“So what have the Democrats given us? A watered down healthcare bill, continued war, a financial package that is vaporware with Wall Street still laughing all the way to their banks with our money. Figure it out people the Democrats are no better perhaps even worse since they promise so much more and then waffle and end up cowing before the slightest resistance. As long as these two parties rule America corporations are bound to end up with the people as expendable cost cutting deletions from the bottom line. The alternative to start with is term limits (one term and then out) federally mandated for Congress. Throw them all out of office. Recall them All. Recall them All. Recall them All.”
MinasTirith on Jul 14, 2010 at 14:59:21
“The act of creation is always more difficult than the act of destruction, and always takes more time and energy...
That the Dems have not been able to fix in a short time what the Repubs have destroyed over a much longer period of time, is not a surprise. Well, except maybe to you.”
Jerseytime on Jul 14, 2010 at 14:29:08
“and your solution is?”
MattNCentFla on Jul 14, 2010 at 14:23:19
“Tell your Republican buddies to stop getting in the way of the effort of those that are trying to clean up the mess they made. then you can start criticizing.”
DaveC19 on Jul 14, 2010 at 14:05:04
“Ok so blame the Dems for not getting us out good enough but blame the Repubs for getting us into the mess in the first place.
I think we know who the lesser of the two evils are here.”
Jul 1, 2010 at 13:55:32
“You don't have to let go of the past. You simply transform it. Build another outcome. Consciousness is mutable. Most do not realize this and that is why they get stuck. Take control of your life by taking control of your Consciousness. You do not need a coach for this simply because a coach is just another crutch and once they are gone there you are left with just your thoughts. All you have to do is to change your mind and recognize that you did so. Keep changing your mind until you are thinking about what you want to...ex. a goal you are pursing whatever it may be. If the past intrudes such as in bringing you down recognize that these are only thoughts which may be dismissed like annoying bugs that buzz you in the humidity of summer. Step into the air conditioning away from those bugs and get your composure back. Think your thoughts not someone else's. Be very cautious of letting others speak for you even if they mean well or you are paying them (a coach ) to do so. At a certain point you will have to figure this out for yourself. Start one thought at a time and then build a mansion of positive thoughts all the while remembering to let go of any interference that comes your way. Let of the past only be becoming confident in your ability to change your mind at a moment's notice. Like now for example”
“Did anyone I hear say CONSPIRACY. Oops sorry to raise my voice. The Jew haters who masquerade as whatever certainly have to work much harder these days when fact checks and informed citizens are ready to call in their charade of intelligent mockery.
So many have used the theoretical Jewish question and answer session to blood libel Israel and the Jews throughout history so I guess its your turn to give it you best shot although really so much effort. You see that is the telling underpining of this article; the amount of effort to twist and turn and make it seem like Israel is some kind of monster.
Luckily (thank G-d) it was a sophomoric effort at best.
It is a no brainer that without Israel as a power in the Middle East chaos rules, oil prices sky rocket and the world gets set on terrorist fire. G-d bless Israel always.”
lbsaltzman on Jun 10, 2010 at 17:28:37
“As a Jew I resent people making false charges of anti-semitism such as you have done. Cry wolf too often and when real anti-semitism rears its' ugly head nobody will listen. You don't have to agree with the author, you don't have to like the article, but if all you can do is engage in name calling you hardily are arguing effective for your point of view. There is not a word of hatred in this article. It is intelligent well written and factual.”
SamSeven on Jun 10, 2010 at 17:20:43
“Im sure the Middle East would go up in flames if Israel wasnt there..Please. It was the Birts and the French who divided the Middle East after WW1 to the situation it is now in. The US/Oil Companies fund through aid and corporate aid to keep those dictators and monarchs in place. Power corrupts absolutely. Israel is also a creation of the Brits and the UN.
Treason is treason no matter what race you are. Law has to apply to everyone or no one.”
Amryxx on Jun 10, 2010 at 17:20:23
“So are you going to substantiate any of your whi- I mean, allegations up there? Did the author said anything about a shadowy Jewish cabal poisoning wells and plotting to take over the world? How about approaching the article by its own merits instead?”
Enliberate on Jun 10, 2010 at 17:17:10
“There you go, oil prices sky rocket? The reason for Israel's existence is that it is the base, or al-qaeda, for the West. Thanks for summing up my argument so brilliantly.”
