May 19, 2014 at 14:19:47
“He could look it up on the internet. Even if he didn't intend it, it's what he did. If I said something sexist or homophobic, without intending it, I would still apologize for being offensive. It's just basic politeness.”
Albert Westpy on May 19, 2014 at 16:08:24
“Just what is it that he could have looked up on the internet as you suggest ?
If there were no malice intended, as I believe, why would he look anything up as you suggest ?
If you said something sexist or homophobic you would know it and have a reason to apologize. He did not say anything. He put a fake witches nose on.
I would never apologize for someone else is persecution complex. If anyone thinks that the act of putting on a witches nose is feeding into Jewish stereotypes is in need of help.
By the way, talking about "basic politeness" when was the last time you apologized for something that you did not do.
I think that you need to reread my post or have someone read it to you. A night school class in basic logic would also be helpful.”
May 19, 2014 at 14:14:57
“It's not a left-right issue. I found it offensive and I'm a non-Jewish leftist.”
ameraudi on May 20, 2014 at 04:56:38
“Your offended, meaning what exactly? has it harmed you in any way shape or form? NO. I wish people would stop being stuck in the past and open their eyes. With what the jews have done, ARE doing and continue to do to the Palestinians. The present and future is more important than holding on to the past. If you find this offensive but the slaughtering of throusands of men, women and children in Gaza NOT offensive or not even on your radar then you are pathetic and are blind to the agony and suffering going on.”
“Japanese were coming over at the same time as Italians, Russian Jews, various Eastern European ethnic groups, and Lebanese. So, compare us to these white groups. Have we been allowed to integrate as much as these other turn of hte century immigrant groups?”
“The US was also in a period of extreme anti-Asian racism.
As far as German Americans and German leaders - there were clubs that were supportive of Hitler. Likewise Italian Americans and Mussolini. These clubs shut down, of course, but they were your run of the mill right-wing expatriate organizations.
I think there were some Japanese immigrants who felt split, or were interested in Japanse politics, but by the 1940s, 2/3 or more of the Japanese American community were born in the US. The immigration of Japanese started around 1880, and basically ended around 1906, with the Gentlemans' Agreement. 1941 was 35 years after the cessation of Japanese immigration.
Nearly all the immigrants would be over the age of 50, and the vast majority of people below age 50 would have been born here.”
“Around 3000 people were arrested and imprisoned by Jan 1942 - but mostly Japanese and German. So, no there weren't tens of thousands of Italians and Germans interned. These were considered the people who were at risk of doing something. There were, before WW2, organizations in the US supportive of Hitler and Mussolini, in the German and Italian communities. If you led one of these, you'd get a visit from the police.
That's totally different from the round ups on the west coast, which were entire families, not just specific individuals.
Also, during the war, Roosevelt lifted the "enemy alien" status for around 800,000 Italian American and German American people. These immigrants for a year or more had to carry "papers" and be registered with the government, but after a lot of lobbying by political groups, they had that status lifted.
The situation during WW1 was different, and I think that a lot of German American communities suffered during WW1 due to anti-German racism.”
9759928 on Apr 18, 2014 at 17:40:42
“Those "3,000" weren't American citizens. They were German nationals, without proper visas, who were en route to South America, and were about to be deported anyway. That the U.S. government rounded them up on the pretext of their nationality is completely false. They were interned because they didn't have any right to be in the U.S. and the U.S. didn't want to turn them over to a known enemy in a time of war.”
“At least it didn't go so far. A lot of people have been detained without arrest, some more than a year. So we're not exactly clean. This will eventually get researched, and it will be a shameful incident.”
“There are stories you don't hear much about, but the Native Americans were sympathetic and helped out. Blacks did too. After the war, in LA, Blacks hired or helped out JAs who were returning, and people were grateful. A lot of different people were very sympathetic to the plight of Japanese Americans, but you're not really going to hear these stories.”
“The Communists won China because it was the Communists who helped eject Japan from China. We don't really consider that WW2 for us was, for China, a war for independence from colonization by Japan.
Something people don't consider about Japanese immigrants is that they were virtually ejected by Japan. There were land shortages due to a rapidly declining death rate and technological improvements. There were too many people, and too little land, so people emigrating from Japan were leaving situations of poverty and hunger, and the government was assisting the process by starting "work colonies" in the Americas, and encouraging people to work in Hawaii as farm labor.
Imagine if, during this last recession, the US government was encouraing the unemployed to emigrate. Do you think they'd have loyalty to the US of A?”
