“I am not contradicting myself. Many types of Contraception are very inexpensive and affordable. However Insurance companies will raise your rates to cover more expensive methods. You may end up paying more for your contraceptives indirectly from the diversion of that extra cost in your insurance plan. And I never said BC was against my personal religion, but it is against many christian religions such as the Catholic faith. I do not feel it is right to impose this expense on people who do not want it or do not believe in it. As far as blood transfusions - That coverage is not required by law for insurance companies to cover. If someone's religion is against it then I don't think we should mandate their health plan cover it. Again I'm not saying insurance companies shouldn't cover it, but if someone wants to purchase a plan that doesn't cover something that is against their religion then they should be allowed to do so.
Anyway I can agree to disagree with you on this. So have a Happy Holiday week!”
“No you don't get it. If you did you would agree. No one is suggesting that insurance companies not offer plans with BC. Most companies would want their employes plans to cover that and they should have the right to do so if they wish. However, If you are Catholic and truly believe that BC is wrong you should not be forced to purchase a plan where BC is covered. Inevitably, if every plan is required to cover BC then everyone has to pay for it even if their religion doesn't support the use fo BC. Because of this you are infringing on their constitutional rights.
Also as you well know insurance is expensive enough as it is. Insurance companies are not going to cover everyone's BC for free. If you require ALL Insurance Plans to cover BC then everyone's premiums go up. We have to pay more for our insurance because our government would require all plans to cover BC. I would hate to see someone not be able to afford insurance because their premiums when up to cover BC.
So all I am stating is ----
People should be able to choose what coverage they need in their plan-- the government shouldn't be telling them what they have to purchase or what has to be covered in their health care plans.
If your company just so happens not to want to cover BC you can always get the additional coverage added to your plan for little cost to”
brwnneyes on Nov 17, 2012 at 21:48:25
“You contadict yourself. On one hand you say that covering contraceptives is cost prohibitive and then go on to say if you want contraception coverage, one can choose to purchase it "for little cost". So which is it? You also claim that it's against your religion to have birth control covered and insurance companies shouldn't cover it for that reason. I suppose you are against insurance companies covering blood transfusions and the use of blood products such as Rhogam injections given to pregnant women who are RH negative? After all it is against some religions to accept blood products. So are you against insurance covering all of the things that go against religious beliefs regardless of what that religion is? Finally, I don't agree with your religious beliefs and lets not forget the very important First Amendment that states "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion." That being said, I'm done with this conversation. We agree to disagree. ”
“You just don't get it. If all insurance plans are required to cover BC then that means Peoples freedom of religion is at stake. Some people do not believe in BC and they shouldn't be forced to pay for a plan that covers them.
BC is cheep. I purchases my own when I didn't have insurance to control cramps. I was in college and didn't make much money working 2 part time jobs and being a full time student. It is not that big of a deal to let women purchase their own. If you require insurance to cover them all premiums go up to off set the expense. They are not going to give BC to you for free. You will still be paying for them. It just if you require insurance companies to include them in their plan-- everyone has to pay for them if they want them or not .
Why is that so hard for you to understand”
brwnneyes on Nov 12, 2012 at 23:28:00
“Oh believe me, I totally understand, it is you that are mislead. Contraceptives are not cheap. The average out of pocket self pay cost is $70.00 per month. I'm so tired of hearing that providing health care coverage for women infringes on your religious beliefs. How does a woman taking contraceptives to alleviate dysfunctional uterine bleeding, or dysmenorrhea infringe on your religion? Cut me a break! You just want to force your religious beliefs on others and I won't allow that. Nor will the millions of other women who let their voices be heard last week on election day.”
“Yes it has been sitting on the table for over a year --- when is he going to do something with it? or when is he going to compromise or make a new plan which will work for both sides so we can get something done?”
“Here is the link on how much out government spends in government assistance per family -- It is just like handing them all a 60K check. Just think want we could save if we handed them a 25K check instead of trying to finance all the government assistance programs.
“Well I'm glad you do pay some tax, but to put it into perspective. I pay over 25K in federal tax alone and then I pay state, property, sales, county, trash, gas tax and so on. I am not a wealthy person. I am going to struggle to pay to put my kids through collegel. I worked hard and got a good education, paid my dues and to think that after all that I should be able to afford to put my children through college if I want I shouldn't have to sacrifice their education to pay for someone who didn't work like I did to get where I am. Really - That is what is not fair. There are too many people believe they are entitled to something they didn't earn. They believe that the money is coming from the government, but in reality it is coming out of the pockets of citizens like me. I am tired of working hard for these people. I want to work hard for my family and believe these people need to start working hard for themselves. Government assistance should be available to the ones that really need it, not just given to people so they can afford their cell phones or video games. The assistance they are given should be minimal to motivate them to work hard too. ”
“I'm not sure what they included in the 60K. That was the average amount the government spends on welfare and government assistance.
