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MSNBC Opens The Door On Hillary's Participation In The Family

Commented Mar 27, 2008 at 03:57:44 in Politics

“Good for you Stephen (and others) for bringing this nonsense to light. I guess if this cabal are really the Mason/ Club of Rome/ New World Order wannabees they appear to be, their exposure should result in the evaporation of Hillary's candidacy post haste! I generally take my conspiracy theories with a bag of salt, but there's just something downright unnerving about a global group of the connected and powerful taking pledges of secrecy to get more connected and more powerful. It certainly seems though at a minimum, they have an 'Elite Overwatching the Masses' philosophy as pretty central.. not really something you'd expect from a Democrat in an alleged Democracy.”
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Say Hillary, What About The Religious "Family" You Have Chosen To Be Part Of?

Commented Mar 27, 2008 at 03:54:35 in Politics

“Good for you Stephen (and others) for bringing this nonsense into the light. I guess if this cabal are really the Mason/ Club of Rome/ New World Order wannabees they appear to be, their exposure should result in the evaporation of Hillary's candidacy post haste! I generally take my conspiracy theories with a bag of salt, but there's just something downright unnerving about a global group of the connected and powerful taking pledges of secrecy to get more connected and more powerful. It certainly seems though at a minimum, they have an 'Elite Overwatching the Masses' philosophy as pretty central.. not really something you'd expect from a Democrat in an alleged Democracy.”
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Sen. Clinton's Own Religious Cult Includes Brownback, Santorum

Commented Mar 25, 2008 at 23:24:03 in Politics

“Yep. The "Fellowship" aka Family, National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation et al, seem to be a much bigger deal than Trinity Church by the sounds of things. Just like Freemasons but with Girls and Jesus. More here:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/secret_theocrats.html

Lyria on Mar 26, 2008 at 05:50:50

“OK. The last line in Sharlet's interview spooked me:

"GNN: Any fallout from the members?"

"SHARLET: I've talked to several who swear we are still friends. One guy did say, I'm paraphrasing, 'You're a traitor and you'll be dealt with as a traitor.' "

Rather reminiscent of ... I dunno .... Carville?”
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MSNBC Opens The Door On Hillary's Participation In The Family

Commented Mar 27, 2008 at 03:57:44 in Politics

“Good for you Stephen (and others) for bringing this nonsense to light. I guess if this cabal are really the Mason/ Club of Rome/ New World Order wannabees they appear to be, their exposure should result in the evaporation of Hillary's candidacy post haste! I generally take my conspiracy theories with a bag of salt, but there's just something downright unnerving about a global group of the connected and powerful taking pledges of secrecy to get more connected and more powerful. It certainly seems though at a minimum, they have an 'Elite Overwatching the Masses' philosophy as pretty central.. not really something you'd expect from a Democrat in an alleged Democracy.”
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Say Hillary, What About The Religious "Family" You Have Chosen To Be Part Of?

Commented Mar 27, 2008 at 03:54:35 in Politics

“Good for you Stephen (and others) for bringing this nonsense into the light. I guess if this cabal are really the Mason/ Club of Rome/ New World Order wannabees they appear to be, their exposure should result in the evaporation of Hillary's candidacy post haste! I generally take my conspiracy theories with a bag of salt, but there's just something downright unnerving about a global group of the connected and powerful taking pledges of secrecy to get more connected and more powerful. It certainly seems though at a minimum, they have an 'Elite Overwatching the Masses' philosophy as pretty central.. not really something you'd expect from a Democrat in an alleged Democracy.”
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Sen. Clinton's Own Religious Cult Includes Brownback, Santorum

Commented Mar 25, 2008 at 23:24:03 in Politics

“Yep. The "Fellowship" aka Family, National Committee for Christian Leadership, International Christian Leadership, the National Leadership Council, Fellowship House, the Fellowship Foundation, the National Fellowship Council, the International Foundation et al, seem to be a much bigger deal than Trinity Church by the sounds of things. Just like Freemasons but with Girls and Jesus. More here:

http://www.theocracywatch.org/secret_theocrats.html

Lyria on Mar 26, 2008 at 05:50:50

“OK. The last line in Sharlet's interview spooked me:

"GNN: Any fallout from the members?"