“OK, you can leave racist fantasy land now. Modernization had crowded the island, and led to hunger, and that's why many Japanese were encouraged to leave the country in the 1880s, with many ending up in the US. There were even more in Latin America. The presures of modernity also motivated Japan to see colonies to conquer, to get natural resources like food and oil. They successfully won against Russia and China, and had the confidence of a growing empire.
Also, regarding the fighting fervor - it was present in Germany, which had also been relatively successful in taking over a huge portion of Europe. Italy - not so great.
The energy would be depleted as supply lines and materials were cut off. People in the US have stories of deprivation during the war, but the stories I hear about Japan during the war are worse. People were subsisting on wheat flour dumplings and soup.
The main reasons why Americans feared Japanese Americans was because they looked foreign. 75% were born here, but they weren't white. Also, the US was a very racist country at the time -- Asians weren't allowed to become naturalized citizens, own land, or marry whites. Asians had only recently been allowed to engage in armed combat for the military.
The economic motivations were also obvious: Japanese had gotten into farming, and the older farmers didn't like the competition. They saw opportunity in helping to dispossed their rivals of their farms.”
darthconservatus on Apr 18, 2014 at 12:01:08
“Your attempted comparison of the "fighting fervor" bw Germany and Japan is completely wo merit and is "fantasy - leftist revisionist history ". Show me one Japanese equivalent of the mass surrender of germans at Stalingrad (over 100k Germans surrendered). There is nothing close. The number of Japanese surrenders were miniscule. The allies took hundreds of thousands of German prisoners from North Africa onward. This never happened with Japanese prisoners as surrender was disgraceful (however - a small amount of Japanese did surrender and I am sure that there perhaps more - if they could have - would have) but the numbers would still be hugely lopsided. Show me examples of any other combatant nation where soldiers committed suicide on such a large scale that, near the end of the war, their military commanders had to try to order them to stop. Japan is the only one. The savage and abusive training of Japanese enlisted soldiers created a unique fighting force. Do you also deny that - with the possible competition of German treatment of Russian POW's and vice versa - Japan was the most brutal to its POW's? Have you read "Yamashita's Gold" (this also makes the US look terrible but for different reasons). Maybe you want to whitewash what the Japanese did in WWII (google revision of history books and you will see that high ranking Japanese politicians are pushing this).”
“Oh please. It's 2014. Stop it with the bogus rationalizing. The main reason why the nukes were dropped was to demonstrate to Russia that, after the war, the USSR shouldn't think about trying to grab too much of Europe.
Japan was close to tapped out. They were using bamboo to manufacture the "bombs" loaded into the Kamikaze planes. When you're resorting to suicide bombers because you lack fuel and explosives, you're going to lose.”
“The Republican paper, the OC Register, opposed it. At the time, CA was a Republican state mostly, and there must have been splits in it. Warren also switched from conservative to liberal over time. Things change.”
“These are the "nice" Ansel Adams pictures. Dorothea Lange took some that weren't nice, and the government hid them until this past decade. Also, there are some taken illegally by internees, and, again, it's not so nice. Some people objected - the Quakers did, the Communists did, and the conservative OC Register paper did. What happened to silence a lot of people was collaboration between Mike Masaoka, the JACL which he led, and the FBI. He snitched out the liberals and civil rights advocates, destroyed their papers, and silenced criticism.
The government had and inside man, and he ran the main "civil rights" organization.”
ajcii on Apr 18, 2014 at 06:31:19
“Well, first my comment concerned the photos on HP. Second, I know some objected at the time, as now. The "liberals", FDR et al, were responsible. Communists objecting to internment is like Democrats objecting to entitlements. Yes, it was not nice, it was illegal, and it was real.”
“The situation for German Americans in WW1 was very different. They were ostracised more, beat up, and suffered racism. Partly, this was because they weren't yet considered to be totally American. They lived in German language speaking communities, and in Germantowns. After that, there was a push to "Americanize" ethnic whites into the mainstream (which mean the white mainstream). So the idea of "white" wasn't just automatic - groups had to be brought into it through some government programs.”
“There were a lot of German Americans, and only a fairly small numbere were imprisoned. Also, there were openly fascist, Hitler supporting clubs in the German community, so.... just let that sink in. Same with Italian Americans. AP Giannini, of Bank of America, was involved with some group that was pro-Mussolini, but Italian Americans weren't rounded up. In fact, there was a POW camp in L.A. near Little Italy and after the war, the Italian POWs were allowed to stay if they wanted.”