I understand that government assistance is needed are earned in certain situations, but we really need to take a look at who is getting that assistance and how much they are actually receiving. DO I believe that our troops should be paying taxes while they are fighting--- Absolutely not! They are working hard for this country and they should be paid for that hard work ...
But we need to take a hard look at who is receiving government assistance and who really needs that assistance. We have to get away from this entitlement mentality that seems to be taking over our country. It has been studies that once you are on government assistance long term they more likely you will remain on that assistance. Now depending on your state will determine just how long you can do this, but many will stay on welfare for their whole lives and over 30% are healthy able bodied people.”
Wildkitty on Nov 12, 2012 at 16:19:54
“You ask "Where do you think they get the money for theses programs?"
1. 42% of revenue comes from 'individual' income tax - you and me!.
2. 40% comes from payroll taxes - you and me!.
3. 9% - YEP, ONLY 9% comes from Corporate taxes. You know, the Exxon Mobile, Walmart, BAIN CAPITAL, Berkshire Hathaway, Big Banks, Google, Home Depot, Insurance companies, the Coke/Pepsi, Merck/Abbott labs, General Dynamics, Delta Airlines, etc.. --- Yep, ONLY 9% from ALL corporate types!
4. 3% comes from Excise tax - gas, imports, etc.
5. 6% comes from 'other' or 'miscellaneous' sources!
Oh, did you know that this country has LESS THAN 5% of this world's population - but houses MORE than 25% of the world's prison population at an average annual cost of $55K per inmate. And about 1/3 of them are for 'victimless crimes' (drugs and petty crimes)?.
You might be interested in knowing that a 'single mother with one child is lucky to get about $500 a month in assistance and $230 per month in food stamps which equals $730 per month - TIMES 12 MONTHS = LESS THAN $9K per year.
I REALLY would like to understand where you get your $60K to 90K from. Maybe you could educate me with a link?? Thank you in advance!”
Wildkitty on Nov 8, 2012 at 15:24:41
“You state - "But we need to take a hard look at who is receiving government assistance and who really needs that assistance."
From BOTH your posts I get the impression that you have absolutely NO IDEA what you are talking about. It seems you are mixing taxes with welfare - with government assistance - with 'entitlements'!!!!! ALL of these are completely different programs.
Then, of course you state that 30% of those who receive 'welfare' are 'healthy people'. What does that have to do with someone's circumstances - if their job has been outsourced???
Did you know that the government spends More (a LOT more) on Corporate Welfare than is paid out to 'needy; families.
So instead of spouting talking points, why don't you do your own research and realize that (on occasion) the single nmother of two (who earns 23% LESS than her male counterpart for the same work) needs help so that she doesn't send her children to bed hungry?
Here is a government website which explains the anticipated spending in 2013. http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/ You will note that the Federal Budget is broken down into several sections, so you might just want to stay on the page and click on each section individually to see the differences.”
“Yes Romney did run a negative campaign - but what I don't understand is how so many dems criticize him when Obama did the same thing.
