“I have no idea of any of his fights. Im simply stating ONE example and use Elvis cause 99% would understand the referance. Point is poor or rich people can be strong and good fighters. More welath more time you can focus on perfecting any talent and be a better fighter.”
“oh now I see it yes, thank you, youre so smart. You can use spell check and everything!!!!! You twisting her question from her simply asking what would you/she as a mother tell the ones that did loose thier child in to some rampage about Bill Clintons and Mitt Romneys war background. That was not the question nor was that whatI commented on. I did not comment on anything other than that question but you went off on randomness to bring it back in to what you wanted to say. Thats called a red herring or Strawman tactic. Im sure you know what they are due to your abitlty to use spell check. (yes that was an ad hominem) But again Id expect nothing less than a Democrat. Do you now get it...? I already know the answer.”
colinmincy on Oct 22, 2012 at 01:39:27
“1. I didn't need spell check to know how to spell difference. It's a secondary school vocabulary word, but you might.
2. Please remember that Mitt and Ann were to appear on The View TOGETHER, and Mittens backed out of his appearance. So if Whoopi had the question she couldn't ask Ann as a candidate as she would if Mitt had the courage to show, so she asked Ann in a capacity of the only job Ann as ever had besides wife... a mother. It's not twisting the question. The premise remains and it is a perfectly good one. No tactic necessary, it's as obvious as the color of the daytime sky. (That's blue by the way.)
3. I love every bit about being a Democrat and regardless how you try to spin it as an atribute I should be ashamed of, you should know that it warms my heart to be a liberal, or a lib, or a Dem, or a Democrat or whatever meaningless label you want to refer to me as. It warms my heart. And what's more, the fact that you aren't one, makes me feel as if I've made the right choice.”
“Yes I get it. For your narrow assessment of people only poor can innovate. I know mannnnyyy poor people that are in the same slums of 20 years (where’s the innovation just from being poor) I know rich people that were poor.....my brother. So you see your confusing causation with correlation. You get it? Im not going to hold my breath.”
“Your comment above is why I could never be a Democrat ..(well one of the many 10000000's) this is the clasical fallacy of making a disticntion without a real differance. You said words but......?”
colinmincy on Oct 21, 2012 at 14:00:47
“Let me explan it to you, so you can undersatnd the "difference" (spelled correctly in MY post). Obama was not eligible to serve in Vietnam but was attacked for not having military experience, and Bill Clinton spent a considerable amount of time defending charges of being a draft dodger. So here is Mitt Romney and his 5 adult sons who were age at times of war, many wars where Mitt supported those wars. The reason you can't find the difference is the problem. There is no difference between what Whoopi asked and what was asked of Clinton or used against Obama. Which brings my charge that Republicans who cry foul on Whoopi's question are hypocrites, if they didn't cry foul when the question was posed to others. Get it now?”
“Let me understand form Odonnells point of view you have to be poor to be tough? Id love to see him say things like that to Elvis, while born poor became a fighter and respected Karate fighter because of his welth that allowed him to be a good fighter. As not all rich are tough nor are all poor tough. but being rich can allow you to have free time to learn a fighting skill. LIke I did, and if goober wants to bring it to me..hombre..dimelo!!!”
IUNDERSTAND on Oct 21, 2012 at 14:40:37
“Elvis may have taken Karate but tell me of one fight he was in that his Memphis Mafia didn't handle for him give me a break”
RJB Boston on Oct 21, 2012 at 06:14:53
“u take things too literally. people who grow up poor have a hard scrabble life and are generally more able to live off their wits. get it?”
“You all know this attempt from woopie to try and have a "gotcha" moment with Mrs. Romney is sad and disgusting ..but typical from her. Mrs. Romney’s answer should of been something along the lines of:
Fart box (whoopie) "how will you visit with mothers who have lost their sons in war when yours didn't go?"
Mrs. Romney, "I’m sure I would visit w/ them the same way our current First lady would".
Fb (whoopie) "but she does not have sons".
Mrs. Romney "but I love my sons as she loves her daughters that didn’t go either, and I hope never do. So I would visit w/ those who lost with the same love and understanding that a mother has towards their children. The fact that my sons did not go and our current First lady did not go is not taking away from the fact that she and I love our children as those who lost their children. And in that love we both share for our children we can truly understand the lost that others are feeling for those that did serve and did lose".
In other words goofie..Whoopie your gotcha question is stupid! And shows your intellect”
Aug 26, 2012 at 20:55:06
“I didnt go to CFA but I did go see the film (ive also read obamas books). Im not fat (not by any mean I do MMA btw) and not a bigot. And ill vote for against Obama, by voting Romney but not for Romney.”
“I like you. I see we disagree on some areas, but you are well informed ( I just fanned you) and that’s nice to see here, and do try to be objective The board would not allow me to comment on your last comment to me, so I post here.Yes, after I posted my last comment to you I saw that I incorrectly thought it was you about the Int honest thing.”
