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Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:12:30 in Green

“Ok, I'll wait....still waiting...is the sinkhole there yet? Dang, I hate waiting...can't it just happen sooner?”
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:11:16 in Green

“"if it breaks up the shale, the gas travels up along strikes and along the outside of the well casing and enters into water supplies"

Wrong. The gas will flow from high to low pressure. Low pressure inside the production tubing string, high pressure in the shale formation. Simple physics.”

IPredictARiot on Nov 11, 2011 at 13:44:45

“Yes, and what about the gas that doesn't make it into the production tubing string? You think every inch of every fractured shale drains where the engineer wants it to?”
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:08:28 in Green

“Did you know that there are thousands upon thousands of coal seams burning underground NATURALLY and have been for millions of years? That's where klinker comes from.”

Acebass on Nov 11, 2011 at 13:41:16

“link?”
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:06:43 in Green

“Earth, including its rock layers, is a dynamic system, constantly changing. Not static. Everyone always seems to think we should try to keep our environment in a static state; we can't.”
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:05:20 in Green

“That's how I feel about flying like Peter Pan. Just because it hasn't happened doesn't mean it won't! Wheee...it will be so much fun!”

Acebass on Nov 11, 2011 at 13:05:16

“I'm surprised in the least.”
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:01:07 in Green

“That assumes that they will enter the aquifers. What if they don't?”

jb6789 on Nov 11, 2011 at 17:41:08

“Well, here's an example where a gas fracking mistake didn't damage an aquifer:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidoarjo_mud_flow
Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Fracking Impacts Could Be 'Excessive,' Federal Advisory Panel Warns

Commented Nov 11, 2011 at 13:00:11 in Green

“I've often watched Mark Ruffalo in movies and thought, "I wonder what his views are on hydraulic fracturing..."”

PureEnergy on Nov 11, 2011 at 14:33:22

“Most people know him as Mark Ruffalo, but his real name is Mark Rison.”
Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Commented May 11, 2011 at 14:17:17 in Green

“I did some research, and found this article:

http://www.propublica.org/article/officials-in-three-states-pin-water-woes-on-gas-drilling-426

"The researchers did not conclude that gas and fluids were migrating directly from the deep pockets of gas the industry was extracting. In fact, they said it was more likely that the gas originated from a weakness somewhere along the well's structure."

That is a direct quote from the article. The only other reference I could find was about how a "spill" of fracking fluid from a surface tank had contaminated streams around Dimock. So fracking was indirectly the cause of that contamination, because the fluid was sitting in the tank to be used in fracking operations, but the contamination wasn't caused by the fracking process itself.”
Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Commented May 11, 2011 at 09:32:24 in Green

“Still no evidence directly linking "fracking" to gas in the water. Could be casing leaks in the gas wells. If fracking is the cause, why is there no trace of frack fluid in the water?”
Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Commented May 11, 2011 at 09:28:55 in Green

“Mainly because there are no natural gas bearing formations in Yellowstone.”
Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Fracking Linked To Methane In Flammable Drinking Water For First Time In Scientific Study

Commented May 11, 2011 at 09:27:33 in Green

“Then why haven't they found any traces of the frack fluid in drinking water?”

Aries Warrior on May 11, 2011 at 11:05:54

“they have...

Research Dimock,Pa...they contaminated the entire town`s water supply.”
How The Grand Canyon Was Formed: Anomaly Gives New Clues

How The Grand Canyon Was Formed: Anomaly Gives New Clues

Commented Apr 28, 2011 at 09:46:22 in Green

“Whaa? Occam's razor: the simplest solution is usually the right one.”

rjhuntington on Apr 28, 2011 at 11:14:33

“That actually is the simplest explanation, as counterintuitive as that surely seems.”
How The Grand Canyon Was Formed: Anomaly Gives New Clues

How The Grand Canyon Was Formed: Anomaly Gives New Clues

Commented Apr 28, 2011 at 09:43:05 in Green

“Water created the Grand Canyon. It's the question of what caused the uplift that created the accomodation for such deep erosion.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 13:32:47 in Green

“With a tax, right? EPA can't levy taxes.”
'Biosphere 2,' Human Terrarium, Enters New Phase Of Research 20 Years Later (VIDEO)

'Biosphere 2,' Human Terrarium, Enters New Phase Of Research 20 Years Later (VIDEO)

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 11:02:59 in Green

“What is the point of Biosphere?”

allison77 on Apr 26, 2011 at 13:59:10

“I suggest you read the article. That'll probably answer your question.”

pragmat on Apr 26, 2011 at 12:41:36

“To prove how important the Earth is.”

rjmtx on Apr 26, 2011 at 11:29:25

“Use your friend Google. There's plenty out thee about it.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 11:01:01 in Green

“Seems the only way to price that into the market is through a tax on natural gas. No single operator is going to raise their natural gas price in order to pay for future environmental cleanup. If they do, then consumers will buy their gas elsewhere. If regulations required extra expenditure on a per well or per developemtn basis for future environmental cleanup, I imagine it would make most if not all shale gas operations marginal to uneconomic and the companies would go away to do something more profitable somewhere else. Every other country on earth seems to be scrambling now to identify potential shale gas deposits that they can tap, so I wouldn't be surprised to see companies pick up and go away if our governement decides to add extra cost to the cost of drilling and extracting shale gas in the US.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 10:31:08 in Green

“The bore hole is not sealed? I'm pretty sure EVERY state requires aquifers to be sealed behind at least one layer of casing before any completion of oil/gas reservoirs of any kind takes place in the wellbore. Please show me regulations that allow drillers in PA to NOT case off fresh water aquifers.”