"SHARLET: I've talked to several who swear we are still friends. One guy did say, I'm paraphrasing, 'You're a traitor and you'll be dealt with as a traitor.' "

Rather reminiscent of ... I dunno .... Carville?”
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Nobody Puts Baby, or Barack, in the Corner

Commented Mar 7, 2008 at 14:25:43 in Politics

“Awesome post. One of my often-used expressions is that there's two types of people in the world: Those that remember what they were doing when Neil Armstrong did his thing, and the kids.. So I'm going to be a tad condescending, just cos it comes with the territory.

I'm actually a little disheartened that Obama hasn't been getting more votes amongst the young (which remains a disproportionately small percentage of turnout). If you guys with the passion and commitment that comes from youth only knew how far things had turned to the worse in my memory, you'd be screaming from the rooftops! I remember a time when every country in the world if they could possibly swing it, embraced the concept of socialized medicine and free higher education just because it was the right thing to do. There was a time when quaint ideas like the rule of law, equality of man and leading by example rather than force were widespread principles. Obama is leagues ahead of anyone else as a candidate to be sure and partly because he shows respect for these ideas. There are reasons why things like the Constitution, UN Charters and Geneva conventions exist. When they were written our common humanity trumped all other differences. A 'doctrine' of "Unilateral, Preemptive War"?! Torture?! WTF is that all about! Sending young people off to die for WHAT? Killing innocent women and children for WHAT?! Where is the goddamned OUTRAGE in this country?

Having said that, I applaud someone so young getting so involved.

Most people on the planet are your age or younger.

The future belongs to you. It's yours. Go take it.”
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Democratic Scorecard: The Lizard Brain Wins Again!

Commented Mar 6, 2008 at 14:30:51 in Politics

“100% on Arianna.

Clinton's strategy at this point can only be to show the super delegates that she's a 'real fighter'- willing to get as down and dirty to do whatever it takes to convince them she will win at any cost in the fall.. It can't be to win enough people, states or delegates.- that boat has sailed. Unless she's planning on winning 86% in Penn.or 62% of every remaining contest she can't even catch up to Obama's lead, let alone take a commanding one.

Forget the disgust of this tactic on it's face, and the fact that it blows a huge generational chance for the democrats. It's totally doomed to failure anyway as they can out-slime her versus McCain any day of the week. Shortsighted. Stupid.”
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The Real Problem With Reverend Hagee

Commented Mar 4, 2008 at 13:12:01 in Politics

“".., but if people start to get sucked up into the sky by Jesus, believe me, I'm listening". Hysterical!

These Christofascists know that the whole rapture/endtimes thing isn't 'real' right? That shit was just made up by some crazy Irishman century before last. I mean if you're going to believe in fairy tales then at least believe in the original ones.. The Catholics just put Revelations in there for some light relief at the end.

Hey.. did you ever realize that all the really silly religions.. the completely animal crackers laugh out loud ones.. (Evangelicalism ,Mormons, Scientology) are all American?. Kinda weird.

Thanks for the post.”
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Child Poverty

Commented Feb 29, 2008 at 03:14:50 in Politics

“Senator: Anyone who works on behalf of children is due enormous respect. They are of course the future. Children and the future are two things I care about deeply. It is within this context then that I must ask the following:

Why, unlike Senator Obama, did you vote 'no' on Senate amendment #4882 to ban the use of cluster bombs in civilian areas? I cannot believe that you are unaware that besides being indiscriminate weapons, they have a very high failure rate and that a disproportionately large percentage of these unexploded bomblets eventually claim the limbs and lives of children after the fact.

While I have your attention I might also inquire as to why you alone of all the Democratic nominees are unable to sign the American Freedom pledge to restore the United States Constitution?

