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Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 22:31:18 in Politics
“"Hate is all around, the GOP/Conservatives seems to be more peaceful."
They're unaware of what's going on.
"That's a fact, not emotion, just reality"
Your equivocal version of reality.”
They're unaware of what's going on.
"That's a fact, not emotion, just reality"
Your equivocal version of reality.”
SeattlePepe replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:30:33
“Ask the group from the SEIU about peaceful protest, you can find them on some news outlets during the trials. And the trials for conservatives causing a brew-ha-ha, when does that begin?”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 22:26:11 in Politics
“Soros doesn't own the Wall Street Journal.
"Put your emotion away"
I hone my emotion to a fine edge.
"and try and get educated on facts and the grown-up business world".
A typically groundless condescending remark. You have no corner on reality and I'll wager, know far less than yours truly in general.
Even Obama has changed his stripes once he became elected; he's nowhere new the "for the people" leader "you" thought he'd be.
He was by far the best (and only tolerable) candidate of the two with real chances of winning.”
"Put your emotion away"
I hone my emotion to a fine edge.
"and try and get educated on facts and the grown-up business world".
A typically groundless condescending remark. You have no corner on reality and I'll wager, know far less than yours truly in general.
Even Obama has changed his stripes once he became elected; he's nowhere new the "for the people" leader "you" thought he'd be.
He was by far the best (and only tolerable) candidate of the two with real chances of winning.”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 20:20:27 in Politics
“"Comparing Palin to Ronald Reagan".
All show and little comprehension in both cases. Reagan was at his best when he represented the Actors Union. As POTUS, he was easily manipulated by a team of real shadows with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
Under Reganomics and Trickle Down, the disparity between the rich and the poor increased greatly.
Decisions were made based on the recommendations of Nancy's astronomer.
And I thought libs had a bad opinion of Palin."
A typically snide and supercilious remark.”
All show and little comprehension in both cases. Reagan was at his best when he represented the Actors Union. As POTUS, he was easily manipulated by a team of real shadows with a vested interest in maintaining the status quo.
Under Reganomics and Trickle Down, the disparity between the rich and the poor increased greatly.
Decisions were made based on the recommendations of Nancy's astronomer.
And I thought libs had a bad opinion of Palin."
A typically snide and supercilious remark.”
kamachanda replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 08:46:47
“You forgot the United States ceasing to be a lender nation and switching to a borrower nation. Roots of the deficit? You betcha.”
weatherwaxx replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 00:40:51
“It was Nancy's astrologer, not astronomer. In the long run, though, I think that beats Palin's witch doctor.”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 20:03:52 in Politics
“"Before you blast the nation, understand it's purpose".
What I understand (and understand quite well) is the the purpose of Rudolph Murdoch and his mercenary cohorts is not MY purpose but rather, a purpose that runs counter to the legitimate interests of all decent, hard working, freedom loving Americans.
" As for FN, the headlines are, well, news."
A glimpse of reality as viewed from the gutter.”
What I understand (and understand quite well) is the the purpose of Rudolph Murdoch and his mercenary cohorts is not MY purpose but rather, a purpose that runs counter to the legitimate interests of all decent, hard working, freedom loving Americans.
" As for FN, the headlines are, well, news."
A glimpse of reality as viewed from the gutter.”
SeattlePepe replied on Nov 25, 2009 at 21:25:07
“Oh, so Sorros and the likes are all out for our best interest. So all of us that agree with RMs purpose are against America, non hard working, freedom haters. Put your emotion away and try and get educated on facts and the grown-up business world. Even Obama has changed his stripes once he became elected; he's nowhere new the "for the people" leader "you" thought he'd be.”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 19:50:22 in Politics
“The anger comes from having to live through the destruction of the USA and all that it stood for during eight nightmarish years under GWBush.
No progressive politician has trashed the Constitution, invested so many financial, human and institutional resources in unnecessary, destructive activities as the governments administered by the repugnant regressive party; and progressives aren't war mongering mercenary war profiteers, like the last RP Presidential Candidate.
That's where the anger comes from, Republican thugs ruining the country, possibly forever.”