Genders on Apr 26, 2011 at 14:43:39

“True for a finished well. During drilling there are considerable lengths that are not cased, till later. High pressure fluids can go around the casing, and fracking makes that worse. http://www.sereneenergy.org/Special-Kicks-Problems--and--Procedure.php

The casings of old and Abandoned wells, deteriorate, leading to intermixing of the layers. Unwanted intermediate high pressure layers will then find their way into lower pressure areas. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/04/abandoned-oil-gas-wells-water_n_844662.html
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 10:27:36 in Green

“How are natural gas prices "artificially" low? Are there price supports for natural gas? I thought supply and demand, or at least the perception of both, were the major drivers on commodity prices?”

abbienormal on Apr 26, 2011 at 21:32:30

“The EPA can regulate and impose fines and penalties for violations. More importantly, it can refuse permits.”

abbienormal on Apr 26, 2011 at 12:01:03

“Well, that is the point. The costs of extraction may exceed the benefits of having the additional gas. That is the discussion that we need to have within our states and our country. But, the only way that we can have that discussion is to fully load the cost of extraction. That is the purpose of the EPA. They do cost/benefit analyses but sometimes way, way too late.”

abbienormal on Apr 26, 2011 at 10:44:53

“Because the gas companies do not have to pay for the environmental damage that they do. Their legal departments combined with our weak regulations make sure that is the case.

Externalities such as these are not priced in the market appropriately.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 10:24:36 in Green

“Not sure what $5 gasoline has to do with natural gas drilling.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 10:21:43 in Green

“Did yiou read the article?

"Among major gas-producing states, Pennsylvania is the only one that allowed the bulk of its well brine to be treated and dumped in rivers and streams. Other states required it to be injected into deep underground shafts"

Apart from the obvious error regarding "deep underground shafts" (as if Ohio has extensive mining shafts 10,000 feet below the surface), the article clearly states that the practice in question is allowed by PA regulations. If it is breaking federal law, why aren't the feds investigating and/or prosecuting?”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 10:16:09 in Green

“I have seen Gasland, and it was a well-made and thought provoking movie. And it does present issues that need to be addressed by industry and regulatory bodies. But it also presents as "fact" a number of cases that have been proven to be unrelated to shale gas drilling and hydraulic fracturing. While I commend the film makers on bringing the issues to the forefront of peoples minds, I do not ever consider a movie that is made primarily to generate revenue as a scientific report. Movies can present anything as fact and are not required to fact-check or be peer reviewed. Interviews with landowners tell the landowners story as the landowner wants it presented, and the landowner has an agenda just as much as anyone.

"There's methane in my drinking water, and there is a hydraulically fractured gas well nearby, so hydraulic fracturing must be the cause of the methane in my drinking water." That's an easy claim to make, but a real "report" would attempt to ascertain through chemical analyses whether the methane could have come from the well or wells in question. Reports should contain data and analysis of those data, not just accusations and interviews.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 09:38:36 in Green

“There is no regulation in PA for them to skirt. PA needs to get it together and actually put some regulations in place.”

aligatorhardt on Apr 26, 2011 at 09:59:30

“Federal EPA and Clean Water Act regulations override all jurisdictions, except for the Cheney loophole.”
Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Pennsylvania Official: End Nears For Fracking Wastewater Releases

Commented Apr 26, 2011 at 09:36:12 in Green

“Gasland is a movie, not a "report".”

aligatorhardt on Apr 26, 2011 at 09:56:52

“Gasland is a fact based documentary. The testimonials are from the actual victims of damages. The photographs are verified. There are interviews with landowners. The credits show references. Have you seen it? Do you deny that the damages in Pennsylvania are real?”
'Fracking' Report: Carcinogens Injected Into Wells, House Democrats Say

'Fracking' Report: Carcinogens Injected Into Wells, House Democrats Say

Commented Apr 18, 2011 at 18:37:50 in Green

“I don't know whether it is true or not, that's exactly my point. Order me up a glass and I will send it off for testing of against a sample of frac fluid used in nearby wells, and then when I have analyzed the results I will be able to make up my own mind based on actual data whether or not hydraulic fracturing may have had anything to do with it. And if its clean, I'll drink it.”

Thomas Earl on Apr 18, 2011 at 20:16:50

“Careful Droog - you are asking for facts and data before drawing conclusions and it would appear as anathema to many posters. The very first sentence in the article states POTENTIALLY yet these people have children erupting in boils and dying in mass graves. Check the ground water - if the compounds ARE dangerous AND are present in the ground water then the company needs to be shut down until they can devise a method that does not contaminate the ground water.

It is similar to an event that happened in the US Navy many years ago when the man in charge of it, Admiral Hyman Rickover was challenged regarding the safety of the secondary coolant in a Navy reactor. To demonstrate he drank a glass.....”
'Fracking' Report: Carcinogens Injected Into Wells, House Democrats Say

'Fracking' Report: Carcinogens Injected Into Wells, House Democrats Say

Commented Apr 18, 2011 at 18:34:46 in Green

“Testy eh? Admitted? I'm posting online, not being deposed.

And I don't consider a documentary film, i.e. something made for entertainment purposes and to make money, as a reputable source of information, but rather a source of entertainment. Especially since some of the claims made in the film have turned out to be bogus. While I agree the film is well-done and thought provoking, I believe it is naive to take as truth something that is presented in a film.

I am not a paid poster, and I do work peripherally in the oil and gas industry. And I'm not arguing "only bad things happened when there were poor regulations" because I know there are casing leaks in many wells that have been drilled recently. My argument is that alarm bells are going off all over the place and people are marching against "fracking" when nobody has yet investigated and reported its adverse effects, if indeed there are any. I tend to make decisions about what I support or oppose after I have examined actual evidence from reputable sources, not movies.”
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