“The Point Being - it was not voter fraud because nobody went to the polls with fraudulent ID's or Names to vote.
Acorn's low paid workers made up names on their registration forms to get a higher pay check.
These made of names were not persons who could vote, they were pencil or pen marks on a piece of paper.
The RepubliCons are doing their best to disenfranchise voters because the have nothing to offer anyone who makes under $200,000 dollars a year.
And only a minute tax break at that monetary level, the real fleecing of the 99% will funnel up to the millionaires and billionaires unabated if Romney is elected. ”
waypointc on Sep 21, 2012 at 09:18:43
“The real point being that fraudulent registrations enable voter fraud, and since we can't (nor should we be able to!) determine who cast which vote, it's very difficult to find fraud.
The only practical way is prevention at the point of registration, rather than after the fact, or at the point where the voter picks up his ballot.”
“Ever notice how, when RepubliCon politicians make mistakes in their careers, they are invariably the victims. They are never at fault, hel* G.W. even said 'he' never made a mistake. It's hard to believe for normal persons but these politicians are so emotionally immature and stunted they can't admit to any human failing. And they use God as their justification for their petty and self-serving actions.”
The McCain-Palin campaign accuses ACORN, a community activist group that operates nationwide, of perpetrating "massive voter fraud."
Neither ACORN nor its employees have been found guilty of, or even charged with, casting fraudulent votes.
What a McCain-Palin Web ad calls "voter fraud" is actually voter registration fraud.
Several ACORN canvassers have been found guilty of faking registration forms and others are being investigated.
But the evidence that has surfaced so far shows they faked forms to get paid for work they didn’t do, not to stuff ballot boxes.
But so far ACORN itself has not been officially charged with any fraud. Aside from the heated charges and counter-charges, no evidence has yet surfaced to show that the ACORN employees who submitted fraudulent registration forms intended to pave the way for illegal voting.
Rather, they were trying to get paid by ACORN for doing no work. Dan Satterberg, the Republican prosecuting attorney in King County, Wash., where the largest ACORN case to date was prosecuted, said that the indicted ACORN employees were shirking responsibility, not plotting election fraud.
The $8-an-hour employees were charged with providing false information on voter registration forms, and in one case with making a false statement to a public official. Five of the seven who were charged pleaded guilty. ACORN was fined for exercising insufficient oversight, but it was not charged with masterminding any kind of deliberate fraud.”
waypointc on Sep 19, 2012 at 09:17:13
“By the way, the whole ACORN matter wasn't the point, so much as that fraudulent registrations DO happen, in significant numbers. You're not going to catch fraudulent voters, so claiming that "it doesn't happen," is nonsensical. There's no way to investigate it.
waypointc on Sep 19, 2012 at 09:15:42
“I think that if you actually read the article, you'd find some convictions.
I notice that ACORN is still in action and wildly successful, nowadays, as well.
“I believe that any person who earns less than a hundred
thousand dollars a year and supports reactionary politicians like Romney, surely has some serious emotional and
spiritual issues that override faith, hope and compassion for humanity,
as well as their own self-preservation...and I doubt you earn a hundred thousand a year. Maybe you should consider Facts! You are voting against you own self-interest.”
“Good on ya Supreme Court, stop the rabid disenfranchisement of voters by the RepubliCons. This is just another 'Con; job by the RepubliCons.
And the assertion that "scores of individuals in Minnesota have been convicted of voter fraud related to the 2008 election" below is a LIE.
It's from a new book by The Wall Street Journal’s John Fund and George W. Bush Justice Department attorney Hans von Spakovsky—is that it is not just factually wrong, according to Minnesota Supreme Court records, the Minnesota prosecutor who investigated most of the cases, and some of the country’s top election scholars, but it is intended to rile a segment of the Right that thinks it is patriotic to demonize voting by non-whites and disrupt voting for everyone else.
“There is no basis in fact, whatsoever, in these inaccuracies propagated by the Minnesota Majority here, none,” Hennepin County Attorney Mike Freeman said Wednesday. “After the most closely scrutinized election in Minnesota history in 2008, there were zero cases of fraud. Even the Republicans lawyers acknowledged that there was no systematic effort to defraud the election, none.”
“In Hennepin County, 650,000 people voted,” he continued. “The Minnesota Majority presented us with 1,500 cases that they felt there were problems with voting. Our own election bureau gave us 100. We charged 38 cases. And all but one of them are felons voting who were still under the penalty [of not legally applying to regain individual voting rights]. There was no fraud.””