No progressive politician has trashed the Constitution, invested so many financial, human and institutional resources in unnecessary, destructive activities as the governments administered by the repugnant regressive party; and progressives aren't war mongering mercenary war profiteers, like the last RP Presidential Candidate.
That's where the anger comes from, Republican thugs ruining the country, possibly forever.”
falstoffe replied on Nov 25, 2009 at 23:27:12
“Anyone that thinks the problems in this country started with Obama forgets GWBush.
Anyone that thinks the problems in this country started with GWBush forgets Clinton.
Anyone that thinks the problems in this country started with Clinton forgets Reagan.
Anyone that thinks....
The problems here are four generations old and transcend party lines. Quit playing R's and D's have magic powers, please.”
Anyone that thinks the problems in this country started with GWBush forgets Clinton.
Anyone that thinks the problems in this country started with Clinton forgets Reagan.
Anyone that thinks....
The problems here are four generations old and transcend party lines. Quit playing R's and D's have magic powers, please.”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 18:30:49 in Politics
“"The great Teachers do not involve themselves in politics "
Like JC?
"By your injecting yourself into the life and politics of Sarah Palin - you become no better than Jeremiah Wright"
A statement flabbergasting for it's illogic. When Sarah Palin injected herself in the public arena (thanks to John Sidney McCain), she provided a free pass for one and all to inject themselves in her life and politics. Punto.”
Like JC?
"By your injecting yourself into the life and politics of Sarah Palin - you become no better than Jeremiah Wright"
A statement flabbergasting for it's illogic. When Sarah Palin injected herself in the public arena (thanks to John Sidney McCain), she provided a free pass for one and all to inject themselves in her life and politics. Punto.”
yweston replied on Nov 26, 2009 at 01:53:11
“Thank God for the Reverend Martin Luther King”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 25, 2009 at 18:22:39 in Politics
“You summed it all up pretty well.”
Bush Oil Buddies Divvy Up Iraqi Oil, Now Joined By "Liberal Scion" Peter Galbraith
Commented Nov 13, 2009 at 20:54:31 in Politics
“The decision to invade Iraq preceded 9/11 and was intended to provide access to the oil Saddam Hussein had nationalized, a goal that was accomplished at a tragically great cost: The lives lost, the debt incurred and the moral stature of the USA reduced to worthless hype; the suicides and homelessness among the war's American victims who know or sense they've been deceived.
When GWB was in the Texas Air National Guard he "borrowed" a navy jet to visit a girl friend. Once he became Commander In Chief, he had the nation's Armed Forces at his disposal.
He betrayed his country, which has yet to recover from the results of his treachery.”
When GWB was in the Texas Air National Guard he "borrowed" a navy jet to visit a girl friend. Once he became Commander In Chief, he had the nation's Armed Forces at his disposal.
He betrayed his country, which has yet to recover from the results of his treachery.”
darker replied on Nov 14, 2009 at 02:43:42
“BUSH = FRAT-BRAT posing as president. A store-front behind which Republican
rich ran amok and destroyed all controls of the American financial system
while creating WAR PROFITEER opportunities at the cost of America lives and others,
and pushing UNLIMITED PROFITEERING for oil company pals and banker friends.”
rich ran amok and destroyed all controls of the American financial system
while creating WAR PROFITEER opportunities at the cost of America lives and others,
and pushing UNLIMITED PROFITEERING for oil company pals and banker friends.”
NJ Law Enforcement Appear to Contradict Dobbs' Version of Gunfire Incident
Commented Oct 31, 2009 at 10:30:11 in Media
“From Lou's perspective, Unprocessed Migrant Workers are responsible for all of America's Ailments, including intolerance. (That said by one of America's most publicized commentators, with one of the biggest moats in his eye).”
Jonathan Safran Foer's Controversial New Book, Eating Animals
Commented Oct 27, 2009 at 07:45:23 in Books
“You are discussing industrial, chemically based agriculture, a flawed, unsustainable farming system - yet alternative, biologically integrated farming systems that preserve diversity are being used by many.
And obviously, the scale of the unintentional killing that occurs can not be compared with the planned slaughter of animals consumed by humans who like you, have had little or no experience with alternative (meatless) food systems.
After eating meat for 23 years I made the switch to a meatless, eggless diet in 1965 and 44 years later am still going strong.
