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How Progressives Can Move Obama to the Left

How Progressives Can Move Obama to the Left

Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 13:03:01 in Politics

“Yes, this is not a one person government, but you diminish the potential of a popular president too curtly.

In foreign affairs, the President is especially the leader of the nation and his party. The president who succeeded Bush did not HAVE to engage us in more warfare in Af- Pak. He did HAVE to use dronesk, as on Sunday, in Yemen - killing about 43 civilians and missing the intended target.

With re: the Constitution, Obama did not HAVE to continue the Bush policies in the federal courts of pleading "national securtiy" when confronted with evidence of US tyranny and law-breaking. He did not HAVE to support continued warrantless spying on US citizens, renditions to foreign countries and the maintainance of secret prisons throughout the world.

He did not HAVE to station American armed forces in seven new bases in Columbia.

I could go on to Obama's appointments and his right to have chosen others than Clinton acolytes, the moral criminals who obliterated bank regulation.

The list is too long for fairness to the website's other contributors. The President is powerful if he is persuasive. Honesty is very persuasive. Obama lacks that virtue.”

Beatriz09 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 13:20:59

“Obama always said that he would go to war in Afghanistan. It's what he's doing today. In my opinion he was and is perfectly honest.

It's not because we don't like what he's doing or we think he should do much more much quicker that he's not honest (so here too I fully agree with Cenk).

Besides, "honestly", I don't know if virtues like "honesty" are so important in politics. I think it's a bad idea to confound politics and morals. Only God can judge the intentions of man. Politics is about strategy and power.”
How Progressives Can Move Obama to the Left

How Progressives Can Move Obama to the Left

Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 12:06:46 in Politics

“I'll tell you how to move Obama: find a popular Democrat with the gumption to declare that he is considering a run against Obama for the Democratic nomination in 2012.”

AnotherMcIntosh replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 12:59:51

“Start now!

Please.”

hershala replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 12:52:42

“I agree, but where to find one.

With Obama I recently have gotten the feeling he hears only the right wing say "Obama is a Socialist" So he hitches over to the right to prove he isn't. He doesn't seem to care that they didn't vote for him and never will. If he had actually fought for a decent health care planI could forgive not getting one any better than this one because I would be sure he would go back and improve it. However with his attitude of caving to the right it seems as if he has a list of things and he will just check off health care and go to the next thing on the list. Sad but true.

I will certainly look at whoever runs against him in the primary.”

Beatriz09 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 12:26:35

“It will only be more of the same. As Cenk is correctly stating (but then again forgetting when it comes to formulating a solution): Washington is not just one man, it is a power FIELD.

A lot of forces are present in that field, which is perfectly normal in a democracy.

If we want to have a progressive agenda put into law, we have to change the DC field, not just the man in the Oval Office.

Obama or someone else ... even the most progressive president thinkable will be working in a democratic system, so will only be able to bend the forces in the DC field slightly into his own direction.

It's the DC field (Congress in the first place) that needs our attention. AND our hard work.
The real battle is about the field, especially now that we already have someone with the right ideas in the Oval Office.”

humanbeinghuman replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 12:17:31

“i like this idea.”
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Sham of the Year: Frank Rich, Tiger Woods and that Anti-Obama Op-Ed

Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 10:55:27 in Media

“Correction: My prior comment should have been addressed to Mr Kaufman.”
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Sham of the Year: Frank Rich, Tiger Woods and that Anti-Obama Op-Ed

Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 10:53:11 in Media

“Mr Rich: Of course Barack Obama did not deserve his inauguration!

Are you not aware that he won it with more than $300 million given to him by the Wall Street gamblers and frauds that have now received huge bonuses and, their companies, huge bailouts? Is this a legitimate way to win an election? I don't think so!

Let candidates win on the merits of their declared policies and their past records! Eliminate the private domination of our election financing. Eliminate the media's ability to rule out candidates who do not please their corporate masters.

Then we might have presidents who deserve their inaugurations.”