When I drive past shabby little cottages along the muddy river bottom
flood plains, I often see political signs posted by owners supporting
politicians who are determined to eliminate Social Security, Medicare,
public school education and on job safety expenses for their financial
masters. I know that the householders must have compatible anxious world
views or have become bewildered and seduced by the flood of television
advertising that persuades them to commit political suicide for an
aristocracy that doesn't even acknowledge their right to exist. Many of
the middle class are confused and seduced by this same propaganda. And I
cannot help thinking that any person who earns less than a hundred
thousand dollars a year and supports reactionary political, religious
and financial manipulators, surely has some serious emotional and
spiritual issues that override faith, hope and compassion for humanity,
as well as their own self-preservation. They may find themselves in the
position of Lutheran theologian Bonnhoffer who said -When the Nazis came for the Jews - I said nothing because I wasn't a Jew.When they came for the Jehovah's witnesses I was silent because I wasn't one.When they came for the Catholics - well -- I wasn't one of them either.When they came for me - there was no one left to protest.
“Well, my friend I hope the 'sex slaves part' is a Joke. But to these wicked users that's one of their fantasies. Control and power are part of their issues but they use perverse rationalizations to explain their endless grubbing for money and power.”
“Romney was talking to 'his people' most the users and abusers of society. The ideological plutocrats, Vulture corporatists, reactionary politicians, fundamental preachers and those grubbing for crumbs dropped by these true believers who yearn to funnel more wealth to themselves for their own selfish reasons.
They yearn to eliminate all taxes on the rich and powerful in order to increase their wealth and power as spelled out by William Kristal in the Neo-Con manifesto - especially when the reduction ends our support of useless persons who cannot contribute to the gross national product by serving the aristocracy.
The useless persons of the 47% Romney despises are the elderly who worked and paid into social security all their lives. Those who make less the $20,000 a year and are virtually poor. The troops who Romney 'Forgot' To mention at the Republican convention this year and the sick or disabled unable to work who receive Medicaid; and children who are mentally or physically disabled.
Romney's reported tax returns were only 13% for the last two years and he refuses to release any more so bets are he paid much less in other years. Walmart workers pay more taxes. And many uninformed voters buy into the lies concealed from them by clever television propaganda about patriotism, religious faith and the promised creation of jobs because of lower taxes. It's 1890 all over again as they concoct all kinds of idiotic rationalizations that make their ruthless greed seem like something noble to the naive.”
fforum on Sep 18, 2012 at 16:06:02
“Thanks, F & F”
fforum on Sep 18, 2012 at 16:05:31
“F & F”
fforum on Sep 18, 2012 at 16:04:52
annekeb68 on Sep 18, 2012 at 15:44:41
“Excellent comment! As a Wal Mart cashier myself, I come across people all day long who pay with EBT and disability cards for their groceries and this is one of the reddest areas in all of California. Most people here express their disdain for the president whether or not their opinion is solicited.”
“He's a hypocrite and a fraud, and you can bet his daughters are on birth control unless he warped them so completely while they were growing up.. they aren't normal 21st century women. And he would deny birth control to other women. Those who aren't rich and privileged like his children.”
“This is just another dog whistle shoveled at fearful and uninformed voter to persuade them to vote against their own interests. Let's see, it's gays, Uppity women who want to control their own reproductive rights; the hordes from Mexico; of course African Americans; and now the elite, smart people. I noticed he didn't say rich people or corporations, no the 1% would never interfere with 'YOUR' life. The rich elite and corporations bust unions, start preemptive wars, torture, crash the economy, don't pay their share of taxes, etc. But it's the 'Smart' people you must hate.”
“Well said. They want their followers to fear "smart people" because we will tell them the truth. We can quote facts to debunk all the lies they have been told. We don't believe the fairy tales being told on Fox. And we won't vote for GOP.
“Oh My! Romney said: " I am not reducing taxes on high income taxpayers."
Actually: Romney’s plan, in reality, would provide the very richest Americans a $264,000 tax break. It also maintains current tax rates on investments that are otherwise set to expire at the end of the year, and it eliminates the estate tax, paid by only the richest one-quarter of one percent of Americans.
Romney is apparently arguing that he will raise enough revenue through the elimination of tax loopholes that benefit the rich to totally offset the tax cut he provides them, though an analysis from the Tax Policy Center found that to be a mathematical impossibility. There simply isn’t enough revenue to be generated through the closure of those loopholes to offset the massive cost of Romney’s plan, and even if it was possible, Romney again declined to provide host David Gregory a single loophole he would favor closing.
Romney also repeated that he would both balance the budget and reduce taxes on middle-income Americans, another mathematical impossibility. To provide the full tax cut, Romney would have to either abandon his pledge to maintain current revenue levels or raise taxes on middle-class families by as much as $2,000. Doing both, as Romney asserts he will, violates elementary laws of arithmetic. Read: http://thinkprogress.org