(The idea that I owe my health to the meat eaten earlier is silly).”
And obviously, the scale of the unintentional killing that occurs can not be compared with the planned slaughter of animals consumed by humans who like you, have had little or no experience with alternative (meatless) food systems.
After eating meat for 23 years I made the switch to a meatless, eggless diet in 1965 and 44 years later am still going strong.
(The idea that I owe my health to the meat eaten earlier is silly).”
Beth Boyle replied on Oct 27, 2009 at 20:19:44
“Actually much of what I mentioned above happened on small family farms in my area and on a organic farm.”
vorpalmusic replied on Oct 27, 2009 at 11:18:42
“(Actually, it's not). The nutrients required by the growing body are quite different than what are required to sustain an already developed adult.
Even some top vegan advocates acknowledge that certain things, such as Omega-3, are still best gotten from animal sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZKis8EBzWM&feature=related”
Even some top vegan advocates acknowledge that certain things, such as Omega-3, are still best gotten from animal sources:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZKis8EBzWM&feature=related”
LeBron James: The Man Who Would Dunk on Dubya
Commented Oct 23, 2009 at 19:31:57 in Politics
“Clevelanders don't mess around - and LeBron chose the man who did the most damage to the USA, ever.”
Mexico Revs up War on Workers; Obama Shrugs
Commented Oct 18, 2009 at 18:56:23 in World
“What do you know about it?
Mexico may not be perfect but:
Mexico doesn't invade other sovereign countries;
Mexico has no Capital Punishment;
It has Agrarian Reform Laws;
Mexico's President is elected by Direct Vote;
Discrimination due to race, age, sex, capacity, economic condition, origin, beliefs, creed or preferences is prohibited at the constitutional level (and racism is much less of a problem, compared to the USA).
Electoral Ballots leave a paper trail and no corporate funds can be used for campaigns,
Both of the two electricity providers involved are government owned. (One operates nationally, the other only in Mexico City).
Fusing the two companies may not be a bad idea but the way it was handled was authoritarian and abused the rights of the smaller company's workers. Mexico's Federal Work Law doesn't permit the procedure used and Mexico's legislators won't stand for it.
This kind of behavior will assure that the PAN will lose in 2012 (Mexico's next Presidential Election).”
Mexico may not be perfect but:
Mexico doesn't invade other sovereign countries;
Mexico has no Capital Punishment;
It has Agrarian Reform Laws;
Mexico's President is elected by Direct Vote;
Discrimination due to race, age, sex, capacity, economic condition, origin, beliefs, creed or preferences is prohibited at the constitutional level (and racism is much less of a problem, compared to the USA).
Electoral Ballots leave a paper trail and no corporate funds can be used for campaigns,
Both of the two electricity providers involved are government owned. (One operates nationally, the other only in Mexico City).
Fusing the two companies may not be a bad idea but the way it was handled was authoritarian and abused the rights of the smaller company's workers. Mexico's Federal Work Law doesn't permit the procedure used and Mexico's legislators won't stand for it.
This kind of behavior will assure that the PAN will lose in 2012 (Mexico's next Presidential Election).”
Health Insurance Reform Must Include Public Option
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:39:32 in Politics
“"A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required before anything else can be obtained through Congress".
An Act that would prohibit any legislator who had received economic support of any kind (in cash or in specie) from an industry involved in a proposed Legislative Initiative from voting on that Initiative, and make doing so a criminal offense.
For instance.”
An Act that would prohibit any legislator who had received economic support of any kind (in cash or in specie) from an industry involved in a proposed Legislative Initiative from voting on that Initiative, and make doing so a criminal offense.
For instance.”
Health Insurance Reform Must Include Public Option
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 10:13:27 in Politics
“I mentioned 5 examples. (Education, Transportation Infrastructure, the Rule of Law, Delivery Service and the Regulation of Activities that Affect Our Health and Shared Environment). All relate to basic, indispensable needs and it's in the Public Interest to assure that these activities exist and that standards that govern their operation exist and are complied with, regardless of who is operating them and whether the motivation is For Profit or Not (primarily) For Profit.
