“As a matter of fact I did grow up on a farm. Nature taught me a lot of things, like the fact that nature is harsh and often doesn't seem fair.
. My father taught me a few things, too, like how to trim a horse's feet and how to change the oil in my car, but mostly he taught me "If you have something to say, say it. Only cowards play games with words.:”
“I get accused of that all the time, too. Or I get accused of being a liberal. In truth I'm a political Schrodinger's cat. Both Liberal and conservative at the same time. Let 'em try and figure that one out.”
“Ignorance would be excusable. I think it's more a case of deliberate smartassedness.”
Holofernes on Jun 3, 2014 at 14:10:36
“I will concede to enjoy rousting people up...........This has yielded some intelligent conversations. It has also yielded some nasty individuals like Noreen. She seems to think I am a conservative, despite me having stated nothing of a partisan politics bias.”
“Does deliberate obtuseness run in your family, or are you a politician?”
Holofernes on Jun 3, 2014 at 12:23:59
“The point is people will always have opinions on things, whether they are right or wrong, whether you agree or not, and we live in a country where we are free to express them as we wish, despite your nasty attitude.”
“I don't know what catchup is....is it similar to catsup or ketchup? And I hope you are aware that memorial plates of any type are generally displayed, not used for serving anything...but if someone bought one and wants to use it to serve cheese, with or without "catchup," well, it's their plate. They can do as they please with it, I won't know about it and neither will you, so it's none of your business.
I would like to congratulate you on being so easily manipulated by the press, though. You fell right into their plan. Maybe you could try thinking for yourself next time, and you'll realize you're being led, not given the simple "Who, What, Where, When, and Why" and allowed to make up your own mind. Stop being a sheeple.”
misskat on May 29, 2014 at 20:19:47
“It's spelled a variety of ways. I happen to enjoy spelling it as it sounds..catch up.
The plate being sold is being sold as a CHEESE platter. I am standing by what I said and quite a few people have agreed with me.
No one manipulates me, my dear.
But I have been to New York City. And to this day my eyes well up with tears as the train rolls in and passes by Fire Stations where I can remember names being posted.
I congratulate you on being heartless. It must be nice to be so very cool, hellyontop.So very nice indeed.Hope you manage to stay on top. Hope you never lose someone in a tragedy.”
“I also don't think they're thinking for themselves. The tone of the article is very negative, and the author used words like "tacky" so people will tend to think negatively about the idea. Personally I tend to think for myself, rather than let someone else tell me what to think.”
“They have a gift shop at the visitors center at the USS Arizona memorial. They have one at the various Holocaust memorials. And Hiroshima. And Nagasaki. And just about any other place in the world that is a memorial or museum and isn't sitting in the middle of Arlington National Cemetery....which happens to have a bookstore, so it looks like your comment is a bit irrelevant.”
svancotts on May 29, 2014 at 15:41:32
“I was thinking the same thing. Churches have gift shops, battlefields etc. I don't think the people commenting here get out very much.”
“Don't be absurd. They have a gift shop at the visitor's center at the USS Arizona Memorial. They have gift shops at the memorials at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. There are gift shops at the various Holocaust memorials. What makes these people such special snowflakes?
Hint; they are not.
You need to get a grip.”
misskat on May 29, 2014 at 19:23:22
“You like the idea of the cheese platter? Think that's appropriate?
I can see books perhaps, but a cheese platter? Maybe you could dribble catchup over the places the planes hit.”
“And I'm sorry, but you are either misinformed or just plain wrong.
First of all, respecting others does not mean you have to acquiesce to their requests. it's possible to respectfully decline to provide a service, and that is what the bakery owners did. They didn't mock the couple, they didn't shout at them or attempt to run them out on a rail. They just respectfully said "Sorry, but no. This is against our beliefs and we can't do it."
I also have not seen anywhere that they've expressed being "upset" about closing their bakery, although they have every right to be upset.
Last of all, the owners of the bakery are not suggesting they should be treated with respect. I am the one who is doing that, and I stand by it. My comments were not made to be specific about just this instance, but were general in nature. There is far too much mean in the world.