DonRoberto replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 22:58:21

“Give us the links, please. Otherwise, blow it out your a$$.”

max08 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 15:18:01

“B.S. You can read the donation lists. He received 95% of his money from small donors. You are just dead wrong. There are records for all this cash; you would do well to research your facts before torquing your amygdala to Defcon One.”

jdmn17 replied on Dec 24, 2009 at 11:20:45

“You mean like George Bush won Florida? Theft at its best.......”
Jacob Hacker: Why I Still Believe In This Bill

Jacob Hacker: Why I Still Believe In This Bill

Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 12:45:20 in Politics

“Progressives! Defeat the bill! Give Obama the kick in the ass he deserves. Let him know what is in store for him in 2010 and 2012, when progressives stay home on election day.

If Republicans have to win in order to destroy the present Democratic Party, BULLY!”

Harry from France replied on Dec 22, 2009 at 11:17:23

“Shareholder in Insurance Co, I suppose”

timewaster2dcore replied on Dec 20, 2009 at 14:43:17

“Nice try, Mr GOPer. But progressives are gonna follow your notion because they are so gullible.”
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A Rebuttal to Howard Dean: I Am a U.S. Senator, and I Will Vote For This Bill

Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 12:39:29 in Politics

“A good result of killing the bill: defeat would give Obama the good kick in the ass he deserves. Maybe, it would wake him up to what's in store for him in 2010 and 2012. Progressives ought no longer be lackeys for the Democratic Party.”
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Why the Left Fails

Commented Dec 17, 2009 at 22:18:29 in Politics

“The Democratic Party is just a machine for electing politicians. It stands for nothing. Both Dennis Kucinich and Max Baucas are Democrats!

The best prospect would be the splintering of the Democratic Party into parties that were more ideological, at least in the sense that they represented well defined political interests. A spectrum of interests within a party is tenable but not when it ranges from infra-red to ultra-violet.”

hp blogger Vanessa Carmichael replied on Dec 18, 2009 at 01:44:53

“Actually splintering the Democrat Party would be disaster. Fewer parties "catch-all" parties fare better in elections. You splinter the D party and leave he country vulnerable to some right wing nutjob party to take over.”

anachoret replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 22:49:31

“Perhaps.
But they could be more than a machine for electing politicians. They could be a machine for electing leaders who will own their failure, rather than running and hiding from it.

It's all in who is operating the machine, and who they are operating it for.”
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Why the Left Fails

Commented Dec 17, 2009 at 20:38:03 in Politics

“None of our political arguments or divisions matters. We have the inevitable prospect of a two to three degree F temperature rise, because the major powers (especially the US) are unwilling to do what must be done to avoid it - if there is still time.

The result will be catastrophic climate events, rise in sea-level that will inundate coastal cities, droughts that will sharply reduce the production of food, more intense storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, widespread disease from much poorer living conditions and, lastly, many armed conflicts from the competition for the necessities of life.

Current US problems of debt and deficit will be made worse with a high probability of US government defaults, failure of government programs (Social Security, Medicare) and private ones (pension systems, insurance). Martial law will often be invoked and the use of US military force to maintain order will be common.

All of the conflicts that loom so large now, will seem like the greatest of follies against the toll that will be taken by the warnings that are being ignored now by our ruling class, which is scientifically ignorant.”

anachoret replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 22:13:11

“I hope you have seen this.
If not, I think you would be interested.

http://www.openleft.com/diary/16555/what-makes-someone-a-dirty-fing-hippie

Best of wishes, and keep the faith.”

Nicas replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 22:10:51

“it's completely possible that such things may happen due to climate change. These things may happen regardless of climate change, though.

The future is freakin unknown. Imagine what the most precient person from 1909 would have guessed to be today's dilemmas, or even the problems of 1949. In1909, we had barely discovered flight, and fifty years later man held the power of nuclear weapons. Unbelievable, right?”

freelyb replied on Dec 17, 2009 at 21:06:37

“Pretty much.”
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Can the Obama White House Course-Correct in Time to Avoid Hitting the 2010 Iceberg?

Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 11:19:07 in Politics

“Pres. Obama's "confrontation" with the bankers is all smoke. They love each other in a symbiosis, a symbiosis that gave our small-change President the funds he needed for his campaign. Obama met with the bankers to impress the foolish progressives who voted for him, when they should have voted their consciences.

Voting for a candidate in order to fend off another candidate is self-defeating. Progressives should have learned by now.

Voting for a smile is like voting for the wimp who kills with a smile (compare Oscar Wilde).”
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Can the Obama White House Course-Correct in Time to Avoid Hitting the 2010 Iceberg?

Commented Dec 15, 2009 at 10:12:59 in Politics

“Let the Dems hit the 2010 iceberg! They deserve it. If Obama hits the 2012 iceberg, as I believe he will, he wil have deserved it far more than his Nobel prize!

Progressives should not fall into the trap of trying to protect Obama and the Dems from themselves. If the Repubs win, so be it ! The system will only take so much. Bringing the house down may be the only corrective measure. Sustaining Obama and the Dems to keep the Repubs out gets progressives nowhere. They should have formed a third party years ago. The longer they stay with the Dems, the worse our nation's problems become.”
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Congress Can Save Mr. Obama From Afghanistan

Commented Dec 02, 2009 at 18:29:12 in Politics

“Sec'y Gates said that failure in Afghanistan would have "severe consequences", as quoted above.

I say that success in Afghanistan would have even worse consequences. If the imperialists who determine our foreign policy were to succeed, they would be encouraged to continue the projection of US military power elsewhere. Foreign policy out of the barrel of a gun has been the US style since the Korean War. It has to stop if we are to return to government by the people and a decent standard of living for all Americans.”

jeanrenoir replied on Dec 02, 2009 at 23:49:26

“Progressives like goedel are just as much robotic, stupid dittoheads as any dumb follower of Rush. All we get from these guys is an endless replay of their Sixties anti-American tapes. There's no attempt to actually understand the war in Afghanistan or what Obama is fighting against there. There's no clue about the nuclear threat posed by Bin Laden and Pakistan. There's just endless self-righteous magical thinking about how every American war is "imperialist" and there's never any "real" threat from abroad. Obviously, 9/11 was just a blip, not a shot across our bow warning of "the fire next time." Thank God Obama has had the guts, just as Hillary would have done, to completely stiff the Democrats who are out of touch with harsh, tragic reality that all they can do is endlessly repeat the cliches of the Vietnam antiwar era.”
The Ersatz Public Option

The Ersatz Public Option

Commented Nov 23, 2009 at 18:40:28 in Politics

“To billw8017:

Medicare for all is not possible so long as we insist on wasting our resources in Iraq and Afghanistan. Wars cost big bucks, besides all the bloodshed.”

billw8017 replied on Nov 27, 2009 at 19:33:28

“Medicare for all is about life and death. Afghanistan and Iraq were justified by lies and are about revenge and pride. Nobody seriously depreciates revenge and pride, but serious people remain concerned about matters of life and death.

Some would say, we can't afford vanity wars when our very lives are at stake. Wars cost big bucks besides all the bloodshed.

My point: spin and framing are everything.

What keeps universal medicare impossible has nothing to do with war and less to do with the expense since the expense is the same in any case. We pay for health care and we pay more for ill health. In both war and medicine, some pay with their lives in untimely deaths.”
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Do We Want To Be The Generation That Destroyed Ourselves?

Commented Nov 20, 2009 at 22:57:27 in Green

“The assumption is common that the ruling-class in American does not act with urgency to push for control of greenhouse emissions because it is not really convinced that the science is correct. They are in denial, some say.

I am reminded of what a chemical company exec in Niagara Falls, N.Y. told me years ago, after his tongue was lubricated by a third martini: We should not worry about pollution because people are living too long anyway.

