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Top 10 (Recent) Developments On Factory Farming And Vegetarianism

Top 10 (Recent) Developments On Factory Farming And Vegetarianism

Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 13:58:17 in Living

“Because once people know the h0rr0r of what eating meat really causes they feel somewhat guilty. Just look at how defensive meat eaters up here are. What do they have to be defensive about if they are so sure that the grotesque crueIty invoIved in getting that steak or chicken wing on their plate doesn't really bother them?

Many meat-eaters don't like their convenient cognitive-dissonance disturbed, it makes them defensive and cranky.”
Top 10 (Recent) Developments On Factory Farming And Vegetarianism

Top 10 (Recent) Developments On Factory Farming And Vegetarianism

Commented Dec 22, 2009 at 13:55:45 in Living

“Hmm... wonder why vegans live the longest then? And vegetarians second longest? I'll give you a hint: Protein-rich foods like:

lentils
legumes
soy beans/tofu
nuts (my personal fav)
hemp & whey protein powder
mushrooms
whole wheat pasta
peanut butter (and almond, etc)
many, many more.”
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Left/Right Populist Outrage Will Defeat Senate Health Care Bill

Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 11:31:41 in Politics

“Spot on, Jane.”
America Without a Middle Class

America Without a Middle Class

Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 11:58:47 in Business

“Couldn't agree more.”
America Without a Middle Class

America Without a Middle Class

Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 11:56:43 in Business

“Bravo!!!! Well said, fanned & faved!”
Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Commented Nov 28, 2009 at 19:34:08 in World

“Spot on, fanned & faved.”
Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Commented Nov 28, 2009 at 19:33:33 in World

“I have to agree. We're nearly corporate slaves. Tying healthcare to one's job was a brilliant move, there.”
Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Dubai Has Always Been Bankrupt -- Morally and Environmentally

Commented Nov 28, 2009 at 19:32:06 in World

“Exactly, it's so maddening.”
Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Commented Nov 22, 2009 at 18:43:32 in Living

“Thank you!!

What's this "panic" she talks about?

Just adopt if you don't get married or have kids and want 'em.”
Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Commented Nov 22, 2009 at 18:36:52 in Living

“Wow, most excellently stated.”
Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Don't Forget to Have Kids -- Part II

Commented Nov 22, 2009 at 18:36:10 in Living

“Boast much? Sheesh.”

kmdippenger replied on Nov 22, 2009 at 19:51:04

“One might think of it as boasting. When I read this post however, I thought of my life and the countless women I know who've had similar experiences. I got my master's degree, had 2 kids and then took my husband's offer of moving to 2 different countries. Life as an expat is amazing. If I'd stayed here would I have been a working mom? I don't know, but raising 2 kids in 2 different European countries provided all of us with enough stimulation that when at a cocktail party, I'm never afraid to answer that I chose to "stay home" and raise my kids.”
Obama One Year Later: The Audacity of Winning vs. The Timidity of Governing

Obama One Year Later: The Audacity of Winning vs. The Timidity of Governing

Commented Nov 03, 2009 at 19:21:42 in Politics

“We didn't vote for not-McCain. We voted to change what Raygun-thru-shrub have wrought on this country.”

PivotalForce replied on Nov 03, 2009 at 20:28:45

“I love Obama, but I'd have voted for a janitor over McCain/Palin.”

KO4Pres replied on Nov 03, 2009 at 19:24:35

“.......and 'not-McCain'. lol”
Obama One Year Later: The Audacity of Winning vs. The Timidity of Governing

Obama One Year Later: The Audacity of Winning vs. The Timidity of Governing

Commented Nov 03, 2009 at 19:20:12 in Politics

“I have to agree. Until I see him change the shrub's poIicies which enraged peopIe of all poIiticaI persuasions, I can't really say he's doing what he was elected to do OR what he seemed to understand we wanted during his campaign.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 30, 2009 at 16:27:25 in Books

“For the record. PETA did not complain. They were APPROACHED and asked what they thought, and they said they wished he had caught the fly & put it outside, which is what I do with any insects I find in my home, too.

It's not OK to kill any of those things, except in the case of self defense, which you could use in the case of something like lice and bacteria. Protecting yourself from being attacked is not the same thing as kiIIing something for the sheer luxury of it. But of course, you knew that, you're just stirring the p0t out of defensiveness and guilt that you are for the kiIIing of innocent Iives for your pIeasure.”

Calinative replied on Oct 31, 2009 at 03:55:48

“The guilt... You're right. I had clams and pasta for dinner. I doubt I'll be able to sleep tonight.

All I hear is the screaming of the clams.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 22:31:17 in Books

“I agree. KiIIing is never humane. WouId we call kiIIing of a human "humane"?”

Garybot replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 23:56:27

“You do consider an abortion to be your right - is that correct?”

belyeu replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 23:03:47

“Without killing there would be no food chain in the animal kingdom.

BTW, a human is a much higher life form than an animal so killing an animal is not equivalent, not even close.

I know there are fringe weirdos who think that killing an animal is the same as killing a human.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 22:30:41 in Books

“So you think it's moraI to kiII other beings because you find them tasty, even though it's a proven fact no one needs to eat them?”

