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GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 19:04:11 in Politics
“Get your facts right.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 19:03:04 in Politics
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GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 19:01:00 in Politics
“You know most people like your photo? It's Bush waving goodbye.”
rapscallion02 replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 19:04:43
“Yep, I bet he was glad to get away from them dam democrats.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 19:00:11 in Politics
“We do. But maybe the Republicans would quit making their false claims and baseless predictions about it until (a) there is a final Bill and (b) until we actually know how it works (which means buttoning up for about 10 years).
Not to much to ask, is it?”
Not to much to ask, is it?”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:58:11 in Politics
“And as a Senior I won't doubt that there are Seniors opting out of AARP over this.
Why? Because they're believing the scare tactics of the GOP. And, of course, some are legitimate Republicans who think that any stand of AARP opposed by the GOP is grounds for bailing.
Then there are those that are just gullible to the extreme. I know some, and have actually managed to "quell" their fears, though it wasn't easy what with the fact
they also watch Fox News.”
Why? Because they're believing the scare tactics of the GOP. And, of course, some are legitimate Republicans who think that any stand of AARP opposed by the GOP is grounds for bailing.
Then there are those that are just gullible to the extreme. I know some, and have actually managed to "quell" their fears, though it wasn't easy what with the fact
they also watch Fox News.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:56:07 in Politics
“I'm an AARP member. As such, I get and read The Bulletin. Please prove what you say about AARP standing to make a "fortune" off of this. Especially since AARP's policy division (the one that communicates directly to members every month) has
called for the elimination of Medicare Advantage.
Where's your proof....”
called for the elimination of Medicare Advantage.
Where's your proof....”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:54:39 in Politics
“Off base on both counts.
By the way, two points you right-wingers love to overlook about Medicare:
First, Seniors on the average receive $3 worth of treatment for each dollar they ever pay into the system.
Second, up until this year, both parties were aware of the fiscal shortcomings of Medicare. Both parties recognized the need for trimming some costs, reducing fraud, in the system. In fact, John McCain called for about a trillion dollars worth of "trimming" during the campaign.
Yet, yet, when Democrats now come forth and point out the cost issue, and the need to deal with it,
right-wingers seize on it as a tool for fear-mongering. For purely political puroses.
Owe it. You're doing it too.”
By the way, two points you right-wingers love to overlook about Medicare:
First, Seniors on the average receive $3 worth of treatment for each dollar they ever pay into the system.
Second, up until this year, both parties were aware of the fiscal shortcomings of Medicare. Both parties recognized the need for trimming some costs, reducing fraud, in the system. In fact, John McCain called for about a trillion dollars worth of "trimming" during the campaign.
Yet, yet, when Democrats now come forth and point out the cost issue, and the need to deal with it,
right-wingers seize on it as a tool for fear-mongering. For purely political puroses.
Owe it. You're doing it too.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:50:41 in Politics
“It's not the reform plan that's worrying many people. It's more general perception that as a democracy, we are becoming increasingly handicapped in our ability to function at the highest political levels. In particular, as many analysts have written, in the Senate.
Perhaps our politician
Perhaps our politician
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:47:31 in Politics
“Or, as Michael Steele might say, "We're moving forward...
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:46:18 in Politics
“They voted "for" a program in 2003 that had no mechanisms at all in it for creating off-setting revenues. They passed a huge program (NCLB) that was a chronically underfunded state mandate from the outset. That's the basis of the article's claim of hypocrisy.
But hypocrisy is an SOP in much of politics anyway. Why are Republicans here not willing to wear the hat when it's fits them?”
But hypocrisy is an SOP in much of politics anyway. Why are Republicans here not willing to wear the hat when it's fits them?”
Eris23Skidoo replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 23:22:22
“It doesn't fit their meme of blaming democrats for all problems.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:42:05 in Politics
“I'm going to be very interested once there's a Bill in place just how "correct" all these Republican fear-mongerers are, be it Sarah Palin, Glenn Beck, Dick Morris or whomever.
On a more logical, rational level (for now): Since every industrialized country has some form of government health care (all of them with a stronger gvt role than what we'll have), we'd expect to see these d*eath panels and e*uthanasia, etc, operating there. Hmm....fun
And if the health care in these countries was so repressive, so frightening, so bad, you'd expect the satisfaction level to be quite low. Certainly below ours. But with the narrow exception of Germany (a bunch of curmedgeons), every major country's populace gives their health care system a higher satisfaction rating than we do ours.
Just some things for the scared populace to consider. Our job is to make them confront these rational
realities.”
