“How about they don't kill healthy cats even when they are really old? Euthanizing a suffering animal isn't the same as euthanizing a healthy one. And aging is NOT a disease. The truth is, most animals will let you know when they are ready to go. You can either help them along or you can be with them until they pass naturally. I generally leave it to the cat to let me know.”
“1. Everyone named Charles who thinks he's clever when he isn't is called Chuckles.
2. Neither of those images could be termed "pretty" though I agree that Avedon's composition is certainly better and far more compelling.
3. When the young lady in question looks at her yearbook photo 20 years from now, trust me when I tell you AS A WOMAN, she will be grateful that she doesn't look like a dorky fashion victim of the early 2010's. And having been a woman for more than 50 years, I can pretty much guarantee that I know far more about my sex than you ever will.
4. Since I'm not a professional photographer, I can say whatever I please about how pretty or unattractive I think someone looks in a photograph any time I like. After all, no one is paying me to suck up them for the sake of money.”
ceeenbee on May 30, 2014 at 08:01:32
“Thanks for playing and goodbye. I have better things to do than joust with pontificating know-it-alls.”
ceeenbee on May 30, 2014 at 07:59:04
“Absolutely. You have every right to critique a photograph. What you don't have the right to do is tell others how they should view a photograph. That is pompous, and arrogant (although that sounds as if it fits the mold).
I am very happy you are able to say with confidence and authority what the woman in the photo will think in 20 years (Did I mention pompous and arrogant?). You should maybe set up a little shop and charge for your prognostications.
BTW, I thank you for agreeing that Avedon's composition is "better" but that is not what I said. I'll leave telling people what is better to people like you (Have the words pompous and arrogant come up before? Oh, yes they have.).”
“I'm so happy you're happy to speak for the whole world at large. Or was that the royal "We" you were using, Chuckles?
Now please go try and rain on someone else's parade, because I just find you really funny. Clearly you know nothing about either women or photography.”
ceeenbee on May 29, 2014 at 16:54:10
1.) How did you know that my friends call me Chuckles? (That's just scary.)
2.) I am an avid photographer and have been for many years but, that's besides the point. What is important is that I would never presume to tell people what photo they should like more based on my taste. I might say "In my humble opinion, I like the photograph on the left more." I would never be so presumptuous as to say "The photograph on the left is better".
I'm sure you will agree that Avedon's photo of Igor Stravinsky,
but, I find Avedon's much more compelling and beautiful.
You are correct about women, though, but not about their photographs. If you understood the woman in question in the photo than you should have been able to surmise that she would be unhappy with the retouched photo. You didn't, ergo you do not know women as well as you think.”
“Actually, the first girl looks prettier with the touch up. Less is more in her case. Now the center of the photo is her lovely smile and beautiful eyes and not her neck and shoulders.
That said, it may seem stupid to high schoolers, but that's the real world for you. Full of stupid people enforcing stupid rules. Don't like it? Start your own business one day and have any dress code you want.”
ceeenbee on May 30, 2014 at 09:28:52
“Oh, I understand now. It's the eyes , the "beautiful eyes and not her neck and shoulders."
I couldn't agree more. I would actually suggest to the next photographer (and I'm sure you would agree) that they focus more on the eyes. Forget all that other stuff. All the women could just dress appropriately, and the photographer could judiciously crop all the women's the photos just like this.
“Whoever said skin color and greed or a thirst for power at the expense of others were mutually exclusive? Black people are no better or worse than any other race when it comes to selling out their own for a quick buck. It just hurts more when you see them do it, because they're supposed to understand what it's like to marginalized.”
“No, you have touched on an area that needs work. As in: you become a seller of products that are desired by people living in parts of the world where they are not yet available and make yourself a mint. Giving away someone elses hard work and labor for free is making that person into your slave.”
sgillhoolley on May 20, 2014 at 11:59:21
“Im not even sure what you are talking about any more. Who said anything about free labour? I certainly know I did not. You take the Strawman Argument to an entirely new level.”
