you're advocating a kind of genocide, for which there is no ethical justification and frankly makes me think less of you than of sex offenders.”
“Your "flowerchild" outlook is detrimental to the elimination of these horrendous criminals. With such a high percentage of repeat offenders, termination eliminates
the possibility of the (already guilty) criminal to ever harming another child.”
Acorn Tree on Oct 21, 2012 at 11:48:32
“i dont think you have had the education to determine such eventualities. another note that goes hand in hand with education the the evolution of the legal system along with new knowledge since this rarely happens its safe to say the punishments no longer fit the crime.”
“If treatment is not 100% effective, your point is moot. What do you say to the victims
of the 25% to 50% that did not respond to treatment ? The only truly effective
treatment is termination. This type of treatment is 100% effective and ensures a real hope for changing society so there is less sexual violence. I think that maybe the fear
of spending a few minutes in an industrial microwave, just might serve as an excellent deterrent.”
Junesopinion on Oct 21, 2012 at 13:13:50
“Mass extermination is not a logical or viable solution to any problem ever.
It's an odious, evil and offensive suggestion.
There is a reason that all of the great religions speak of forgiveness and redemption. An eye for an eye truly does make the whole world blind.”
“"first offense" ???? I don't think the possibility of a 2nd offense should exist. To be honest, if some pervert molested one of my kids, capitol punishment would occur one way or the other.
Before the negative replies arrive, I know it's wrong, but I think my anger would eclipse common sense.”
jbchartford on Oct 21, 2012 at 11:14:12
“Its rarely so cut and dried.Thats the problem.It would be easy to kill some stranger you found molesting your child,but what if it was your 13 years old nephew or dear old grampa?Thats usually who it is which is why its a shock to people when they learn how common it is.Most people that catch a relative dont even report it,nevermind kill them.”