“Obama wins only 26% of whites in the Democratic primary and you think he's got a chance at taking the state in a general election? Do you think white Republicans are going to be more progressive and make up the numbers? Anyone who thinks Obama can take the deep south in the general election is living in la-la land...”
vipersdad on Mar 12, 2008 at 13:31:44
“Yes - 26% of the Whites and 90% of the Blacks. Do the math - it's possible.”
ColoradoAngryRU on Mar 12, 2008 at 12:34:16
“And so you believe with Hillary's racist campaign shrills it can be won then? If so, count me out! Come to think of it just count me out on Hillary period. Same old same old over and over again.”
“Wrong. Obama had no reason to vote present on antipro-chice bills in Illinois. He was a state senator for one of the most liberal districts in Illinois, and there was no threat to his seat in voting appropriately. The video put out by his campaign of Lorna Brent howard has been debunked by IL NOW President Pat Grabenhofer, see http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view.php?id=26921
Lorna has since responded saying, "Bonnie is correct. I was not the president of Chicago NOW when Senator Obama made the “present” votes. I never said I was." In viewing the video however, it is obvious she is strongly implying that she was. After stating that Hillary Clinton accused Obama of not being strong on abortion rights she says, "That is pataently false, I was President of IL NOW at the time." Obviously that sounds like she is saying she was president at the time Hillary referred to. She is clearly inferring that se was presidnet at the time Obama repeatedly voted present.”
“According to the latest Pew research poll, 25% of Clinton supporters will vote for McCain if Obama get the nomination, while 10% of Obama supporters will vote for McCain if Clinton gets the nomination.”
cocote on Mar 4, 2008 at 03:39:17
“Which just means that despite everything the Clintonites are telling you about Obama's supporters being dumb, naive, duped, they--the Obama supporters--are the more responsible, clear-headed ones, the ones who realize that while they ardently support their candidate now, if it comes to a general election between a war-mongering Republican and their second choice democratic candidate, they have no choice but to vote for the Democrat. That's the responsible, adult thing to do, and right now more Obama supporters than Clinton ones are willing to say it. Paul Krugman is definitely wrong on where all the hostility and intolerance is coming from.
For those Clintonians who say they are unwilling to support Obama in a general election matchup against McCain, the very simple and urgent question is "why not?"
1)Their political positions are very, very similar, as they themselves admit.
2)Experience, she has more, but it's not that cut and dry, given that we don't know much about her actual experience as First Lady. (Example: claim in 3am ad that "she knows the world's leaders?" What does that even mean? She met the ones who were around in the 90s at state dinners?)
3) If you want to really look at their comparative experience, compare their senate records: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/20/201332/807 and follow the link to the Library of Congress website that has the raw material if you want to look at it and develop your own spin.
4)He is a million times better than McCain. Unlike McCain, he won't get us into war in Iran; he will not support tax cuts for the rich; he will get us a lot closer to universal healthcare than McCain; he will value diplomacy again unlike McCain; he will do a lot more for labor and the environment than McCain.
Grow up. Support your candidate now. In November, support a democrat. Obama people--the alleged adolescents--mostly see this. The mature selfish Clintonites seem not to.