On a more logical, rational level (for now): Since every industrialized country has some form of government health care (all of them with a stronger gvt role than what we'll have), we'd expect to see these d*eath panels and e*uthanasia, etc, operating there. Hmm....fun
And if the health care in these countries was so repressive, so frightening, so bad, you'd expect the satisfaction level to be quite low. Certainly below ours. But with the narrow exception of Germany (a bunch of curmedgeons), every major country's populace gives their health care system a higher satisfaction rating than we do ours.
Just some things for the scared populace to consider. Our job is to make them confront these rational
realities.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:39:59 in Politics
“What's frustrating is that Republicans are creating "perceptions", as opposed to presenting facts, in the minds of those that believe what they're saying.
Combatting a perceptiion is like proving a negative. Very hard to do.
Expect the s*limebag GOP to continue creating "perceptions" for as long as they can.”
Combatting a perceptiion is like proving a negative. Very hard to do.
Expect the s*limebag GOP to continue creating "perceptions" for as long as they can.”
rapscallion02 replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 18:45:28
“And what perception are they giving.LOL”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:37:54 in Politics
“I'm going to be very interested once there's a Bill in place just how "correct" all these Republican fear-mongerers are, be it Sarah Palin or Dick Morris.
On a more logical, rational level (for now): Since every industrialized country has some form of government health care (all of them with a stronger gvt role), we'd expect to see these death panels and euthanasia, etc, operating there. Hmm....fun
And if the health care in these countries was so repressive, so frightening, so bad, you'd expect the satisfaction level to be quite low. Certainly below ours. But with the narrow exception of Germany (a bunch of curmedgeons), every major country's populace gives their health care system a higher satisfaction rating than we do ours.
Just some things for the scared populace to consider. Our job is to make them confront these rational
realities.”
On a more logical, rational level (for now): Since every industrialized country has some form of government health care (all of them with a stronger gvt role), we'd expect to see these death panels and euthanasia, etc, operating there. Hmm....fun
And if the health care in these countries was so repressive, so frightening, so bad, you'd expect the satisfaction level to be quite low. Certainly below ours. But with the narrow exception of Germany (a bunch of curmedgeons), every major country's populace gives their health care system a higher satisfaction rating than we do ours.
Just some things for the scared populace to consider. Our job is to make them confront these rational
realities.”
donnabella replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 19:21:26
“Excellent post!”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 18:36:25 in Politics
“What's frustrating is that the fear-mongerers don't have to worry about facts. All they need to do is to create the perception of reality in the minds of the dimwits that believe them on anything.
Fighting "perception" is like proving a negative. Hard to do.
Expect the evil GOP to continue the perception game all the way to the 2010 elections.”
Fighting "perception" is like proving a negative. Hard to do.
Expect the evil GOP to continue the perception game all the way to the 2010 elections.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 15:22:29 in Politics
“You're being contradictory to some extent if you're going to abandon the Democratic party as a whole for the actions of petulant progressives. And while I don't think most progs will turn their back on the party in 2010, enough might in a handful of critical non-blue dog districts to cost us seats.
That said, I agree - being a four decade long Democrat - that many progs run the risk of being ideologues to the extent that the realities of politics, and the long struggle of Dems to even get to this point, is lost on them.”
That said, I agree - being a four decade long Democrat - that many progs run the risk of being ideologues to the extent that the realities of politics, and the long struggle of Dems to even get to this point, is lost on them.”
forfortyfour replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 16:45:01
“I couldn't disagree more. It was conventional-wisdom Democrats that gave us the "electable" John Kerry rather than Howard Dean who would have beaten Bush because he was consistent on his opposition to the Iraq War. It was the establishment Democrats who thought Obama was unelectable and that we needed a Clinton on the ticket to win.
The "realities of politics" is that you look like opportunistic flip-flopping corporate shills if you don't actually fight for what you and your base believe in. That's a political reality that seems to be lost on you. Another is that a wholesale giveaway to the insurance industry is not a pragmatic step in the right direction for the Democrats; it's a political suicide pact. Insurance rates are going to go up for the majority of people - those with private insurance right now - because insurance companies will need to offset their losses from insuring people with pre-existing conditions. The public option is needed to safeguard against escalating insurance rates.
So when the majority of people's insurance rates go up as a result of the Democrats' Bill, how happy are independents going to be with the Dem party? Even your conventional wisdom should answer that for you.
With respect to your view that progressives are no-compromise ideogues, keep in mind that most progressives want a single-payer healthcare system, which would result in much bigger long-term savings than the current plans. The public option IS the compromise.”