“I also agree w you that often people do say liberty for all when they really want to say more liberty for the select group, and I challenge them and defy them. Again, I agree 2 people in a room will never been equal (equal in talent equal in height, looks ect) but Im not for equality as much as I want them all to be free, free to pursue their own interest. In freedom all have the equal chance to pursue their own interest. In equality, no one is free. As for greed, we are all greedy. Even in nature its natural to see greed. You ever see a tree give up water to another plant. Everyone says greed is bad, I say its natural. I say follow nature and use the natural system to allow all to be free to pursue their own interest (greed) as long as it does not interfere on the other doing the same. Sadly my ideas are not realistic because others don’t understand them (freedom) and in their greed, they want a central government to prevent others from freedom so that they can use the coercive power of the gov to protect and give them the special treatment that they would not enjoy otherwise. Liberty is liberal, liberal to pursue your own interest better your condition, as long as your actions don’t prevent others from doing the same.”
“I challenge you to expand on your assertions that root word of Liberal and Liberty show causality. I believe you are confusing "causality and correlation” My name correlates with a man in history whose name also is rooted as mine that killed many pople. Based on your assertion does that cause me to do/want the same, just because there's a correlation in our name?does cat and catapult share same root word, should I hold true that a cat built it, or that its to lance in the beginning only cats, just because it shares a same “root” word?
I am a liberal, I am a liberal not in the modern use of the word (its been kidnaped and perverted by the liberals of today ..ie the progressives). I would suggest a liberal (using the modern word) is very conservative. They want what all governments with only 2 exceptions ( 24 bc Greece, and early Rome -before creasers) to do what governments have always done, take away individual freedoms "liberty" and replace it with the central powerful governments. Now keep in mind they always say its for the good of the people, but it takes away “liberty” for the benefit of the select few, with almost no exception.
Republicans tend to side on less government ( Gov is the only entity that can force the individuals "liberty" away. Dems take property (by force) from some and give to others, and in doing so control the “liberties" of both.”
greenmonk on Aug 16, 2012 at 12:11:54
“You confuse "liberal" with "communist". The modern day American liberal accepts we live in a Capitalist world. We believe in free enterprise. We support small business. We think there should be a balance of public and private. Those things that are of vital importance to our well-being like the Armed Forces, or the Police, Firefighting, Education, food safety...should have public oversight. In other countries Health Care is also in that circle and is regarded as a right and not a privilege like in the USA. The Armed Forces is a socialist army....that is all tax payers pool to create a national system that works for ALL. But somehow doing the same for citizens health care is considered off limits? Not having to worry about what will happen if you or your family gets seriously ill is a type of liberty, because it leaves you free to not worry about that.
Liberals want everyone to have the freedom to start a small business. The Republcans represent the interests of giant monopolies that want to squash these small businesses. To us, this means LESS choices...ie..less liberty.
More benefits to the middle class and poor to lift them up so they can contribute to society more. Instead of the Republican plan of distributing your taxes to the very wealthy in the slim hope that they will invest in job creation and won't do as Romney does...stash his loot away”
“You are showing a large gap in the reality of history and your understanding of the truth of that history. By your statement alone where you say "Those people were called southerners and they were Democrats. Now they are all republicans" is factually incorrect. By using your own words, it’s your assertion so you have to prove how all the Democrats in the south changed to Republicans all the while accounting for the Democrats in the south that are not Republicans. However greater point than showing your simple fallacy is that you are simply wrong, and can never prove your assertion. Your next 2 sentences don’t make sense please rephrase or clarify. Your last sentence "These same people who....." I'm to assume these people from what decade? are still alive? How can you prove just because someone is from the south and republican that does not approve of Obamas policies as being bitter just because he’s black? Does your statement still hold true if he is a Democrat from the south and not approve of Obama's polices, or does that only apply if a person is a Republican? If that does not still hold true, why does it not?
I'll await your responce (im sure it wont come). Please dont use strawman tactics.”
“haha just because you disagree with the few and as you say "other dozens" that are in HW group does not make them low effort thinkers. However, your admission that only there is only a few when you said "the other dozens" that do lean to conservative views has easily proven my point and you even agreed. Im sure you don’t want to, but you did. I simply through tongue-n-cheek satire said that I was shocked someone from HW leans liberal and did not approve of Romney...and made fun that HP actually treated it like it was news because everyone there does except the “other dozens”.
Thanks for helping me make my point and agreeing w/ the reality of the HW left. BTW, all the HW actors, directors ect are all corporatist. And may I add, very good at it....look at their bank accounts! I don’t fault them for it, nor do I ask the government to take it from them to give to others. Its their money/property.
BTW, your ad hominem attack on me and your use of the strawman did not go unnoticed. ....was cute try...yawn”
“My point was in the basics of the history of the Dems as so many think the Dems were/are so giving to others I wanted to show the dark history that the dem party has (they already assume the reps are bad, so I stayed w/ the dems history). I agree 100% w/ you about groups. That’s why I am a liberal in the traditional sense of the word not this central control we need government person. It has always been the gov. the ones in control that took freedoms and liberty from the masses. If all are free then we have more equality to all. If all are equal we have no freedom. I prefer we all have freedom from gov suppression.