Since Needs, Priorities and Resources may vary, both private and public solutions must be available. Private Solutions are sometimes required to meet Special Needs (but this is not always true - sometimes public facilities respond more flexibly and appropriately to exceptional cases).
I've use both Public and Private options in all examples and there's no guarantee either way. You have to know what you need and and make your own case to obtain it.
The critical point is having the options and making sure that the service provider lives up to their end of the bargain, which IS NOT OCCURRING AT PRESENT.
That's why Government, charged with representing society as a whole, MUST be involved, either as a service provider or a representative of the majority's interests.
The problem is not with the government but rather with a SYSTEM of government that allows Corporations to manipulate Public Policy, Legislators and the Mass Media through bribes (donations, speaker's fees, sweet deals, etc.).
A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required anything else can be obtained through Congress.”
Since Needs, Priorities and Resources may vary, both private and public solutions must be available. Private Solutions are sometimes required to meet Special Needs (but this is not always true - sometimes public facilities respond more flexibly and appropriately to exceptional cases).
I've use both Public and Private options in all examples and there's no guarantee either way. You have to know what you need and and make your own case to obtain it.
The critical point is having the options and making sure that the service provider lives up to their end of the bargain, which IS NOT OCCURRING AT PRESENT.
That's why Government, charged with representing society as a whole, MUST be involved, either as a service provider or a representative of the majority's interests.
The problem is not with the government but rather with a SYSTEM of government that allows Corporations to manipulate Public Policy, Legislators and the Mass Media through bribes (donations, speaker's fees, sweet deals, etc.).
A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required anything else can be obtained through Congress.”
dhinds replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 10:39:32
“"A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required before anything else can be obtained through Congress".
An Act that would prohibit any legislator who had received economic support of any kind (in cash or in specie) from an industry involved in a proposed Legislative Initiative from voting on that Initiative, and make doing so a criminal offense.
For instance.”
An Act that would prohibit any legislator who had received economic support of any kind (in cash or in specie) from an industry involved in a proposed Legislative Initiative from voting on that Initiative, and make doing so a criminal offense.
For instance.”
Health Insurance Reform Must Include Public Option
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 19:49:39 in Politics
“If the Federal Government's job includes providing:
A.- Public Education;
B.- Public Highways and Bridges;
C.- Public Justice System;
D.- Public Package and Document Delivery Service; and
E.- Governmental Oversight of Public Health and Environmental Hazards;
Why can't it provide a Public Health Care Option?
(Please note that all of the above exist in both Public and Private forms: Private schools, Toll Roads, Civil Law Suits, Courier Service and the Sierra Club etc.)
Perhaps creating Health Care Boards (like the School Boards school districts have) would help keep things on track.”
A.- Public Education;
B.- Public Highways and Bridges;
C.- Public Justice System;
D.- Public Package and Document Delivery Service; and
E.- Governmental Oversight of Public Health and Environmental Hazards;
Why can't it provide a Public Health Care Option?
(Please note that all of the above exist in both Public and Private forms: Private schools, Toll Roads, Civil Law Suits, Courier Service and the Sierra Club etc.)
Perhaps creating Health Care Boards (like the School Boards school districts have) would help keep things on track.”
dhinds replied on Oct 09, 2009 at 10:13:27
“I mentioned 5 examples. (Education, Transportation Infrastructure, the Rule of Law, Delivery Service and the Regulation of Activities that Affect Our Health and Shared Environment). All relate to basic, indispensable needs and it's in the Public Interest to assure that these activities exist and that standards that govern their operation exist and are complied with, regardless of who is operating them and whether the motivation is For Profit or Not (primarily) For Profit.
Since Needs, Priorities and Resources may vary, both private and public solutions must be available. Private Solutions are sometimes required to meet Special Needs (but this is not always true - sometimes public facilities respond more flexibly and appropriately to exceptional cases).
I've use both Public and Private options in all examples and there's no guarantee either way. You have to know what you need and and make your own case to obtain it.
The critical point is having the options and making sure that the service provider lives up to their end of the bargain, which IS NOT OCCURRING AT PRESENT.
That's why Government, charged with representing society as a whole, MUST be involved, either as a service provider or a representative of the majority's interests.