The "realities of politics" is that you look like opportunistic flip-flopping corporate shills if you don't actually fight for what you and your base believe in. That's a political reality that seems to be lost on you. Another is that a wholesale giveaway to the insurance industry is not a pragmatic step in the right direction for the Democrats; it's a political suicide pact. Insurance rates are going to go up for the majority of people - those with private insurance right now - because insurance companies will need to offset their losses from insuring people with pre-existing conditions. The public option is needed to safeguard against escalating insurance rates.
So when the majority of people's insurance rates go up as a result of the Democrats' Bill, how happy are independents going to be with the Dem party? Even your conventional wisdom should answer that for you.
With respect to your view that progressives are no-compromise ideogues, keep in mind that most progressives want a single-payer healthcare system, which would result in much bigger long-term savings than the current plans. The public option IS the compromise.”
StillIRise replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 15:40:14
“You're right ...
I probably wouldn't leave the Party, but if the Progressives turn our country back over to the Republicans, I can't imagine feeling any allegiance to them or to their values. It would be like a moderate Republican choosing to politically align himself with the birthers and teabaggers. They are hypocrites if they do, and I would feel like a hypocrite if I aligned myself with a party that no longer represented me!
I know that the Progressives do not represent the entire party, but if they were to make that kind of political impact, then they have an awful lot of pull.
But having said all of that, you're still right, and I'll still be a Democrat, no matter how disillusioned I would feel.”
I probably wouldn't leave the Party, but if the Progressives turn our country back over to the Republicans, I can't imagine feeling any allegiance to them or to their values. It would be like a moderate Republican choosing to politically align himself with the birthers and teabaggers. They are hypocrites if they do, and I would feel like a hypocrite if I aligned myself with a party that no longer represented me!
I know that the Progressives do not represent the entire party, but if they were to make that kind of political impact, then they have an awful lot of pull.
But having said all of that, you're still right, and I'll still be a Democrat, no matter how disillusioned I would feel.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 15:19:32 in Politics
“Of the deficits accumulated by Reagan and Papa Bush, only 14% can be attributed to domestic spending on infrastructure (everything from education to roads, and in between).
Contrast with Obama's stimulus/FY2010 budget, where more than 50% of spending is domestic in nature.”
Contrast with Obama's stimulus/FY2010 budget, where more than 50% of spending is domestic in nature.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 15:17:27 in Politics
“And when Rayguns budget director actually revealed that the tax cuts would lead to big deficits, he was taken "to the woodshed" by the administration.”
GOP Lawmakers Flip Flop On Costly Health Plans: AP
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 15:16:00 in Politics
“"Democrats are troubled by the inconsiste
Winter weather disrupts travel in Plains and East
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 12:13:20 in Green
“Let's just let the deniers (or the snarks claiming to be for the fun of it) make their silly posts. And let them
dialogue with each other. It'll be what the French call "dialogue des sourds"...
dialogue with each other. It'll be what the French call "dialogue des sourds"...
graffitijoe replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 12:25:42
“Well,as the French would say "Dehors, il fait frais."”
Foxrocks replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 12:14:37
“It means nothing because you never include the suns role in global warming when you discuss it.”
Winter weather disrupts travel in Plains and East
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 12:11:10 in Green
“"empty tire tube" is an apt metaphor for your brain.”
Winter weather disrupts travel in Plains and East
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 12:10:30 in Green
“About the number that claim to be Fundamentalists.”
Winter weather disrupts travel in Plains and East
Commented Dec 26, 2009 at 12:10:08 in Green
“Here's your update: Pipe down, will you. The day after Christmas is a little early to be trotting out your ignorance.”
Huge Winter Storm Hits The Midwest
Commented Dec 25, 2009 at 20:43:49 in Home
“Enjoy the summer humidity when it comes.”
cef911f1 replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 05:06:03
“The humidity's not so bad. I prefer it to that cold arctic air. (It gets humid in Illinois as well.)”
Huge Winter Storm Hits The Midwest
Commented Dec 25, 2009 at 20:42:33 in Home
“Do you say the same thing about the Heartland Institute? With this difference:
"Realclimate" is home to Scientists actually involved in climate related items and research.
The Heartland Institute is a propaganda arm of corporate America.”
"Realclimate" is home to Scientists actually involved in climate related items and research.
The Heartland Institute is a propaganda arm of corporate America.”
Huge Winter Storm Hits The Midwest
Commented Dec 25, 2009 at 20:40:32 in Home
“Why does God hate Red states? Oklahoma in particular
SaraMN00 replied on Dec 26, 2009 at 00:58:01
“Well, the storm was bad in a VERY blue state, too in MN, so...”
Tiger-99 replied on Dec 25, 2009 at 21:35:03
“How do you equate a Blizzard to an act of a gods hate for a particular state?”
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