As far as Romneys changing position on abortion I can say it is a very difficult subject and one that I have struggled with myself. So to criticizes him for reevaluating his beliefs is absurd. As I have grown, had children, and educated myself on the subject my own feelings on the subject have changed over time. It is more important to me that Romney is willing to look at his views and change them if he feels he was wrong. Standing your ground on issues and never reevaluating your beliefs no matter what the facts are doesn't make your beliefs right.. It just means your beliefs maybe unfounded and ignorant. ”
RottieRuckus on Nov 8, 2012 at 20:41:54
“Go back and read my previous response--abortion is but ONE example cited of Mr. Romney's lack of principles. This is a problem that has plagued Mr. Romney for years--since 1994--Mr. Romney is consitutionally unable to hold fast to a position. The fact of the matter is Mr. Romney said the untimely death of his relative from complications due to an illegal abortion helped shape his belief in a woman's right. Helped shape his belief, that is, until he thought changing his stance would help his political career. He instituted Romneycare in MA as governor, spoke proudly of this accomplishment (and it indeed was), then trash talks Obamacare (overlooking the fact both plans are remarkably similar). Health care, abortion,climate change, the minimum wage, coal, campaign finance, bank bailouts--Mr. Romney has shifted positions on these, among other, topics. Sometimes he even performed the feat of ending up with a diametrically opposed view to the one he previously held. (You remember his nickname of Mr. Flip-Flop, don't you?) Mr. Romney lost in Michigan, the state of his birth and the state in which he grew up. He lost in MA, the state in which he was a governor. And he and Mr. Ryan lost Wisconsin, the state of Mr. Ryan's birth--the very same state of which Mr. Ryan was a US rep. All these facts, getrealin, speak volumes. ”
“Our taxes shouldn't pay for these abortions as abortion is against many peoples beliefs it is an infringement on our rights. And the fact is we are currently paying for abortions no matter what the reason. only 2% of abortions are to save a mothers life. There are over 1.2 million abortions every year. The other fact is abortions after 20 weeks are not medically necessary. These children could be born by caesarian or be being induced which is medically a safer option for the woman.
Too many people are wanting to jump on the abortion ban wagon with out knowing the facts.
So, If you want an abortion the pay for it yourself or purchase insurance that will cover you, Don't force me pay for your lack of morality!!!”
“There are alot of people in the US not paying their fair share as many Americans don't pay anything at all. Instead the government pays them 60,000 a year in government programs per family. That would be about 90,000 before tax. Lets really look at who is not paying their far share and taking advantage of the American's that support them with their tax $$$”
dvolmstead on Nov 7, 2012 at 19:19:52
“Wher is your link to $60,000 per year or are you just another republican Liar.”
Oosik on Nov 7, 2012 at 19:04:54
“I live on a VA disability which is right at the federal poverty line and thus pay no federal income tax. But I do pay state and fed gasoline taxes when I buy gas for people to take me someplace. I pass sales taxes on every non-food purchase I make. My space rent includes property taxes built into it.
I would ask you to either provide fact-checked evidence of your $60,000 charge or considering retracting it. Without facts in evidence your post is just another spundumb soundbite from misinformation central.
I should mention the many American Workers that worked hard and payed their taxes on time for years until an accident or disease took them out of the workforce and in need of assistance. Even the richest of the rich are not immune from finding themselves in poverty.”
sheryllynne1 on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:51:25
“This is true, I would dare say most people of all walks of life, have cheated or lied on their taxes! They usually are the first ones to throw the stones.”
Wildkitty on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:50:26
“I DO HOPE that you ARE NOT including the 60 (plus) thousand troops who are currently fighting our war overseas. These folks DO NOT - and SHOULD NOT pay taxes while they are fighting for your right to complain!
Or do you think that they SHOULD NOT be exempt from paying taxes while fighting overseas???”
Icecube on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:50:21
lofttypeofaview on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:10:22
“While true, it's because if the poor paid taxes, they would need more government assistance just to survive and that's counterproductive. Much of those currently are the unemployed, whom most likely when employed; paid into the system themselves. The point is every taxpayer pays into the system, that they also can benefit from; if they need to. It's basically a national insurance policy for all, instead of complaining about those whom need assistance; be glad yourself that you don't and instead can assist.”
sangog on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:02:30
“So all the BS didn't work to get your candidate elected and you feel obligated to keep repeating it anyway?”
“He could do this because of Policies that our government supports including Obama. Companies do what the government allows them to do. They are in business to make money. I'm not going to judge Romney for doing what it takes to stay in business. Also Obama has large number of China based investments. Why would he do this if he is so against China. It is because it is the best way for Obama to make money. I am just so tired of the dems being such hypocrites.”
“I never said he was a slouch - Just hat Dems were being hypocrites when complaining about all Romney's negative attacks. Obama actually had more negative attack ads then Romney.”
RottieRuckus on Nov 7, 2012 at 22:18:07
“Mr. Obama sure had more negative ads than Mr. Romney--by a whopping 3%.
The reality of the election, getrealin, is that Americans WEREN'T fooled by Mr. Romney's empty promises and negative ads. They had no desire to blindly follow Mr. Romney's "light" only to be zapped and burned in the end by:
* lack of a credible job creation plan. Mr. Romney repeatedly said he wanted to shrink the fed gov't, saying nothing that in doing so, additional millions of people would be looking for work on top of those already out of work.
