gvc's Comments (139)
Will The Unemployment Disaster Be Obama's Katrina?
Commented Nov 23, 2009 at 19:50:36 in Politics
“1. Elections have consequences that last far longer than the term of the elected.
2. It is much easier to cause quick damage than to repair it quickly.
3. W. was given eight years to cause the damage. The laissez-faire supply-siders have had thirty.
4. Now you're complaining that it is not business as usual after 10 months. Get real. America will walk with a limp for some time to come, even given the best of treatment.”
2. It is much easier to cause quick damage than to repair it quickly.
3. W. was given eight years to cause the damage. The laissez-faire supply-siders have had thirty.
4. Now you're complaining that it is not business as usual after 10 months. Get real. America will walk with a limp for some time to come, even given the best of treatment.”
america99 replied on Nov 23, 2009 at 19:55:06
“and if obama has 2 terms (shudder) " Now you're complaining that it is not business as usual after 10 months." you'll be saying the same thing after 17 months, after 39 months, after 66 months, after 83 months...........he hasnt done a thing to help...period”
MarionWatts replied on Nov 23, 2009 at 19:55:00
“H.u.f.f.i.n.g.t.o.n. i.s. a. R.e.p.u.b.l.i.c.a.n.!!!!
R.e.a.d. h.e.r. h.i.s.t.o.r.y.”
R.e.a.d. h.e.r. h.i.s.t.o.r.y.”
Sarah Palin: Fooling None Of The People All Of The Time
Commented Nov 23, 2009 at 13:04:46 in Politics
“Chopra gave several examples to support his point of view. What are yours?”
How My Lawsuit Against the TSA Made Airports Safe For the Constitution Again
Commented Nov 11, 2009 at 07:23:13 in Politics
“I carried $11,000 for a couple of weeks in Europe. Prize money from a competition. It isn't that risky. What's safer? Taking it to some random bank and exchanging it for some piece of paper? What's the chance of being robbed? Smaller than the handling fee, I bet.
But carrying it is a cash box is deliberately provocative. Plain envelopes work better.”
But carrying it is a cash box is deliberately provocative. Plain envelopes work better.”
Is This as Good as It Gets From Obama?
Commented Nov 08, 2009 at 10:13:36 in Politics
“O. has spoken repeatedly of "bending the arc." I've heard so much hyperbole from those who think he hasn't bent the arc severely enough that they are threatening to vote to bend it in the wrong direction. This is silly.
By all means push O. to be more radical. But also be aware that it is possible to push too hard and accomplish nothing.
I don't believe in wounding leaders. By all means lobby O. to do more, if you think that's the most effective route. But don't attack him unless you really want promote those who would undo the changes he has made. If you think he's so bad that he doesn't deserve to be president, by all means join forces with Orly and the Teabaggers. Otherwise find constructive ways to pressure him to do more.
And when you compare to FDR and Lincoln, don't forget that their work took years, and had many low points. They were reviled by a substantial part of the country throughout their terms, and they made lots of compromises their supporters didn't like.
W. left the country's affairs on life support. If you drive your car into a wall, do you blame the trauma surgeons because after 9 months you walk with a limp? Probably, you do. This country is going to limp for years because of W. and his predecessors. Get used to it.”
By all means push O. to be more radical. But also be aware that it is possible to push too hard and accomplish nothing.
I don't believe in wounding leaders. By all means lobby O. to do more, if you think that's the most effective route. But don't attack him unless you really want promote those who would undo the changes he has made. If you think he's so bad that he doesn't deserve to be president, by all means join forces with Orly and the Teabaggers. Otherwise find constructive ways to pressure him to do more.
And when you compare to FDR and Lincoln, don't forget that their work took years, and had many low points. They were reviled by a substantial part of the country throughout their terms, and they made lots of compromises their supporters didn't like.
W. left the country's affairs on life support. If you drive your car into a wall, do you blame the trauma surgeons because after 9 months you walk with a limp? Probably, you do. This country is going to limp for years because of W. and his predecessors. Get used to it.”
Chopin replied on Nov 08, 2009 at 17:33:46
“Enough derogatory hyperbole on all sides. There're legitimate points from those who say Obama isn't moving fast enough or in wrong direction, and from those who counsel patience. Namecalling "whining" and "betrayal" won't help.