There are other reasons I find support of your candidacy difficult, but absent explanation on these two issues make it impossible”
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Hillary Can Still Win It

Commented Feb 21, 2008 at 15:02:00 in Politics

“Way too little. Way too late. In hindsight the only way she could have done it (delegate/superdelegate monkey-business notwithstanding) would have been to somehow spin the 90's into some paragon of democracy in America, and to very actively promote the idea of a 'twofer'- a 'Go with what you Know' type deal. Might have worked with dems but would obviously pose problems otherwise.

Her camp's big mistake was setting themselves in opposition to Obama whereas camp Obama's genius was to set themselves in opposition to the entire system.
You just can't oppose optimism and hope. It comes across as pessimistic and hopeless.

Big mistake to use the phrase 'empty rhetoric'- made people turn around and say; "waitasecond.. that stuff is important!.."

Big mistake to push the 'experience/ accomplishments' thing- made people say "ok let's look at the record: hmm.. 20 bills about naming post offices in 6 yrs versus 150 about immigration, nuclear proliferation and government transparency in just 1 year... say what?"

Big mistake by letting phrases like 'latte-drinkin', prius-drivin' teenyboppers' (or whatever that idiot said) stand without correction- generally bad form to call people you want to vote for you names.

Biggest mistake of all to let your campaign self destruct during the process and to be apparently plan-free after super Tuesday- doesn't speak very well to management skills.”
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Who Are Red Letter Christians?

Commented Feb 16, 2008 at 14:37:14 in Politics

“"..we are trying to create a new movement that seeks to make faithfulness to Biblical Christianity an imperative for progressive politics."

hello?... Thomas Jefferson? "Wall of Separation between Church and State"? Do most peole even know there's meant to be one?

Wow.”

MrScooter on Feb 16, 2008 at 16:14:34

“"hello?... Thomas Jefferson? 'Wall of Separation between Church and State'? Do most peole[sic] even know there's meant to be one? Wow."

Most informed, well-read US citizens know that phrase originated in ltr fr/Pres Jeff to a CT Baptist church & that Justice Hugo Black decided in`47 that the metaphorical wall was actually an intended real wall—nuance indeed!—& that it was to kept high & impregnable. Of course, a plain reading of the 1st A denies this machination.

Hello!? Pubic education? Wow! {Hey, you leave the "l" out of "people," and I'll leave it out of "public."”

CrankyCurmudgeon on Feb 16, 2008 at 15:46:26

“He didn't say for government; he said for PROGRESSIVE politics (emphasis mine). As an atheist, and a secular Jew, I welcome anyone whose supports the struggle for human dignity for all. While I am uncomfortable with anyone who prosyletizes, I personally don't. Neither do I much care what others "believe", as long as they don't make my believing as they do a pre-condition to my acceptance and their respect for my brand of faith.

And, yes, I do have faith. I have faith that the universe is unfolding rather nicely, regardless of what I "believe". I don't need anyone else to agree with me. I do, however, need others to recognize the need for all of us to work together, as a family - a society - for the good of all. If someone who considers themselves a Red Letter Christian wants to work by my side in pursuing justice and dignity for all of us, I say more power to them.

Their relationship to the infinite (whether they choose to believe it is "God" or "Jesus") is of no concern to me, as long as they recognize and respect my beliefs. What I do care about is how they live their lives. Tony would be more than welcome in my house, and to stand beside me in our struggle for equality, peace, and justice.

Not so Cranky right now.”
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Why Inspiration Will Make Obama the Strongest Candidate in November - And a President that Can Lead a Progressive Realignment in America

Commented Feb 16, 2008 at 14:20:19 in Politics

“"Obama will continue the American Left's all-out push towards a Western European-model socialist democracy, with drastically increased governmental control over our lives. For many, that's just fine."

I wish!. I don't believe it'll ever fly in the US however.