* hypocrisy in relation to fed handouts. Mr. Romney's "rescue" of Bain depended in part by convincing the FDIC to forgive $10 million of Bain's debt. When GS Technologies (fna Worldwide Grinding Systems), a steel mill backed by Mr. Romney collapsed, 700+ employees were out of work. The feds forked over $44 million to bail out the mill's pension plan.
* hypocrisy in relation to abortion. Mr. Romney said he did not believe in imposing his personal beliefs on others, and that death of a relative from complications stemming from an illegal abortion made him support a woman’s right. As presidential candidate, Mr. Romney was adamantly opposed to abortions, unless in instances of rape, incest, or if the mother’s life was in mortal danger.
* distortion of the fact "Romneycare," the health plan Mr. Romney put into place in MA as governor, was very similar to Obamacare.”
“If you go back and actually read the article it states that the government would not PAY for these abortions in any circumstances and not that a woman could not have one if needed or that her insurance wouldn't provide coverage. Please read past the titles before you jump to conclusions. Just because the government will not provide funding for these procedures or BC doesn't deny a women the right have an abortion or purchase BC. ”
omobob on Nov 7, 2012 at 21:59:08
“FYI: under the Republican platform women seeking or having abortions from rape, incest or to save their lives would be in violation of the law and punishable by fine or imprisonment. Is this really what Republicans want? To force rape and incest victims to term under punishment by the State or Federal Government? Yes they do.”
omobob on Nov 7, 2012 at 18:27:34
“> Please read past the titles before you jump to conclusions.
I don’t expect Republicans to understand just what their Party Platform means. Let me explain. From the 2012 Republican Party Platform: "the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed." This means no abortions for rape, incest or to save the life of the Mother." That means women without health insurance (14 million uninsured Americans before the Affordable care Act) would not be compensated by the Romney Administration ( thank goodness that will never happen) even if it meant their life. was in danger.”
“Yes I did watch that video. I do believe it was over the top --
But the ads that Obama put out were just as bad. ABC reported that Obama negative ad campaign proved to be successful and that 85% or his ads were negative.
PS - I don't believe the government should have bailed out any company. It is not their place. What happened to free enterprise?”
RottieRuckus on Nov 7, 2012 at 15:22:36
“Oh, please—Mr. Romney was NO slouch when it came to negative advertising: From when he emerged as the likely Republican nominee in April through most of September, more than 82% of Mr. Romney’s ads were negative.
You are aware, aren't you, that the feds helped keep Mr. Romney's Bain afloat?
So much for "free enterprise"!”
Now Now on Nov 7, 2012 at 14:48:18
“What happened to free enterprise? Bane Capital and others like them have sold it to the highest bidder in China... Now how about some more WHINE to wash down them sour grapes?”
“I wish they could compromise in order to move this country forward. However Dems will only "compromise" if they get their way. This is not compromise and Dems shouldn't expect Republicans to give up their true principles. Obama hasn't compromised on anything. Republicans did try and offer amendments to Obama's ideas. Which Obama shot down because they didn't give Obama 100% of what he wanted. Almost half of this country has conservative principles. Obama needs to listen to all Americans not just the ones that say what he likes to hear. It is going to be a long hard road to recover from the huge divide that Obama has created in the country. Even the analyst on ABC are suggesting the next 4 yrs will be just as grid locked as the last 4. That is because Obama definition of compromise is give me everything I want. ”
Now Now on Nov 7, 2012 at 14:45:58
“so Democrats should give up helping the middle class, the poor to give Republicans their way on their true principles cutting taxes for the wealthy?
Obama has created the dived in the country? Really... that marxist, communist, socialist, nazi, muslim, non christian, terrorist, person that the Republicans have claimed he is since the day after the last election? Really? Now you are being disenginuous don't ya think?”
“It is a heavy democrat state -- Dem voted their party and not on the person. It actually surprises me that he was ever elected governor in MA. To be elected as governor of that state was in itself a huge accomplishment for a republican.”
“Yes we did. We saw Obama fool America twice and now we all have to live with the result. Unfortunately the majority of America doesn't realize what they just voted for. What a sad day.”
The Celestial Teapot on Nov 7, 2012 at 14:14:15
“Dream on. They realized exactly who they were voting for. You just can't accept that it wasn't for your guy so now you need to believe they're all wrong.