Discussion would be more productive when we getdown to specifics. Let's take economic team. Summers and Geithner are known to be part of architects and proponents of credit bubble buildup and meltdown. They're part of the problem. Is this Obama's tactical maneuver subject to adjustment? Or is it central misplaced trust and misdirected policy goals and methods? This team in less than 9months has dispensed 3quarter trillion dollars free bailout to unrepentent bigbanks and WallStreet.
Such substantive mistakes raise central question whether what we're seeing are part of or deviation from the hoped for "transformation that people can believe in." The serious and realists among Democrats+independents should face fact that people disappointed once too often would drift away and never come back. Namecalling disappointed supporters "whiners" won't change dangerous potential reversion to deadend politics people thought they left behind. Democrats+independents need to get grip of ourselves, and engage in meaningful discussion of policies and priorities, and how to hold this coalition together in 2010 and beyond.
President Obama cannot summon people to lofty ideals, inspire them with soaring oratory, and not follow through with matching executive decisions, and then not expect significant numbers of disappointed followers to drift away. Insults and labels would not avert a predictable outcome.”
Discussion would be more productive when we getdown to specifics. Let's take economic team. Summers and Geithner are known to be part of architects and proponents of credit bubble buildup and meltdown. They're part of the problem. Is this Obama's tactical maneuver subject to adjustment? Or is it central misplaced trust and misdirected policy goals and methods? This team in less than 9months has dispensed 3quarter trillion dollars free bailout to unrepentent bigbanks and WallStreet.
Such substantive mistakes raise central question whether what we're seeing are part of or deviation from the hoped for "transformation that people can believe in." The serious and realists among Democrats+independents should face fact that people disappointed once too often would drift away and never come back. Namecalling disappointed supporters "whiners" won't change dangerous potential reversion to deadend politics people thought they left behind. Democrats+independents need to get grip of ourselves, and engage in meaningful discussion of policies and priorities, and how to hold this coalition together in 2010 and beyond.
President Obama cannot summon people to lofty ideals, inspire them with soaring oratory, and not follow through with matching executive decisions, and then not expect significant numbers of disappointed followers to drift away. Insults and labels would not avert a predictable outcome.”
Leadership, Obama Style
Commented Nov 02, 2009 at 15:10:31 in Politics
“Obama demonstrated great leadership during the campaign by declining to be confrontational. Everybody said he couldn't win with that strategy and he showed them wrong. As you recall, he beat two "get 'em dead or alive" candidates with this strategy.”
RyanJ1977 replied on Nov 02, 2009 at 15:36:01
“Obama's career has been one long campaign. That is all he is really good at. As soon as he won his senate seat he started campaigning for the presidency.”
wanttruth replied on Nov 02, 2009 at 15:28:48
“I know, Right! Now the armchair critics are back! LOL Why can't President Obama get a full term before being judged as a 'failure'? What's with the rush to judgment?”
Why Obama Should Not Have Received the Peace Prize -- Yet
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 19:15:50 in Politics
“OK, you're right and I'm wrong. Goodbye.”
Rule Of Law replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 20:48:23
“And good luck...”
Why Obama Should Not Have Received the Peace Prize -- Yet
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 17:24:45 in Politics
“The cynicism about Canada doing it for profit is offensive. Canada has spent considerable blood and treasure trying to mop up W's mess.”
Rule Of Law replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 19:03:56
“Hey, be offended. All I'm saying is that if you send your army to build whatever anywhere, you're probably going to get shot at by the natives. Even in America.
If you're talking altruism or just straight ahead business, look to the Chinese or Russians who seem to know how to do business there without carrying guns.
All you've done is give us yet one more good reason that we should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq.”
If you're talking altruism or just straight ahead business, look to the Chinese or Russians who seem to know how to do business there without carrying guns.
All you've done is give us yet one more good reason that we should get out of Afghanistan and Iraq.”
Why Obama Should Not Have Received the Peace Prize -- Yet
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 15:17:26 in Politics
“Afghanistan is a NATO effort. Canadians have been dying in disproportionate numbers for some time, trying to support the original mission during the time that the U.S. not only squandered the initiative, but tainted the legitimacy of the whole operation by its Iraq aggression.