Calinative replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 20:21:47

“So you think it's not OK to kill any animal at all. Basically you're in line with PETA on this.
What about Salmon, crabs, clams, oysters, or shrimp?
What about sea urchins, lobsters, crayfish, or scallops?
Still no...
PETA got upset when Obama swatted a fly.
Is it OK to kill flies? What about bedbugs? What about cockroaches, spiders, or ants?
What about bacteria? What about head lice?

Where do you draw the line exactly?”

juggalo420 replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 12:55:05

“You guys eat chickins, and goats, and cows, and all that without even thinking its wrong. Jeffrey Dahmer eats what he thinks tastes good, and he gets thrown in jail, and murdered. Why? because it is WRONG!!”

warnerholm replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 23:22:20

“PLEASE, can we get real for just a moment. You are all concerned about animals when we are killing Human Babies? Where is the outcry over this issue. Did you ever see an abortion? If we can not protect our own from a gruesom death then how do you expect compassion to be shown to animals? Let us come to grips with this first.”

Calinative replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 23:06:36

“You see there's this thing called the food chain...”

belyeu replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 22:59:03

“helen, It is not immoral to kill animals for food. I think it is immoral to kill animals just for fun or to subjective them to unnecessary cruelty.

The bible does somewhat address this issue and it has never been forbidden.

Historically meat has been eaten by almost every society, so sociologically it is acceptable.

Physiologically we are capable of digesting and eating meat.

just because you think it is immoral does not mean it is.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 22:29:51 in Books

“I'm well aware of the Monsanto Monster. This is apples/oranges. You are saying that stopping factory farming meat will somehow magically be more of a problem then the current practice. That's beyond ignorant. I suggest YOU use the google and do some research.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 21:03:05 in Books

“And how do crops cause poIIution? He didn't expIain that, because it's not true. Plants don't poIIute with methane emission.”

JustMyWords replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 21:49:14

“No, plants do not cause pollution, but you're either seriously deluded or horribly ignorant about farming. The food supply in this country overwhelmingly comes from large factory farms. Crops are treated with large quantities of chemicals which not only can be ingested when the produce is eaten, but also pollute the ground and the water - it's essentially toxic waste with a very long half life. And that's not even taking into consideration the amount of gas consumed by farm equipment, with the corresponding pollution from exhaust and the massive carbon footprint.

Stryker is not the person who needs to be doing additional research.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 21:02:12 in Books

“So you're just ignoring the factory farming issue, then?

And just because you grew up that way doesn't mean it's the only or right way. Farmers nowadays could raise crops, not animals. The market for it is increasing.

Traditional/narrow-minded thinking impedes progress and is party to the incredible suffering and torture of animaIs that goes on today.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 20:59:56 in Books

“I think you can just google "free range meat" and get a lot of info that way.”

cucumber replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 00:56:53

“free range is a deceptive label. It may mean nothing meaningful in terms of animal welfare. as with organic.”

edva replied on Oct 28, 2009 at 21:05:39

“Thanks.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 20:59:25 in Books

“Which would be a good thing. If they can grow enough food to feed the factory farmed animals, they can grow enough to feed us. And of course, they wouldn't have to be feed crops.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 19:49:15 in Books

“Give me ONE example of any allergy that forces people to eat meat.... LOL!! You've got to be kidding. Please don't say allergies to gluten, because that's easily avoidable and not a good subsitution for meat anyway.”

belyeu replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 03:22:48

“Food allergies can cause anemia's which can be treated with meat products.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 19:46:05 in Books

“The difference being, of course, that we have a choice not to kill those animals, as we can subsist quite well on other food sources.

You basically equated humans with all other animals there, so you don't consider us to bear the onus of reponsibility, being the ones in charge? We can't evolve, because other animals eat each other? Weird.”

OceanSize replied on Oct 29, 2009 at 15:12:00

“I believe that many of the reasons we live an existence horribly out of balance with the natural world is because of our insistence that we are somehow above the rest of the animal kingdom. I view this as conceit. It is why Catholic priests can't keep their hands off little boys for example...when you deny our genetic predilection for sex under the auspices that it is immoral, the human system reacts in all sorts of nasty ways. Western medicine is also another fantastic example of how our mistaken conceit over our ability to master nature can backfire...how many of our popular pharmaceuticals create more problems than they solve? My opinion is: just about all of them!

I understand your point that if we have a choice, why choose the option that results in the death of another living creature? The reason that point of view does not resonate with me is because I view that concern as anthropomorphism. I'm sure that animals can feel pain and would rather not, but at the same time I do not believe they have any concept of time other than the present. Death isn't frightening if you don't have the capability of looking forward to anything. It's the pain and discomfort and environmental impact of the meat industry that I have a problem with, but not the act of eating meat.”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 19:44:15 in Books

“Wow, stereotype much?”
The Moral Ferocity of <em>Eating Animals</em>

The Moral Ferocity of Eating Animals

Commented Oct 28, 2009 at 19:43:20 in Books

“You sound incredibly defensive. If you're feeling so guilty about eating meat, maybe now is a good time to stop.”
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