The problem is not with the government but rather with a SYSTEM of government that allows Corporations to manipulate Public Policy, Legislators and the Mass Media through bribes (donations, speaker's fees, sweet deals, etc.).
A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required anything else can be obtained through Congress.”
Since Needs, Priorities and Resources may vary, both private and public solutions must be available. Private Solutions are sometimes required to meet Special Needs (but this is not always true - sometimes public facilities respond more flexibly and appropriately to exceptional cases).
I've use both Public and Private options in all examples and there's no guarantee either way. You have to know what you need and and make your own case to obtain it.
The critical point is having the options and making sure that the service provider lives up to their end of the bargain, which IS NOT OCCURRING AT PRESENT.
That's why Government, charged with representing society as a whole, MUST be involved, either as a service provider or a representative of the majority's interests.
The problem is not with the government but rather with a SYSTEM of government that allows Corporations to manipulate Public Policy, Legislators and the Mass Media through bribes (donations, speaker's fees, sweet deals, etc.).
A COMPREHENSIVE ELECTORAL REFORM bill may be required anything else can be obtained through Congress.”
chimark replied on Oct 08, 2009 at 21:49:02
“Please also note that the private incarnations that you mentioned are better run and much more cost effective than the government run entities.
Deregulate the insurance industry and healthcare will take care of itself.
You will get you competition, and choice.”
Deregulate the insurance industry and healthcare will take care of itself.
You will get you competition, and choice.”
What We Don't Say About Illegal Immigration
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 19:14:11 in Politics
“Why not the UFW?”
What We Don't Say About Illegal Immigration
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 15:45:28 in Politics
“"The Latino community has fought long and hard for ESL programs here. Meanwhile, in Latin America no such programs exist for indigenous people. To me that's ironic".
Vanessa, it's not ironic - it's false.
www.cdi.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=46
I can't tell you how many there are (and I'm sure there could be more) but I have indigenous friends working as bilingual instructors (i.e. Nahuatl / Spanish) in teachers colleges in indigenous regions.
"At the end of the day, sovereign nations should take care of their people, especially those belonging to the G20. It's just not progressive to let these governments off the hook."
Does that statement contribute to resolving the very real problems that have to be dealt with in countries like Mexico?
Do you think NAFTA helps Mexico's economy?
What don't you do something constructive?”
Vanessa, it's not ironic - it's false.
www.cdi.gob.mx/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=317&Itemid=46
I can't tell you how many there are (and I'm sure there could be more) but I have indigenous friends working as bilingual instructors (i.e. Nahuatl / Spanish) in teachers colleges in indigenous regions.
"At the end of the day, sovereign nations should take care of their people, especially those belonging to the G20. It's just not progressive to let these governments off the hook."
Does that statement contribute to resolving the very real problems that have to be dealt with in countries like Mexico?
Do you think NAFTA helps Mexico's economy?
What don't you do something constructive?”
Pleneras replied on Oct 05, 2009 at 23:56:53
“Which Latino community? Latino means nothing to me. It does not identify an ethnic group or a nation. If you mean Mexicans please what is wrong with saying Mexicans?”
hp blogger Vanessa Carmichael replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 20:11:02
“According the The United Nations Economic and Social Council's delegation that went to Guatemala, Honduras and Nicaragua these second language programs weren't as common as you suggest. Perhaps there have been improvements as a result of their findings but this was just five years ago so I stand by my statement that it is ironic. Read their report which you can find by googling.
Of course I think trade policies have a lot to do with Mexico's ailing economy, especially agribusiness. I state as much in the 4th paragraph of my article. However, Mexico is a sovereign nation. It is for the Mexican government to look out for the interest of its people. Trade agreements aren't "an offer you can't refuse." What I'm suggesting is that perhaps if there was less discrimination and prejudiced attitudes in Latin American society, the Mexican government would take its indigenous and working population into account when negotiating and not just support a strong immigration policy.
We need to put pressure on the US government, Canadian government and Mexican government to come up with solutions besides pitting American workers against one another and suggesting that it is perfectly suitable for people to risk life and limb to cross the border to stand outside Home Depot for low wage day work doing home repairs. I think these people deserve better. It seems you don't.”