That said, I am still ambivalent. Canadians were there ostensibly to build schools and other infrastructure. But that's tough when they get blown up as fast as they are constructed, so their mission became more and more one of combat. If they could actually build stuff and have it remain standing, they might have a chance to win hearts and minds. If they could, that would be worthwhile.
It is almost impossible to get an objective assessment of what's going on there.”
That said, I am still ambivalent. Canadians were there ostensibly to build schools and other infrastructure. But that's tough when they get blown up as fast as they are constructed, so their mission became more and more one of combat. If they could actually build stuff and have it remain standing, they might have a chance to win hearts and minds. If they could, that would be worthwhile.
It is almost impossible to get an objective assessment of what's going on there.”
gvc replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 17:24:45
“The cynicism about Canada doing it for profit is offensive. Canada has spent considerable blood and treasure trying to mop up W's mess.”
Rule Of Law replied on Oct 12, 2009 at 17:14:54
“The original mission was the capture of Bin Laden. Period. Not nation building, or regime change. If Canada wants to build roads in that country, then let their companies bid on the job like any other.
When we gave up on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in favor of Bush's true goal, the invasion and subjugation of Iraq, we also gave up any logical, moral, or political reason for being there.
USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now.”
When we gave up on Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in favor of Bush's true goal, the invasion and subjugation of Iraq, we also gave up any logical, moral, or political reason for being there.
USA out of Afghanistan and Iraq. Now.”
Why Obama Should Not Have Received the Peace Prize -- Yet
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 14:56:46 in Politics
“Pontificating on what somebody (or some organization or one's self) should have done is pointless unless it can reasonably be expected to influence future choices (of that or some other person or organization).
The Nobel Prize committee did what it did. It is done. Do you want to change the Nobel Prize committee? Do you want to influence O. to decline it or to earn it or some such? Why? Do you have a reasonable expectation of success? If not, why are you spending your emotional energy on the matter?
I would sooner spend my time trying to influence things that (a) matter more and (b) are more readily influenced.
I quit swearing at other drivers long ago for much the same reasons I cite above. And I also quit complaining in restaurants unless I decided what remedy I could reasonably get.
What remedy are you seeking?”
The Nobel Prize committee did what it did. It is done. Do you want to change the Nobel Prize committee? Do you want to influence O. to decline it or to earn it or some such? Why? Do you have a reasonable expectation of success? If not, why are you spending your emotional energy on the matter?
I would sooner spend my time trying to influence things that (a) matter more and (b) are more readily influenced.
I quit swearing at other drivers long ago for much the same reasons I cite above. And I also quit complaining in restaurants unless I decided what remedy I could reasonably get.
What remedy are you seeking?”
War and Peace
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 15:24:17 in World
“Except there's guy. I think his name was Alfred Nobel. He stated in his will that the Peace Prize, unlike the others, was to be used to promote ongoing efforts.”
Romeover replied on Oct 10, 2009 at 19:41:53
“"one part to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses. "
http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/will/short_testamente.html”
http://nobelprize.org/alfred_nobel/will/short_testamente.html”
A Faith Declaration for Health Care Reform
Commented Oct 09, 2009 at 11:54:26 in Politics
“"Conscience clause" has become a loaded term, and I see why it provokes reaction. Like any freedom, the "conscience clause" becomes contrary to public policy when it interferes with somebody else's rights and freedoms -- like the right to the best known health consultation and services.
Certainly the religious right wants to use such provisions to impose their beliefs on others. I'm not sure whether the author intended this meaning or not. So let's ask him:
Mr. Wallace: can you expand on what you mean on "a strong conscience clause" and the tension between health care providers and consumers?”
Certainly the religious right wants to use such provisions to impose their beliefs on others. I'm not sure whether the author intended this meaning or not. So let's ask him:
Mr. Wallace: can you expand on what you mean on "a strong conscience clause" and the tension between health care providers and consumers?”