Ever lived in a "Western European-model socialist democracy" there Mac? Didn't think so. I assume you live in the same country I do, Where the government can monitor my phone calls, is allegedly collecting all my email and internet activity, and where on Bush's say so alone I can be detained without trial or charge, in secret, forever. I don't think any of that would fly in Western Europe.”

mikekev58 on Feb 16, 2008 at 14:58:55

“Bullshit! Check out Britain's libel laws, their anti-terroist laws, along with other European nations. There's an American student being held in Italy for up to a year on suspicion of murder, without one iota of evidence tying her to the crime.
Despicable as Bush's tenure has been and threatening as it is to civil liberties, we will return to the Constitution in due time, as soon as the American people feel the outrage. At our best, we are the freest nation in the world; unfortunately we have not been at our best for quite some time.”
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Why Inspiration Will Make Obama the Strongest Candidate in November - And a President that Can Lead a Progressive Realignment in America

Commented Feb 16, 2008 at 14:04:02 in Politics

“No. Neither Clinton or Obama voted on it. No need to as It passed 68-29. Get your facts straight before 'contributing' to the debate.”

mikekev58 on Feb 16, 2008 at 15:02:03

“But Obama was on Capitol Hill, though. Criticize Hillary for not being there if you want, but The Uniter was there for the vote.”
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Why Hillary Clinton Still Matters

Commented Feb 16, 2008 at 13:37:59 in Politics

“"In many ways, Senator Clinton is to the left Senator Obama"

Apart from 'Universal health care' vs 'Almost Universal health care' that you mentioned _please_ explain how this is the case. It does seem to belie the opinions of many Progressive groups and individuals, the media in general and the Republican Party.

"Senator Obama, on the other hand, is a self-described conciliator".

We are clearly have very different readings on Obama's stance regarding his term 'post-partisan'.

You also don't mention Clinton's negatives amongst the electorate, and Obama's ability to appeal to crossover/new voters. In the larger scheme of things this is clearly to the long term benefit of the country, and obviously the _only difference that matters_ if those voters are the difference between victory and defeat in the election.

If I thought there was a real chance of anyone being elected that could kick ass, take names, punish the wicked and effect sweeping change _without_ a huge groundswell of public opinion and engagement in the process, I'd be all over that candidate like white on rice. I just don't see it in Hillary.”

WAdem on Feb 16, 2008 at 16:16:44

“RE: Clinton's negatives
1. Name them, please, and do avoid GOP spin.
2. Do you honestly think Rove won't trash Obama thru a 527 group?
3. How will his negatives look after these attacks?
4. Will they parallel Harold Ford Jr's?”

MPeter on Feb 16, 2008 at 15:46:50

“The fact is, most America do not think Hillary matters. Not even Bill. Their time is long gone. Hillary will cost us this election. Here is why, as Lawrence Lansig explains plainly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq7VCQO5siU

HAP on Feb 16, 2008 at 15:40:24

“Senator Clinton is less progressive than Barack Obama. A cursory examination of their legislative records (e.g. as tabulated by National Journal) and their statements on Iraq make this clear.
Barack Obama came from nowhere to become the dominant politician in Chicago and Illinois. This is a tough town. He could not have done that without the ability to give and take hard blows when necessary.”
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Why Inspiration Will Make Obama the Strongest Candidate in November - And a President that Can Lead a Progressive Realignment in America

Commented Feb 15, 2008 at 15:13:08 in Politics

“This is a Great post, particularly: "Obama's attraction to swing voters isn't that he promises to "compromise" with the right -- or adopt right wing values. It is that he inspires them with the traditional progressive values:" I wish more people here would get the difference between "bi-partisan" and "post-partisan." Thanks for this.”
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When is a Campaign a "Movement"? (Never!)

Commented Feb 15, 2008 at 13:47:22 in Politics

“Oh, it's a movement all right, and maybe some mischaracterize it as an 'Obama' movement. Personally I feel he's just tapped into the wellspring of need for change and optimism in this country. It's about regular citizens having some say in their country as the founders intended. It's about people being part of their government and not the victims of it. It's about how a deeply unpopular administration can still do whatever the hell it wants and people feel powerless to stop it. It's about how Dems in congress can be swept to power with a clear mandate to end the war and get some checks and balances happening, and then the next week decide that their mandate was to actually to 'get along'. It's about how no one in this country wants our young people dying by the day for a set of utter fabrications, and yet it continues.. The selection of the figure at the top of the US govt. is clearly the most potent statement of these desires, but I agree wholeheartedly that it should not, must not, stop with the election for President but only start with that.”
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Screw Unity...We Will Never Vote For The Clintons Again