Of course I think trade policies have a lot to do with Mexico's ailing economy, especially agribusiness. I state as much in the 4th paragraph of my article. However, Mexico is a sovereign nation. It is for the Mexican government to look out for the interest of its people. Trade agreements aren't "an offer you can't refuse." What I'm suggesting is that perhaps if there was less discrimination and prejudiced attitudes in Latin American society, the Mexican government would take its indigenous and working population into account when negotiating and not just support a strong immigration policy.
We need to put pressure on the US government, Canadian government and Mexican government to come up with solutions besides pitting American workers against one another and suggesting that it is perfectly suitable for people to risk life and limb to cross the border to stand outside Home Depot for low wage day work doing home repairs. I think these people deserve better. It seems you don't.”
What We Don't Say About Illegal Immigration
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 15:08:04 in Politics
“"When a young girl (11+) runs across the border specifically to get pregnant and have a baby in an American hospital so she will become the mother of an "American citizen", America is doing something wrong. That "American citizen" then goes on to receive the next 18 years of welfare, food stamps, housing, etc. all paid to the illegal mother is the great draw to come to this country."
You're inventing. What you describe is not a typical event. The vast majority come to work and work they do. Your falsification of the facts does nothing to resolved a situation that requires much more thought and attention than you seem prepared to provide.”
You're inventing. What you describe is not a typical event. The vast majority come to work and work they do. Your falsification of the facts does nothing to resolved a situation that requires much more thought and attention than you seem prepared to provide.”
What We Don't Say About Illegal Immigration
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 15:02:36 in Politics
“Vanessa, your observations are interesting but not entirely accurate.
First of all, Mexico's GDP is in fact higher than than that of other Latin American countries (except Brazil), but that signifies nothing ANYWHERE in relation to the quality of the life lived by most of a country's citizens (see Redefining Progress www.rprogress.org and their GPI - Genuine Progress Indicator) and inequality in Mexico is much worse than in civilized, industrialized countries (the USA is an industrialized country).
But does that really relate to skin color?
As you mention, 90% of Mexicans are either mestizos or indigenous (may of whom are crossed), yet you attribute economic success to skin color. As you travel more around Mexico (where I'm writing from now), you'll notice that skin color changes with the region (it's still a big country) and at least 60 distinct indigenous ethnic groups are present.
The economic interests of the invaders and their descendants have prevented indigenous groups from achieving the representation their numbers merit in elected governmental positions but this is not directly related to skin color and Mexico (where I've lived over half my life) is a much less racist country than the USA.
There's a lot more to money and power in Mexico than skin color.”
First of all, Mexico's GDP is in fact higher than than that of other Latin American countries (except Brazil), but that signifies nothing ANYWHERE in relation to the quality of the life lived by most of a country's citizens (see Redefining Progress www.rprogress.org and their GPI - Genuine Progress Indicator) and inequality in Mexico is much worse than in civilized, industrialized countries (the USA is an industrialized country).
But does that really relate to skin color?
As you mention, 90% of Mexicans are either mestizos or indigenous (may of whom are crossed), yet you attribute economic success to skin color. As you travel more around Mexico (where I'm writing from now), you'll notice that skin color changes with the region (it's still a big country) and at least 60 distinct indigenous ethnic groups are present.
The economic interests of the invaders and their descendants have prevented indigenous groups from achieving the representation their numbers merit in elected governmental positions but this is not directly related to skin color and Mexico (where I've lived over half my life) is a much less racist country than the USA.
There's a lot more to money and power in Mexico than skin color.”
hp blogger Vanessa Carmichael replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 19:45:24
“Dhinds I think you have a problem with the report I reference, Racial Appearance And Income In Contemporary Mexico by Rutilio Martinez and Cris de la Torre, of University of Northern Colorado
http://www.cluteinstitute-onlinejournals.com/PDFs/1347.pdf
Also from their report(and I'm not making this up):
"Most Mexicans also adamantly deny that there is a preferred racial appearance in their society. This denial, however, does not agree with what can clearly be seen in printed ads, T.V. commercials and ads in the internet. In these publicity channels, the great majority of the models have European appearance, very few have Mestizo appearance and none have Indian appearance. Given the current and historical income distribution, the use of models of European appearance would be expected in the publicity of luxurious, sophisticated and very expensive
goods and services. However, the products and services advertised through these publicity channels include basic processed foods, cigarettes, beer, diapers, soft drinks, working class hotels in Mexican resorts and many other products and services whose main buyers are dark skinned consumers. Even in the publicity CDs of exclusive residential developments, like one called Lagos del Sol in the Riviera Maya, the models hired to represent the brick layers building the houses are of European appearance, despite the fact that brick layers in Mexico are Indians and Mestizos of dominant Indian appearance."”