“It's one thing when it's a one on one situation and a fair fight. But when you're being bullied by five or six kids at once then it becomes a different story. That's when parents need to step in. Most bullies are cowards and travel in packs, especially these days. Packs that love to film themselves putting the beat down on some poor kid. Two kids fight and then the bystanders get to feel really good about themselves by punching, kicking or hitting the victim while they're in a clinch with their main tormentor. Oh, and lets not forget when parents jump in and actually help their kids bully some other kid. Society is SICK. Just telling someone to grow a set won't cure what ails it.”
“No, it is NOT okay. I don't know where you read into my statement that I think intellectual or property theft from individuals or corporations is okay, but you are wrong. If a US company steals a patented idea from a foreign company then they should be held to the exact same standards. Industrial espionage is illegal. Period.”
OH72 on May 19, 2014 at 16:13:24
“And if the US government sends spies to acquire intellectual property and then hands it off to a US company?”
“They do. There's a practice known as shopping. Whereby the creator/manufacture sell their wares to a legitimate distributor and you, the shopper, go out and buy the product of your choice. The other way is: I do all the work and you get all the profits. No thanks, dearie. You want what I make, you pay me for it.”
sgillhoolley on May 19, 2014 at 16:30:32
“"Legitimate distributor"...you already have touched on how the whole world DOES NOT share in these technologies. Not all products are available to every person all over the world.”
OH72 on May 19, 2014 at 15:12:01
“Unless it's the other way round and you want something someone else makes. Then it's perfectly ok if the US rolls over whoever makes it, be it via spies or soldiers, and drags all the valuables off to America...”
“If you've ever worked in an all white office, lived in an all white neighborhood or gone to an all white or mostly white school, you have experienced white privilege. I'm white and I've always lived in mixed race neighborhoods and mixed race schools, and I know I experienced white privilege even then. As a temp secretary I was selected for jobs when there was a black applicant clearly more qualified than I was sitting next to me in a waiting room. I once reported an employment agency for separating out the minority candidates from the white candidates for jobs. I've seen people screened out of jobs based upon their street address, i.e. projects or black neighborhoods.
Just because you don't notice white privilege doesn't mean you aren't experiencing the benefits of it. Just like everyone in this country, except Native Americans, experiences the benefits of the genocide of the tribes. Even President Obama, living in the White House, is experiencing a benefit off the backs of the slaves who originally built his temporary home - just like every white President has. If your comfort and safety came at the expense of someone else's misery, you have experienced a benefit not accorded that other person or group. Deal with it Bill-O.”
happyinsc on May 15, 2014 at 16:35:44
“Thank you Laurie for keeping it real. It takes courage to admit the truth of a situation especially when it's unpopular. A lot of us have know that these biases have been perpetrated for decades. Not all people are like this, but there are enough in positions of power to impact people's lives.”
“I don't need some wide-eyed suburbanite intent on filling my soul coming by my home - ever. I've met these people when I was still able to work and found their singular mix of superiority and self-aggrandizing generosity - loaded down with saccharine smiles to hide their distaste - to be utterly insulting. If suburbanites need an ego stroke and someone to be grateful to them when they are feeling blue, let them go to a senior center or a children's cancer ward and volunteer there.”
“It's not that I don't trust government, it's that I don't trust the people who are part of the government. All I ever hear about are the crooks, the scam artists, the do-nothing report writers and the cowardly enabling co-workers. You know, those folks who aren't necessarily committing a crime, but are looking the other way while the crimes are committed. I'm also tired of the bored contempt expressed by public employees when serving the public. Just because a few people come in and annoy you, doesn't mean you have the right to be disrespectful of everyone who passes your desk. Since we both have to be there, why don't you try making this a pleasant experience for us both?”
Kravon on May 14, 2014 at 15:36:08
“I take the George Carlin approach when it comes to the government. I assume that everything the government tells me is a lie.”