Commented Feb 15, 2008 at 12:38:21 in Politics

“Guys, guys, guys.. Personally I think that the Voters and Superdelegates, and maybe even Clinton herself, will recognize that Obama represents the best thing to happen to the Democrats for a long time and it will be a Republican rout in the general. Assume though, that enough people feel as you do and they somehow squeak in.. Imagine the horror. This will be immediately spun as a 'mandate' and they'll gleefully look at it and think "Well, if they voted for us after _Bush_, who knows what's possible?". It won't be Bush/Cheney- it'll be Bush/Cheney squared! Honestly I can't think of a more nightmarish scenario and we'll look back and long for the day when it was just a question of the Constitution being shredded and enemies being tortured.. Should Hillary get the nomination (apart from representing at least the wish of a substantial number of Dems), you don't need to like her, you don't need to think she's the best candidate, but you just _have_ to vote against the Republicans (as you've articulated, your vote to the Greens would be a vote against Democrats, not Republicans). Please, please reconsider sometime between now and then.”

rwilliams1961 on Feb 15, 2008 at 17:36:54

“Honey, you have no idea how many of us feel the way the author does.

I'm a Yellow Dog Dem, but there is no way I'll vote for Hillary. Another 4-8 years of the Clinton drama? Hell, no. I'd give the Republicans four more years and then come in with a candidate that can re-align the party and get it on the good path, if Hillary is the nominee.

Who in their right mind would want another four of Bill and Hillary?

I thought long and hard about moving to Canada these past few years. But I kept telling myself that this is my country, and I would stick it out till we could elect a Democrat, a reasonable president who would put the people ahead of their own petty interests. That ain't Hillary.

Viva Obama! If not him, Viva anybody but Hillary.

Where is Ann Richards when you need her. (God bless ya, Ann. Wish you were here.)”
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Reality Bites: Swing-State Math

Commented Feb 14, 2008 at 18:24:12 in Politics

“I'm assuming you actually meant to respond to my post.

It's clear from your previous posts where your priorities are. You assumed I was talking about Obama (I sure hope I was, but your assumption is interesting). My post stands regardless of who gets the nomination. Those will be the issues. If Hillary gets it she would be worse than foolish to to not immediately adopt as much of Obama's rhetoric as she was able to pull off.

To me "utterly naive" would be thinking there's a shred of relevance to political campaigns run by people who've been dead longer than almost everyone on the planet has been alive.

Peace.”
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Reality Bites: Swing-State Math

Commented Feb 14, 2008 at 15:23:07 in Politics

“Respectfully, you don't get it. This is 'politics as usual' thinking. If there wasn't a new paradigm in play now Obama would be long gone. The General is going to be about New vs Old, War vs Peace, Aspirations vs Fear, Bush vs Not Bush. These are not red/blue issues. Look at the interest. Look at the turnout. Look at the crossovers. McCain will lose.”

getrealalready on Feb 14, 2008 at 19:50:20

“Yep yep yep. I'm not worried about it. It's OK not to worry about it. Yesterday's gone. The Dems will win. Those who see clearly don't stay pinned under a tire.”

jane1 on Feb 14, 2008 at 15:46:58

“Excuse me, are we living in a different country? You cannot ignore your history, this ignorance will get us nowhere. One of Obama's speechwriters is Ted Sorensen, who also was a speechwriter for JFK. JFK did not win AL, CO, ID, KS, MO, ND, or UT (to name a few) for goodness sakes, even with all the "feel good" speeches. KS and ND (off the top of my head) did not even vote for FDR. You are utterly naive to ignore these facts. This is NOT cynical, this is reality and history. Obama is a politician, NOT a movement. He is held up by Wall Street and has a questionable rise to office and past. Do not be foolish, just think.”
Ex-GOP Candidate Romney Endorses McCain