http://www.cluteinstitute-onlinejournals.com/PDFs/1347.pdf
Also from their report(and I'm not making this up):
"Most Mexicans also adamantly deny that there is a preferred racial appearance in their society. This denial, however, does not agree with what can clearly be seen in printed ads, T.V. commercials and ads in the internet. In these publicity channels, the great majority of the models have European appearance, very few have Mestizo appearance and none have Indian appearance. Given the current and historical income distribution, the use of models of European appearance would be expected in the publicity of luxurious, sophisticated and very expensive
goods and services. However, the products and services advertised through these publicity channels include basic processed foods, cigarettes, beer, diapers, soft drinks, working class hotels in Mexican resorts and many other products and services whose main buyers are dark skinned consumers. Even in the publicity CDs of exclusive residential developments, like one called Lagos del Sol in the Riviera Maya, the models hired to represent the brick layers building the houses are of European appearance, despite the fact that brick layers in Mexico are Indians and Mestizos of dominant Indian appearance."”
What We Don't Say About Illegal Immigration
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 14:34:29 in Politics
“I've lived over half my life outside the USA working with problems related to development and there's a lot more to it than what you describe.
How can Mexicans cross the border?
It's a long border. And no other border has more commercial and human interchange in the world, both documented and undocumented.
An industry exists to help those desiring to enter the USA, do so. As it becomes more difficult, the prices rises.
The demand for farm workers exceeds the supply. Mexicans harvest the food you eat and using the current permit system for importing legal farm workers signifies crops that rot in the fields before the permits arrive.
When Mexicans cross borders, they find themselves in states that belonged to Mexico previously. (Over half of Mexico's territory became incorporated in what is now the USA. You may not care, but many others don't care if you sympathize or not).
You can't hold back the sea or blot out the sun with your thumb. They will keep coming, whether you like it or not.
The best that can be done is regulate the flow. Make it legal, within limits (i.e. agriculture and related industries). And make sure those that come have no criminal antecedents and are paid and treated fairly.”
How can Mexicans cross the border?
It's a long border. And no other border has more commercial and human interchange in the world, both documented and undocumented.
An industry exists to help those desiring to enter the USA, do so. As it becomes more difficult, the prices rises.
The demand for farm workers exceeds the supply. Mexicans harvest the food you eat and using the current permit system for importing legal farm workers signifies crops that rot in the fields before the permits arrive.
When Mexicans cross borders, they find themselves in states that belonged to Mexico previously. (Over half of Mexico's territory became incorporated in what is now the USA. You may not care, but many others don't care if you sympathize or not).
You can't hold back the sea or blot out the sun with your thumb. They will keep coming, whether you like it or not.
The best that can be done is regulate the flow. Make it legal, within limits (i.e. agriculture and related industries). And make sure those that come have no criminal antecedents and are paid and treated fairly.”
hp blogger Vanessa Carmichael replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 20:26:58
“You would probably feel differently if the flow of immigration was going the other way. Illegal immigration does indeed lead to wage depreciation. That's why Cesar Chavez himself did campaigns at the border to stem the flow of workers coming into the U.S. when the UFWA was negotiating for better wages. He and Dolores Huerta (UFWA) helped end the Barcero Program (guest worker) in 1964. Undocumented workers were considered strikebreakers to Chavez and the UFWA and have successfully kept wages for farm workers down to $10,000 per year. That's below the poverty level in the U.S.
Why does that not disgust you?
Also, you seem to overlook that Mexicans and Native American tribes were locked into a battle for the West. It's true sometimes Mexico won.”
Why does that not disgust you?