A parallel belief is probably widely held among our corporate rulers, today: We should not worry about climate change because the earth's population is too large anyway.”

dzagama replied on Nov 21, 2009 at 10:37:04

“Um... that sentiment, in not such a direct form, is parroted on this site.

I've been told that humans are a weed, the planet would be better off without us, we should control our population, etc, etc...”
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Veterans Day: Not for Sale

Commented Nov 10, 2009 at 22:01:58 in Politics

“If there is any mission for Veterans Day, it would be to end the militarization of the US that has taken place since the start of the Cold War.

That mission could be best fostered by restoring the significance of the day, calling it again, Armistice Day, that day in 1918 when the first world-wide hostilities ended. We can look back to the promises of that day, how empty they were, and realize how greatly we failed since, repeatedly. Stop the parades! Stop the speeches! Disband those veterans' organizations that lead the cheers for our misguided Presidents who return a military salute but never shouldered a military weapon.

Yes, let's celebrate Armistice Day and the end of the war to end all wars, if we can!”
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Why We Need Even More Stimulus

Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 15:32:18 in Business

“I am sympathetic to the unemployed, but - please - no more stimulus out of my pocket, Sir. I have seen my life's savings eroded to half their purchasing power since the turn of the century. A good part of that erosion is still to occur from the bailouts of big finance by both Bush and Obama. Want to help the unemployed? Do it by raising taxes on the wealthy and not by selling more Treasury Bonds or by creating deposits from which to write Treasury checks.

Tie the US$ down, if not to gold, then to a basket of commodities or other currencies. Stop depreciating my savings!”

Jannsmoor replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 16:26:58

“If you are concerned about inflation, the Federal Government sells inflation adjusted Treasury Bonds and you can also buy ETF's with low commissions that will do the same thing.”

krocklin replied on Nov 05, 2009 at 15:55:36

“The banks and profligate military invasions and expenditures are what is depeting your savings.,”
Clean Energy is an Easy Choice

Clean Energy is an Easy Choice

Commented Oct 26, 2009 at 18:57:06 in Green

“In the Saint Petersburg area of Florida, we are not worried. I did not see or hear of a single 350ppm event here, yesterday, when the whole world was having an unprecedented turnout of demonstrations. Why are we in St Pete not worried? Because we know that science is busily at work to engineer a genetic transformation. In a decade or two, when the tides begin to sweep over our downtown area and suck our pretty houses into Tampa Bay or the Gulf of Mexico, we shall be ready. We shall have grown gills and webbed feet and, since we love shrimp and other shellfish, shall swim happily alongside the dophins (whom we also love) and live happily ever after - underwater.”
Durbin: Progressives Forced Our Hand On Public Option

Durbin: Progressives Forced Our Hand On Public Option

Commented Oct 26, 2009 at 18:42:14 in Politics

“This IS a defeat for BO, if Sen. Reid prevails and a bill with a vital public option is included. BO has reneged, first on single-payer, secondly on the public option. Senators Feingold and Burris saved it. BO will get no credit for health-care, if achieved, and as with the Nobel Peace Prize he will not deserve it. Sen. Reid and Rep. Pelosi would get the credit, if achieved.”

dancinggrandma replied on Oct 27, 2009 at 02:21:58

“Obama NEVER promised single payor: he stated many times that if the US could start from scratch, single payor would be the only way to build a health care system BUT that this
country would never accept such a radical change overnight. He is brilliant to stand back and allow Congress to craft this life-changing bill and only intervene if it's truly threatened in its final form!”

chedet replied on Oct 26, 2009 at 19:13:38

“I think he's doing these people a favor for next year's election don't you think?”

illinoisan replied on Oct 26, 2009 at 18:55:47

“It may be a "deteat" for him in the short term but he'll get the credit for fixing health care soon enough.”

JRGris replied on Oct 26, 2009 at 18:51:34

“Wrong. The President and the Democratic party will get credit for health care reform just as they do for Social Security, Medicare, and all of the other programs that make the lives of people better. The Republicans get credit for destruction of the American Dream.”

