“He lies so convincingly. Scary. Like he has no soul at all.”
DylanfromSantaCruz on May 8, 2012 at 19:07:18
“Willard is a genuine psychopath...this sort of thing comes very, very easy to him. The terms "sociopath" and psychopath are essentially interchangeable, when they are applied to someone like Willard."”
What makes this really great is that it is an example of American society flexible enough to tolerate the beliefs of others without having to drink their particular brand of kool-aid. I give it 5 out of 5 stars for good manners and common sense -- two qualities that seem to be in short supply lately.”
BDinJoburg on May 5, 2012 at 10:02:45
“Good manners and common sense have somehow become devalued in many societies. These seem almost "old fashioned" ideals.
I am not making the observation only as a way to say "get off my lawn".
A series such as "Jackass" and celebrities such as Snookie and Kim Kardashian are rewarded for their bad manners and poor judgement. This was not always so.
Against this trend is the diversity of Hamtrack as published in the NYT article:
“People here have to work out their difficulties,” said Mayor Karen Majewski, an ethnic historian and Hungarian folk dancer. “There’s no opportunity to hide in your cul-de-sac.”
“Twenty years ago, parents used to pull fifth-grade girls out of school for arranged marriages,”... “Now these same girls are going to college”.
I do not in any way endorse the treatment of women as lesser than men yet what is evident here is that a community in economic distress has preferred to take the high road of tolerance and progression rather than ill manners, irrational stereotyping and discarding the value of about half their population.
IMO the critics of this prom neither understand the context nor care to. They are not only intellectually lazy but often hypocritical in their outrage (does a prom now need official sanction? How is that small government?)
Most certainly the critics are out of line.”
llisa on May 5, 2012 at 00:31:19
Spock on May 4, 2012 at 16:35:32
“Speaking of drinking kool-aid, It would have been better if they defied the backward tenets of their religion and attended prom normally.”
“You are absolutely right! People who claim that mothers who stay at home are working mothers are just delusional. If that were true, we wouldn't use the term "working mother" to differentiate mothers who work for money to mothers who don't.”
“Oh PuhLeaze! A woman married to a man with 200 million dollars does NOT do housework or full-time child care. How many maids and nannies did she have? How many chauffeurs and groundskeepers? Do you really think she does the grocery shopping and cooking?
Yes. Let's all cry for the poor little rich mother. Boo Hoo.”
karlbmiles on Apr 12, 2012 at 17:04:29
“Nobody is asking you to cry for her, just don't insult her.”
“Like my daddy says -- you can't argue with willful blindness.
JacksonJones on Feb 7, 2012 at 20:02:52
“Maybe you can ask your daddy about it if you can't decide.”
JacksonJones on Feb 7, 2012 at 20:02:29
“When you say "willful blindness" does that include failing to see things that are *clearly* written in the article? For example, the article discusses a warning that tourists that are dressed immodestly may be met with nastiness in "certain neighborhoods." So when someone ignores that and insists that such things happen "everywhere," and it is quite plainly seen that such person can actually read, is that a case of "willful blindness"?”
“Why do you insist on repeating that modest dress is ONLY required in a religious building? The article is about violence against female tourists just about everywhere. Please try to stay on point.
Plus, you should note that according to the article modest dress means a woman has ONLY her hands and face exposed. The hijab does the exact same thing.
Religion is the poison behind 90 percent of the violence in the middle east.”
Benignuman on Feb 9, 2012 at 14:23:43
“Apparently your hatred of religion has poisoned your reading. The modest dress is required in a few Ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods, not "just about everywhere."
Although the article does say that Ultra-Orthodox only leave the face and hands exposed, that is (a) not accurate and (b) not viewed as applicable to visitors to their community. They expect sleeves to the elbows, skirts to the knees and no cleavage. If a women is wearing a halter top they will hand out shawls.
Finally in the vast, vast majority of cases there is no violence against anyone. I lived in one of these neighborhoods for two years with tourists passing through on a daily basis and I never saw any violence against people immodestly dressed.”
soodeeell on Feb 8, 2012 at 15:36:46
“The State Department recommendation is dress appropriately when visiting the Old City and ultra-orthodox Jewish neighborhoods.
This is fairly mild compared to recommendations for travel to other countries. For example, Re: travel to Saudi Arabia they advise that "religious police have accosted or arrested foreigners, including U.S. citizens, for improper dress". Re: Travel to UAE they say "Travelers have been sentenced to lengthy jail terms for kissing in public." Re: travel to Turkey they want you to know that "there have been several instances of violence targeting Christians in Turkey." In India they recommend that "If you are a woman traveling in India, you are advised to respect conservative local dress and customs."”
RockyMissouri on Feb 8, 2012 at 10:56:38
“Religion has ALWAYS been the poison.... And yet, many faiths have coexisted until something changes the balance....”
Gui Montag on Feb 8, 2012 at 09:17:37
“"The article is about violence against female tourists just about everywhere."
No it's not. Did you read it?”
Json on Feb 8, 2012 at 09:11:56
“"Why do you insist on repeating that modest dress is ONLY required in a religious building? The article is about violence against female tourists just about everywhere. "
Wrong. Maybe read it again...?”
50Yard on Feb 7, 2012 at 23:17:14
“"Why do you insist on repeating that modest dress is ONLY required in a religious building? The article is about violence against female tourists just about everywhere. Please try to stay on point."
Here are some excerpt from the article, it's about Jerusalem and Beit Shemesh ONLY. Even though the words are in front of you, black on white, you are still attempting to trash the entire country. Note your post "just about everywhere"
"JERUSALEM (RNS) The U.S. State Department is advising visitors to Jerusalem to dress modestly when visiting certain neighborhoods, or to avoid the areas entirely, in hopes of not provoking local sensitivities."
"In Beit Shemesh, a city between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv, extremists have attacked religious schoolgirls on their way to school, deeming them not religious enough."”
JacksonJones on Feb 7, 2012 at 19:51:14
“"Why do you insist on repeating that modest dress is ONLY required in a religious building?"
I haven't insisted that at all.
"The article is about violence against female tourists just about everywhere.
Please try to stay on point."
Sorry, but where does it say that it is about " violence against female tourists just about everywhere"? You appear to be mistaken.
In fact, it has occurred in a small number of neighborhoods in which very reclusive communities live. It does not happen everywhere, and the article discusses that the "U.S. State Department is advising visitors to Jerusalem to dress modestly when visiting certain neighborhoods".
I do not know how your proceed from "certain neighborhoods" to "everywhere."
“"The advisory was added to the State Department's website for travel to Israel, the West Bank and Gaza. It comes in the wake of many recent incidents in which ultra-Orthodox Jewish extremists physically or verbally attacked women they said were dressed immodestly."
Do you see ANY mention of men dressing immodestly?”
erehwon2 on Feb 7, 2012 at 23:21:41
“There are ultra-orthodox Jewish extremists in Gaza?”
AntithiChrist on Feb 7, 2012 at 19:38:40
“Never argue with a fool. They'll just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
If that doesn't work they may throw rocks.”
JacksonJones on Feb 7, 2012 at 19:34:53
“Sorry, but I still don't see where the warning applies only to women. Apparently, you don't either.”
“Like my daddy says -- you can't argue with willful blindness.
JacksonJones on Feb 7, 2012 at 19:22:38
“When you walk into the Church of the Holy Sepulchre and they ask you to cover your shoulders if you want to go in, how is that the religious using violence and intimidation to force their personal moral code on you?”