Did it occur to you that you may be the one who was being played? ”
“No they didn't. They only saw what they choose to see. Unfortunately most were blind. It reminded me of the movie Nemo... Where Dori and Marlin were mesmerized by the bright light only to be lead into the jaws of a monster. Well I just hope that we have another chance to run away, ”
“This is a sad day for America. Romney did an excellent job. I wish people would have seen him for the man he truly is. He would have made a fantastic president and giving this country hope again. But instead Americans were fooled by Obama's empty promises and negative ads. People are oh so ready to blindly follow Obama's light only to be zapped and burned in the end. I hope and pray it wont be as bad as I believe it will. Good Luck everyone -- We are going to need it.”
constantlyamazed on Nov 7, 2012 at 14:33:43
“I think you need to go back and look at who was really the one being unreasonable and unwilling to compromise. It won't be the president!”
RottieRuckus on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:38:32
“"...instead Americans were fooled by Obama's empty promises and negative ads."
When Mr. Romney threw his hat into the ring, I thought, "Not so bad."
When he became the candidate, I started doing research on the man. (And the man he selected as his VP--but that's another thing entirely.)
Anyone in the middle class who did even half an hour's worth of research into Mr. Romney and his background--and thought about what he or she read--would quickly see it would be a sad day for the country should he have become president.
("Negative ads", you say, getrealin2012?
I guess you didn't hear (or read about) the $240,000, 60-second radio spot in Toledo and Dayton casting Mr. Obama, Chrysler, and GM as bad for auto jobs--an ad that was debunked by fact-checkers AND officials from Chrysler and GM.
You also couldn't have seen (or read about) the TV version that ran in Ohio; it earned “Four Pinocchios” from The Washington Post’s fact-checker and a “Pants on Fire” rating from PolitiFact.
Happily, you have four years to "get real" by doing research and some independent thinking; this would be entirely to your benefit, since, politically, you so clearly, painfully, aren't.)”
MzzLadi on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:28:39
“He was seen for who he was...we weren't buying what he was selling!”
constantlyamazed on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:27:45
“maybe you and others that chose to vote for Mr. Romney will take an introspective look at yourselves and maybe consider that it is not everyone else that is blindsighted. Its time for people to work together. Hopefully those in Congress have gotten the message that we expect them to work with this President and not against him otherwise they will be headed to the house too.”
drexelpats on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:25:41
“The late Arlen Specter said, "Romney has changed positions more times than a pornographic movie queen." I disagree that Romney did an excellent job but I do agree that people saw him for the man he is - craven and indecisive with no core.
Those who didn't vote for Romney just couldn't support someone who flip-flopped on nearly every issue he talked about. Coming so very close to the election, his final flip-flop, on FEMA, may have been the last straw.”
montn2 on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:24:54
“With Romney in office we would be looking at another war....he had 17 of Bush's 24 neocons on his staff. That fact alone was reason enough to not vote for him.”
bertysing on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:21:04
“last night I had a strange vivid dream, I was up close and personal with Romney and I could see even more clearly what he is , a snake-oil sales person, a used car salesman a creepy, creepy man.....I don't think he did a good job, I think he did a good job of "working it."
But thank God it is over. This is a GREAT day for America.The majority of Americans truly believe the opposite of what you say. Cheer up, the odds are, you are mistaken.”
David J Armitage Sr on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:19:06
“You are so right Getrealin2012! They were totally fooled by Obama and the Democratic Party. They will all see and wish they had their vote back once their taxes are raised, Obamacare goes into effect, and small businesses are hurt. No jobs will be created and our look from other parts of the world will become weaker. Obama made the same promises four years ago and he achieved nothing. Hope all of your supporters of Obama are very happy.”
Enea on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:18:49
“This is a fantastic day for America and for the World! Every single one of our allies rejoices today. Get on the Kolob Express bagger! You are free to move out anytime.”
gulamon on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:17:08
brightpurple2 on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:16:12
“You forget that it was your Romney that never gave any specifics about anything (empty promises), and, living in a swing state, I can honestly tell you that the Romney ads were far more negative than the Obama ads.”
The Celestial Teapot on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:15:56
“No, it's a sad day for you, not for America. Your guy has had years to sell his schtick to the American people, and they weren't buying it.”
hawaiianstile on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:13:15
“people did see him for the man he is, thats why he lost.”
Hillrick on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:12:25
“here, here's a hankie for you while I get my world's smallest violin out so I can play "My heart ble eds for you."”
skyslimit on Nov 7, 2012 at 13:11:25
“No luck is needed. Democrats are better leaders.”