Also, you seem to overlook that Mexicans and Native American tribes were locked into a battle for the West. It's true sometimes Mexico won.”
The Public Option Lives On
Commented Sep 29, 2009 at 13:37:53 in Politics
“When the Obama Campaign offered "Change You Can Believe In", he apparently meant "Change he believes he can Achieve", which in this case depends in large part on the amount the Industries he wants to change will spend presenting this issue to the public in ways that benefit their own economic interests.
If this is true, Obama probably assumes that negotiating an achievable, significantly improved addition to the current Health Care System is the best or only way to reach his goals.
Personally, I think that creating a new, non-profit research-based option is an indispensable element of what America needs to care for it's ill, and I don't see that being offered in any current legislation. As far as I know, there's been nothing presented to date that delves into the environmental and dietary causes of disease, which is an oversight that protects the right of those contaminating the USA's ecosphere and food supply to continue doing so.
I'm saying that the current discussion is looking in the wrong direction - on both sides.”
If this is true, Obama probably assumes that negotiating an achievable, significantly improved addition to the current Health Care System is the best or only way to reach his goals.
Personally, I think that creating a new, non-profit research-based option is an indispensable element of what America needs to care for it's ill, and I don't see that being offered in any current legislation. As far as I know, there's been nothing presented to date that delves into the environmental and dietary causes of disease, which is an oversight that protects the right of those contaminating the USA's ecosphere and food supply to continue doing so.
I'm saying that the current discussion is looking in the wrong direction - on both sides.”
ForwardtoYesterday replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 14:44:34
“Or, maybe he knew that his left flank would fight like hell for the public option, so with his right hand he defangs big pharma and the insurance companies and lets the word slip he did it, we liberals get all crazy and activist and...we might just get a public option. He doesn't seem to mind angering liberals, in any case. Maybe in this case that wasn't such a bad thing. We'll see.
Of course, we may never learn exactly what his strategy was, but as far as I'm concerned, if we get the public option that's robust, he'll deserve a good chunk of the credit.”
Of course, we may never learn exactly what his strategy was, but as far as I'm concerned, if we get the public option that's robust, he'll deserve a good chunk of the credit.”
ran6110 replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 14:13:29
“And i agree....”
The Public Option Lives On
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 20:15:14 in Politics
“You nailed it.”
Philclock replied on Sep 29, 2009 at 01:35:00
“It's better, all right, a better MONOPOLY!
You vote for it, it nails you!”
You vote for it, it nails you!”
The Public Option Lives On
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 20:13:54 in Politics
“Remove the profit motive - this is too basic a need.”
The Public Option Lives On
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 20:11:43 in Politics
“"the people say Baucus", the one that sold out.
BTW, I have a friend, a lawyer that worked with the Cherokee Nation (maybe she still does). Her initials were KCW.”
BTW, I have a friend, a lawyer that worked with the Cherokee Nation (maybe she still does). Her initials were KCW.”
CherokeeGirl replied on Sep 28, 2009 at 20:42:12
“thanks D
I am an americanized cherokee, only 1/5th blood, so I have been assimilated.
but there's still alot of fight left in me. :)”
I am an americanized cherokee, only 1/5th blood, so I have been assimilated.
but there's still alot of fight left in me. :)”
The Public Option Lives On
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 19:56:33 in Politics
“"in a health care system striving for a free preventive health for all...the United states could go back to doing world quality medical research"
That's the whole point. THAT (not obligating the purchase of health insurance using systems that fail to account for the causes of disease) is exactly here we ought to be.
Competition doesn't work when the wrong race is being run.
This is not a monetary issue and cash on hand does not assure a healthy lifestyle under environmentally benign conditions when ignorance prevails.
This issue is part and parcel of responsibility and accountability in government, something most politicians apparently know little about (and the electors may be no better).”
That's the whole point. THAT (not obligating the purchase of health insurance using systems that fail to account for the causes of disease) is exactly here we ought to be.
Competition doesn't work when the wrong race is being run.
This is not a monetary issue and cash on hand does not assure a healthy lifestyle under environmentally benign conditions when ignorance prevails.
This issue is part and parcel of responsibility and accountability in government, something most politicians apparently know little about (and the electors may be no better).”
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