A Faith Declaration for Health Care Reform
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 06:00:30 in Politics
“As an atheist, I am shocked by the narrow-minded comments of the non-believers below. Lets leave the narrow-minded intolerance to the fundamentalists, please. If somebody wants to use their religious belief to motivate others to do good, what's your problem? Save your indignation for when they try to impose their belief, which is all too common but not the case here.”
Inquisitr replied on Oct 08, 2009 at 09:51:55
“It becomes a problem because of items like #4.
He's using his religion to help define federal health policy, and that is not cool.”
He's using his religion to help define federal health policy, and that is not cool.”
Obama's Shrewd Iran Policy
Commented Sep 28, 2009 at 05:59:07 in Politics
“Perhaps O. should take the approach W. tookd for Korea: taunt but refuse to engage until they conduct a successful test; then negotiate. That'd be shrewd.”
SorenB replied on Sep 28, 2009 at 07:05:35
“Perhaps he should try and get something for his efforts instead of folding his cards early.”
The Impeachment of President Obama
Commented Sep 24, 2009 at 16:22:39 in Politics
“Juice drink == sugar drink (may have been near fruit).”
grooveygrover replied on Sep 24, 2009 at 17:36:50
“not anymore, now it's high fructose corn syrup drink, not related to fruit, processed by the liver, not stomach and produces triglycerides
dangerous”
dangerous”
VIDEO: Kansans Laugh at Rep. Tiahrt's Health Reform Lies
Commented Sep 22, 2009 at 15:06:34 in Politics
“And, if he was educated in Canda, he payed a lot less than $250K to get his MD.”
Impact Man: Obama's Comeback
Commented Sep 10, 2009 at 09:14:30 in Politics
“Lots of Americans go to Canada, because it costs 1/3 as much. Even without insurance.
If you consider outcomes rather than Chauvinism, you'll see that outcomes are better in Canada, too.
"Bureaucrats telling you what procedures you can and cannot have.' Sounds like your existing insurer. In Canada, there's a list of covered procedures and services. Period. No panel to try to decide how to weasel out of paying. And if the services aren't available locally, they'll procure them elsewhere, even in the US. If you want a procedure that's not on the list, pay for it. Nobody tells you you can't have it.”
If you consider outcomes rather than Chauvinism, you'll see that outcomes are better in Canada, too.
"Bureaucrats telling you what procedures you can and cannot have.' Sounds like your existing insurer. In Canada, there's a list of covered procedures and services. Period. No panel to try to decide how to weasel out of paying. And if the services aren't available locally, they'll procure them elsewhere, even in the US. If you want a procedure that's not on the list, pay for it. Nobody tells you you can't have it.”
Palin Details Death Panels From Facebook
Commented Sep 08, 2009 at 21:51:25 in Politics
“You betcha! Keep 'em in the dark about their options and they'll live longer, happier lives. Works about as well as keeping 'em in the dark about reproductive health.”
Roy Sekoff Challenges Congressman On GOP's Criticism Of Obama School Speech
Commented Sep 04, 2009 at 16:11:13 in Politics
“Americans have a problem in that they are a republic and their head of state and head of government are the same. There is nothing at all wrong with saying "what can I do to help my head of state?" But things get messed up when there are serious policy disagreements with POTUS.
The same thing happened with W. The man deserved no respect, but his office did.”
The same thing happened with W. The man deserved no respect, but his office did.”
Why is Pat Buchanan Defending Hitler?
Commented Sep 03, 2009 at 07:43:34 in Media
“His on-air comments get more appalling, but only because he toned it down a bit when he first got the job. The opinions he expressed during his presidential runs were every bit as much over the top.”
Obama, Progressives and Health Care Reform
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 18:30:31 in Politics
“Thanks, BLBass, for the reasonable discussion. Now how do we get the rest of the world to participate?”
The President of Cool
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 18:12:05 in Politics
“I'm from Ontario, Canada. We suffered through a right-wing government, that cut programs and ran up deficits. Then a progressive government got elected, and the hand-wringing began. Because radical destructive change is easy to show quickly, but constructive change takes a lot longer. The good news is, four years later, the progressive government got re-elected. Although the press and the opposition branded them as weak and dithering and flip-flopping, come election time, people started to notice that the roads were being repaired, the broken school locker doors were replaced, there had been no major strikes, the province's credit rating was on the rise, the budget was balanced, etc. Plus the opposition wanted to give bags of money to religious schools. So we got our progressive government for another 4 years.”