MiHi replied on Oct 26, 2009 at 18:46:49

“So long as Americans finally have an alternative to the murderous policies of corporate healthcare companies, I don't care WHO gets the credit!”
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To Obama with Love: Nothing Less Than a Public Option

Commented Oct 25, 2009 at 09:18:51 in Politics

“People think of Barack Obama as if they know him, but what they know are projections of him, projections he casts by appealing rhetoric and projections cast by the media. These are dangerous because they are so successful: Mr "Nice Guy" even lovable, as Ms Brawley expressed, after bad guy Bush is the minimal summation in many minds. The truth is we do not know him, and he has reneged on many significant positions he took as Senator and as candidate. Not only has this former Constitution-professor adopted the positions of GWB on withdrawing due process and state secrecy, but he has continued the imperial presidency and its dominance over the other branches of our government. He has continued the threat of further usurpation of power through presidential signings and by refusing to do the investigations of lawlessness by Bush and his top administrators with regard to our laws on torture. We don't know Barack Obama and what we do know from what we have seen is very bad. He follows GWB on projections of military power, subservience to the corporate elite and neglect of ordinary Americans (including health-care).

In understanding Barack Obama, the best technique is to avoid his imagery and rhetoric and pay attention to who is advising him - as far as we know - and what he does and does not do.”
Showdown in Chicago

Showdown in Chicago

Commented Oct 23, 2009 at 23:08:40 in Business

“The best way for the AFL-CiO to help its members and end the domination of our country by the corporate elite would be for it to cease its allegiance to the Democratic Party and help to form a new party, a progressive party. The AFL-CIO has become gentrified. It has forgotten the class struggle, pretending it does not exist. Stop being Democrats, and start representing your workers by forming them into a new party - even if it costs elections!”
Commander in Chief: Yes He Is

Commander in Chief: Yes He Is

Commented Oct 22, 2009 at 10:51:06 in World

“There is altogether too much military in our lives. We spend so much on so-called "defense" that we do not have enough of the money we borrow for domestic needs.

President Obama, in matters of constitutional rights, imperialism, socialism for the capitalists, has not been much better than GWB. He is more dangerous than GWB, because he has a more affable, polished style. Occasionally, he even throws a bone to the Left (medical marijuana, most recently). At the same time, he refuses to demand single-payer or even the public option (which Nancy Pelosi now is pushing without BO's help). He has been, in the past 9 months, a terrible disappointment to progressives who supported his candidacy (I did not!) Progressive had better cease supporting the least-worse candidate and organize a party of their own.”

iridium53 replied on Oct 22, 2009 at 12:41:22

“I agree that we are not, perhaps, using our military to its best purpose - in iraq and other places.

I cannot agree that we have "too much military." I admit to a special bias - Semper Fi!

Perhaps I'm old-fashioned, but I rather like having a strong military. In fact, perhaps we're not strong enough.

Our ability to project power anywhere to protect our interests and our citizens is a great benefit.

Don't blame the military for their competence and capability.

Civilians decide the mission, not the military.

As Obama is showing to everyone on this Afghanistan decision, the military serves at the pleasure of the President.”

cybexg replied on Oct 22, 2009 at 12:13:01

“percent empty rhetoric = 100%
percent facts, sites, references = 0%

Comment empty of any meaningful content”
Bush TARP Head: Obama Picking Up Where We Left Off,

Bush TARP Head: Obama Picking Up Where We Left Off, "Actions Are Very Consistent" (VIDEO)

Commented Oct 20, 2009 at 19:05:53 in Business

“I learned that not all corrupted people realize they have been corrupted OR that the best actors are not in Hollywood.”
ABC Roundtable:

ABC Roundtable: "Is Obama Tough Enough?" (VIDEO)

Commented Oct 18, 2009 at 16:38:05 in Politics

“I agree and disagree with Ms Noonan: it's Pres. Obama's policies I don't like. But his decisions on issues that would require a constructive president to stand up to entrenched power are deferential. It may be that he simply wishes to cultivate those big banks and investment houses in order to have their gratitude in the future. The same may be true of his health-care approach: he does not wish to do battle with big health insurers or pharmaceutical companies. Paul Krugman said BHO's prospective success in getting a health bill shows that he is strong, effective. What nonsense! It shows he will take whatever he can get without doing battle with the masters of US health.