Larry, two wrongs don't make a right. Even if you think they did disrespect the lesbian couple, it's not an excuse to be disrespectful. Rise above it. It's an opportunity to show the world you're better than that.”
That pretty much says it all, and it's a pretty pathetic thing to say..”
stealur on May 26, 2014 at 01:58:22
“You're reading what you want to. That pretty much says it all, and it's pretty pathetic. They do not raise the value of the product. Therefore, paying them more would be bad business. I'm sorry I don't live in fairy tale land where businesses should just give money to people for nothing. If they produced something, or offered something that would make the business money, sure, pay them. If not, say bye-bye. Why don't you pay tons of people to not make you any money? Surely they're worth it.”
“That was the most pitiful attempt to excuse not paying someone their legally guaranteed minimum wage that's been posted on this thread. Absolutely pitiful.”
stealur on May 25, 2014 at 22:52:17
“I'm not excusing anything. I'm saying goodbye to cheerleading. Like I said, they aren't worth minimum wage, so they'll end their existence. No more cheerleaders. Nobody will notice except those who used the platform to further their careers, namely, the cheerleaders themselves.”
May 25, 2014 at 13:57:40
“Then how about reparations to blacks from other blacks in Africa who sold them into slavery in the first place. How about reparations should be made by both blacks and whites to the Native Americans' who's land they stole?
Sorry. I don't owe the black race anything. If anything, they owe me, and when I sit by them at the local casino and watch them lose their money I giggle to myself and say "Thank you very much."”
“Andrew, your "joke" was mean spirited, disrespectful, unkind, intolerant and not compassionate. Jokes that are mean spirited, disrespectful, unkind, intolerant and not compassionate generally come from people of the same ilk, so if the shoe fits........
You asked me what I suggest you should do. If you didn't want to know, why did you ask? I suggested ways you could behave that would not be so negative. If you don't want to be viewed as ordinary, be extraordinary.
If you could actually manage to respond to the Kleins with the exact words I used to you, yes it would be okay....because I addressed your BEHAVIOR, which was all the things I said it was. Can you address their BEHAVIOR without Does that little detail escape you?”
ElTerremoto on May 25, 2014 at 13:42:32
“I was addressing their behavior (definition: the way in which one acts or conducts oneself, especially toward others). They were acting in a way that was "mean spirited, disrespectful, unkind, intolerant, and not compassionate". I didn't go the direct route as you did, I made a joke to illustrate the same point.
The funny thing is Helen, I don't think you and I differ on the core issue of marriage equality. You are clearly a very rational person who has well thought out and insightful posts. I respect the personal belief of the Kleins in their private life, but I think their failure to respect their business license and role as a public entity in a secular sphere crosses the line.
I can tolerate a person who says they don't believe in marriage equality due to personal or religious reasons. I think it takes a certain level of crazy or self entitlement to extrapolate that personal belief into a public sphere and dictate those beliefs upon others. That was the essence of the joke.
It is also clear that we have differing practical definitions in the application of tolerance (silly logical paradoxes aside, i.e., tolerance includes tolerating intolerance). I see value in forcefully rebutting those who seek to proselytize and subvert constitutional protections against a minority. I believe it is why we have seen gay marriage acceptance go from 27% in 1996 to 54% in 2014. Silence and certain forms of tolerance are a form of collusion to majority tyranny.”
“Jerry, I'm not disbelieving you, but trust me, thin, athletic women do get rude remarks about their bodies. I'm 5'9" and an equestrian. At one point in my life I weighed 115 pounds. I was told not to stick my tongue out or people would think I'm a zipper. I was told I shouldn't eat beans because people would think I was pregnant. I was told I look like a boy with boobies. I was called giraffe, slats, sticks, stilts, and worse. It happens. I'm surprised that you've never run into it.”
tvelicia on May 26, 2014 at 09:06:55
“I don't even have words to express my feelings about that name-calling you have endured! I have endured it as well, and it's just sad that it's "okay" to shame and disparage thin women in that manner.”