Rand was welcome to believe what she wanted she lived well in to her 80's. I dont see her views as being misguided, she was very intelligent and knew what she was saying, so I would not use misguided in any sense of the word. If you thought she was condescending ( you and I may agree there) but she has such right to do so and be as she chooses, whys that matter or even her finances at her death? Just months before her death she was still out giving speeches at events she was invited to. However, again why did you bring her up? And Im still yet to see how I was being intellectually dishonest as you accused me of such earlier.”
cellarette on Aug 15, 2012 at 17:17:44
“No, another poster accused you of being intellectually dishonest. I have respect for anyone who has come to this country legally and worked hard -which certainly includes mastering the language instead of expecting everyone else to adapt to theirs. I would not call myself a liberal in any sense (perhaps I lack the courage to be liberal in some areas), I am probably more a realist and a pragmatist. We differ on the idea of "government supression" which is often a bogey man trotted out by the very people who constantly warn of the loss of freedom while seeking to limit it for people who are not very like themselves or controllable. We cannot be entirely free or equal- even 2 people in a room aren't equal. Libertarianism fails just as Marxism fails-human nature prevents either from being anything but fantasy. Ayn Rand had delusions of grandeur, I'm not imagining that & she is an idol for the ambitious these days -she gives permission for greed. Intelligent? Yes. Emotionally sound? No. Realistic? Absolutely not. You're a bit close to the edge- try not to fall off. ”
“I was refering to the idea in general that hollywood is liberal.However, Im sure you got that but you went for a gotcha. Everyone knows RR was at one point an actor, just as all know theyre some conseratives in HW. But in general its not so, so it should not come as any big supprise!”
greenmonk on Aug 15, 2012 at 15:00:54
“Yes, I admit it was a gotcha. But it shows how we stereotype and dismiss based on location or profession.
And yes, whether they live in Hollywood or not, writers, actors, musicians, painters etc...all those in the creative sector tend to be liberals. Did you ever wonder why? Liberal and Liberty are derived from the same root word. Most people that liberate themselves and open their minds in the creative fields travel and start to learn more about the world around them and choose the more tolerant and open political stance. The Republicans stand for the opposite of creativity where only money and the colour of your skin matters. Is it any wonder that those in that field would choose Dems over Reps?”
“wow, im insulted. If I added it takes one to know one would my come back be as thoughtful as yours was?...rolling eyes.”
babyjesussaysso on Aug 15, 2012 at 13:27:36
“Based upon the 2 I've read, it is highly unlikely that any post you could possibly compose could be considered thoughtful. I guess you have never heard of reagan or any of the other dozens of those in the so called "hollywood group" that are low effort thinking baggers who support the corporatists that you shill for.”
“What is a faux news? Is that some cute play ground way of belittling fox news? Thats cute, I remember kids doing that stuff to each other when I was in 3rd grade. It was always easier for them to call names than to state facts and positions on reality. I guess I should stop expectiong more from "adults" than 3rd graders..esp when they use the same tactics!”
“hang on...hang on...one second!. Do you mean to tell me that a person that is involved with the Hollywood group does not believe a Republican is a better choice over a Democrat?!?!?! This truly is news.
Why don’t they simply write something we would not otherwise know about him..say like what is his favorite flavor of Ice cream. Oh yeah, that we'd all know too. That would be, all of them, all the time!”
greenmonk on Aug 15, 2012 at 04:58:36
“Yeah you can't trust those in the "Hollywood group" like Ronald Reagan for instance. Traded weapons to terrorists and spent like a loonie.”
“Why have you changed the argument? Why are you now going from a silly statement of "..for some reason" now to talk about some news station? If you only know basic histroy I now know you can be very easly manipulated. For your benifit learn it. turst me its not pretty. Lesson one and the most important lesson no one person can force people to do anything, only do governments force and control and kill other people ..btw the always say its "for the good of the others" or "fairness" thats the basic rule of histroy, now learn how to stop the government from taking god given liberties from people by making government have less power and individuals have more. A quote for you "where there is equality there is no freedom, where there is a great deal of freedom, there is a great deal of equality"”
“No, I’m not at all; ON the contrary, I'm stating the historical facts of the dem party. I'm making no claims on either view, but on their voting record. How am I being intellectually dishonest? Show the example of such. If you want me to not me intellectually dishonest and not compare apples and oranges your question should of been "Do I think a "Republican or a Democrat" (in the general sense) in 1887 would support marriage equality for gay people (although I don’t see this as anything more than a mere straw man). My answer for a non on point questions would be (in general) a clear no on both sides. But what’s your point? What does that have to do with the clear written facts of history? While you’re at it please show the examples of my intellectual dishonesty.”