Pres. Obama has had a meteoric ascendancy to a level above his competency on matters financial. On the one issue where he may be presumed to have some knowledge, the Constitution, he continues the imperial presidency, violations of privacy, habeus corpus and transparency. He allows the practices of the Bush adminstration with regard to presidential signings, torture, state-secrecy to continue or not to be revoked by prosecutions that would protect our separation of powers and the rule of law.

There is besides competency, the matter of intention. I find in our President no demonstration (other than words) that he is motivated by any concerns about our ordinary citizens or our country's future. Yes, he inherited many problems, but he has made them worse, more long-term, more irreversible.”

mamala4 replied on Oct 18, 2009 at 17:23:30

“Don't you read? Don't you listen to the radio? Do you watch tv? he's made problems worse? Slow and steady wins the race...would you rather he behave like his predecessor and just do what god tells him to do? I don't.”

moongal6 replied on Oct 18, 2009 at 17:11:32

“All things said with great conviction.”
The President and Afghanistan: The Case for Why He Must Stay

The President and Afghanistan: The Case for Why He Must Stay

Commented Oct 15, 2009 at 23:21:44 in World

“The declaration by Pres. Obama that "This (Af-stan) is a war of necessity" is not supported by any reasonable analysis by him of our eight-year occupation of that benighted country. Similarly, Obama's statement in 2002 that Af-stan is the "right" war also was not based on any knowledge or experience of his own in such matters. Obama takes his views from a very narrow spectrum of opinion. At this time, those advising him are military people, either active or in civvies. As with the health-care issue, he does not seek the opinions of those outside the political establishment. Whatever problems he has, they are now more of his making than inherited, be they the financial, health-care or the war issues. Feel sorry not for Obama, but for the American people who will for many decades pay the price for his bad judgment and political cowardice. Obama? The sooner he goes back to Chicago the better!”
Obama HRC Speech:

Obama HRC Speech: "I Will End Don't Ask, Don't Tell," Says President Obama

Commented Oct 11, 2009 at 11:32:56 in Politics

“Insignificant! All of the so-called "cultural" issues are insignificant. So what, you may ask, is significant? OK! I'll tell you:

1. BO has given away the taxes of our children and their children to save the big financial corporations that gambled and lost.
2. BO has immersed us more deeply in Afghanistan and worsened the situation of Pakistan internally. He has also killed many innocents.
3. BO has undermined international efforts to control carbon emissions.

These three issues are the ones that will determine the future of this country and of other countries. Everything else pales by comparison.”
Obama Slaps Congress, Lobbyists In Push For Consumer Protection Agency (VIDEO, REMARKS)

Obama Slaps Congress, Lobbyists In Push For Consumer Protection Agency (VIDEO, REMARKS)

Commented Oct 10, 2009 at 23:30:19 in Business

“The Consumer Protection Agency, if it isn't already gutted, is very small potatoes compared with restoring Glass-Steagle and re-regulating. Obama gave away the game, when he allowed Geithner and Summers to be his advisers. They prevented the breakup of the financial institutions "too big to fail" and the regulation of the derivatives with which they gamble and we absorb the losses.

Obama is too little too late, and it is not by miscalculation. He took over 300 billion dollars from the corporate elite, a good part from the investment banks that caused the problems. Everything Bush III has done has been for the corporate elite. Nothing for labor; nothing for the small banks outside of New York; no jobs for the unemployed. Obama supporters are still living on hope and delusions. Their charmer is their betrayer. He is not a good person.”
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