Obama, Progressives and Health Care Reform
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 17:53:16 in Politics
“But that's not what TJ said. I agree with you that single payer is, absent politics, the most efficient means to the end you seek. But to say "my way or the highway" is hyperbole -- you aptly outline a number of alternatives.
I am Canadian, and I'm perfectly happy with our system. But the Netherlands have a system where insurance is highly regulated and that seems to work OK, too. Think the "public utility" model. I think it makes sense for the public to own the electric company. But Americans are averse to that so they put in place a complex set of regulations whereby a private company provides the service. You still have the occasional California/Enron but by and large it works out.”
I am Canadian, and I'm perfectly happy with our system. But the Netherlands have a system where insurance is highly regulated and that seems to work OK, too. Think the "public utility" model. I think it makes sense for the public to own the electric company. But Americans are averse to that so they put in place a complex set of regulations whereby a private company provides the service. You still have the occasional California/Enron but by and large it works out.”
BLBass replied on Aug 22, 2009 at 18:17:07
“My main problem with the Dutch model is exactly that Enron issue: later Congresses will always have the opportunity to weaken or dismantle regulatory regimes,and sometimes they will. Dismantling a popular program is much, much harder, if not impossible. (Viz. the backing and scraping Republicans do about Medicare, which passed entirely without their party's support.) The health care equivalent of the Gramm-Leach-Blyly act would be disastrous, and might even have similar worldwide ramifications. I would far rather see our country move toward a Canadian, if not a British, model for health care. Has anyone who disagrees considered those potential consequences of executing reform at the level of Netherlands-lite -- the best yet proposed by conservatives?”
Obama, Progressives and Health Care Reform
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 16:04:20 in Politics
“Closer to fascist than socialist. Government-supported corporate power.”
Chernynkaya replied on Aug 22, 2009 at 18:08:28
“Fascism is corporate control of government. That would be Bush Co.”
Obama, Progressives and Health Care Reform
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 16:01:32 in Politics
“Where exactly does the quote support your claim that he "isn't for it?"”
YewNeekId replied on Aug 22, 2009 at 17:29:06
“Second paragraph”
DragonflyChase replied on Aug 22, 2009 at 16:08:37
“the public option, which has somehow come to seem -- wrongly, in my view -- as the ONLY meaningful measure of significant reform."
the public option being seen as the only meaningful measure of reform is wrong in his view.
Well, it IS the only meaningful measure of reform. The other things are musts too, but so is the public option.”
the public option being seen as the only meaningful measure of reform is wrong in his view.
Well, it IS the only meaningful measure of reform. The other things are musts too, but so is the public option.”
Obama, Progressives and Health Care Reform
Commented Aug 22, 2009 at 15:59:05 in Politics
“So "why bother" to pass legislation requiring your mother's insurer to cover her, if you can't have single payer? Is that what you're saying?”
BLBass replied on Aug 22, 2009 at 16:55:43
“No, TJ is right to say why bother passing legislation if we can't be sure that there exists an insurer who would cover his mother's test. If it's truly crucial, then she is being provided less-than-adequate care. Regulating exclusions would be a step that might force Aetna to fulfill its obligation while she's covered, but it's not a guarantee that they couldn't drop her later, or probably sooner. A comprehensive package of regulations would do much to address the issue of accessible care, but less to guarantee access to insurance at all -- it would be tough to enforce a "once in-never out" policy. Having a government-run insurer available as a last resort would guarantee that if Aetna dropped her, TJ's mom could remain covered for an acceptable minimum standard of care. Additionally, to compete effectively for business against a low-cost option, private insurers like Aetna couldn't give up profit entirely so they would have to rely on improved service -- covering a wider array of tests than statutorily mandated, perhaps, or providing access to name-brand drugs when public insurance might limit your choices to generics if they had been found equally effective. Thus the public option addresses both access to and quality of care, and far more effectively than self-regulation has already proven itself. Whether it is possible to craft a package of regulations that achieve the same effect without including a public option is an open question, but I gravely doubt it.”