Ex-GOP Candidate Romney Endorses McCain

Commented Feb 14, 2008 at 14:32:32 in Politics

“Nice photo... but why did they leave out Dorothy and Toto?”
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Battle-Tested

Commented Feb 14, 2008 at 12:36:11 in Politics

“unny. I had a lot of respect for Wilson and Plame, but find most of this rediculous. A full response would strain resources so I'll leave it at this:

"In mischaracterizing the debate on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force as a declaration of war, he implicitly blames Democrats for George Bush's war of choice" --

Hell, YES! Arguing about the 'mischaracterizing' of Hillary's and the rest of the congress' support for the invasion misses the point COMPLETELY (and I suspect deliberately). The point is, one Obama makes at every opportunity, that the use of military force again Iraq was even being CONSIDERED by the congress was totally bogus! NO WMD.. NO link to 9/11.. Hussein-Bin Laden trying to kill each other.. Rumsfeld instructing to find link between them on 9/12 .. Bush planning to invade in 2000. etc etc.. Christ on a bike, everyone knew what was going on! Wilson and Plame knew it. Hillary knew it. Wes Clark and Gore knew it. Blix and Ritter knew it. Powell knew it. Bush sure as shit knew it. I'm just some idiot who can read English and _I_ knew it.

The Shrub might as well have said "We were horribly attacked on 9/11. Let's go invade Iceland" and it would have been just as much bullshit! Enough of this "I didn't think voting for the authorization meant a rush to war" garbage. Of course it was. The fact that it was before congress at all defines it as such.”

Tazz on Feb 18, 2008 at 12:42:45

“Oh please, everyone knows those votes for the Iraq war and Iran were her bon fides for war.

And the fact that Obama lies about that is disingenuous, especially when his SHARED votes w/Hillary to fund the war are HIS BONA FIDES for war!

And anyone saying any differently....is a liar!

Obama included!”
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Politics as Transcendence

Commented Feb 14, 2008 at 02:27:29 in Politics

“YES! That's you and Zogby so far who seem to actually GET it.

With Hillary it would be all about Hillary: About Hillary; or Bill; or who could get what passed how via what machinations and tradeoffs and party politics as usual. That's one way to get things done.

With Obama, it's not so much about Obama. It's about the idea of him, the symbol of him. It's about the movement behind him. It's about the people again having their voice. Obama himself is just the hood ornament. It's no more about him than say, the civil rights movement was about MLK or the end of the Raj was about Ghandi. They however represent another way of getting things done.

The 'Cult of Personality' critiques are from those who can't see past the first way. I ask that they open their minds.”
Some Serious Warning Signs For John McCain

Some Serious Warning Signs For John McCain

Commented Feb 13, 2008 at 05:23:11 in Politics

“At this point I say McCain has no chance. The GOP as defined by the last 8 years is finished- stick a stake in em, they're done! The Neocons are dead forever with any luck. The republican base doesn't know which end is up, and the best they can do is a cranky geriatric who mentions being a POW every chance he gets and a clown who doesn't believe in evolution.. I mean c'mon!.. Even with the Democratic bickering, progressives should feel pretty darn good.. The current frontrunner would have been insanely risky even a short time ago, is the most liberal senator we've got, AND beats McCain in a head to head nationally. Even if the Republican base gets its act together, it's still only going to represent the same folks it always did.. The whackos always vote- the democrats don't.

More voters voting = country moves left. Simple as that.

A popular, galvanic leader on one hand and a pack of criminals having run the show for the last two terms on the other, and you have the recipe for the beginnings of truly progressive change in this country. By the time my youngest is in high school the US might be recognizable again.”
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Sexism and a Woman's Vote

Commented Feb 13, 2008 at 03:33:40 in Politics

“So what you're saying is that your desire to vote due to your shared experiences as women outweighed your desire to vote for your preferred candidate.

Sounds like textbook sexism to me.

Make no mistake- If Obama doesn't win this thing, and Clinton loses the General, and we get a President McCain, it will be because of people doing just what you did. Think on that.”
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