WRichardWagner on Jun 10, 2010 at 17:15:57
“Jew hater? Grow up. Name calling is not an impressive argument. The word 'jew' was not even used in this article. If you go around crying wolf all the time, nobody will believe you when someone actually is a 'jew hater'.
Also, simply throwing the word conspiracy, and conspiracy theory at someone is not really effective as a means to discredit an idea anymore.”
“We get what we deserve because we believe we are powerless so we sit back and gripe about this or that all the while abdicating at last our voting rights.
Get up and do something, go out there and make a difference. If you cannot do these things then forget about someone who cares doing it for you. Obama has become a sidewinder coming into town with a good spiel and then walking off with our trust, our money and our hope.
YES WE CAN meant that Obama could become President not that he would actually do anything. Call this then the theoretical presidency. It seemed to be and yet never actually became what it seemed. 'Tell the people what they want to hear.' That will get you elected. Once in office posture, theorize, make it look like you are doing something by watering down a health package or gutting a financial package. This President just doesn't want to get his hands dirty. Call him Mr Clean. He shows anger only when it is scripted as anger.
Bush did not disappoint me. He lived up to his incompetence. Obama surpasses Bush with an over achieving incompetence. We have been systematically and ruthlessly betrayed by Obama and the Democrats. The Republicans? They are a joke. What we need is in short supply. Integrity, Honesty, Truth, Trust, and a consciousness that cares for the people and eschews greed, graft, double dealing and treachery.”
“Nice job of piling on and misrepresenting the facts. The blockade has been there 3 years. It is to prevent weapons from being smuggled into Gaza at a port Israel cannot monitor. There is already a port in place that humanitarian aid may enter. The flotilla was trying to break the blockade. The Israeli navy told them to pull over and turn back to where they came from or this port where humanitarian aid comes in all the time. Given that the flotilla was deliberately provoking the Israeli's they are lucky there wasn't more violence. When told to stand aside the flotilla responded...'f...you.
Stashes of clubs and knives meant they were ready to make this an international incident. All you have done is to show your racism. The worst racism comes from those who stand beside you flouting their Jewish ancestry and stab Israel time after time in the back. You have not a clue. Israel is numero uno in the terror war. When they come here and blow up your children's school you will say "oh well they are simply misguided, and misunderstood." It''s always the same piler on's, anti semites all of them especially those well meaning Jews who out of liberal fairness destroy the very thing that saves them. They want to return to Egypt as if that will save them. It (anti semitism) never goes away it just recedes until the next time. The world forgets Israel remembers
Thank G-d for Israel.”
rick390 on Jun 1, 2010 at 18:34:30
“Israel is not the end all and be all though they surely act like it. And, of course, anyone that would dare disagree with anything they do is tagged as an anti-semite. Israel is not perfect and in this case they are deeply flawed. Their justification for the blockade is watery thin. Their commandeering of boats on the high seas makes them no better than pirates and they should be reviled as such.”
“Intent. This is the word no one speaks of. If someone sets up to rip you off...criminal intent. We have to put them in prison. All of them, Paulson, the executives at Goldman Sachs and impose huge fines and get that money back to those who were ripped off. Stop pretending this is the gentlemen's criminal club where there are no consequences. Geitner too should serve time. Instead of serving man, how about serving time.
By the way AIG is the house like in Vegas where they betting one way or the other. No mercy for them. Their motives were never pure since they thought they had a racket going.
All that money that was lost was gained by someone. Get it back. Declare all of it ill gotten gains. Get it back, place it into a huge mortgage pool for homeowners who are in trouble - give it back to the investors.
The foxes are in charge of the henhound America but now we are all watching, better communication. Hopefully we will see justice and make this better.
The mentality that thinks it is okay to trick people out of their money one way or another is at the root of all of this. When you buy a product you have something. A financial instrument is just like holding chips in Vegas and just like Vegas the house is stacked against you. When your financial success means someone else's ruin there is no honor in that, none at all.”
“Just for the record...his words spoken 10-30-2005
"Our dear Imam said that the occupying regime must be wiped off the map and this was a very wise statement. We cannot compromise over the issue of Palestine. Is it possible to create a new front in the heart of an old front. This would be a defeat and whoever accepts the legitimacy of this regime [Israel] has in fact, signed the defeat of the Islamic world. Our dear Imam targeted the heart of the world oppressor in his struggle, meaning the occupying regime. I have no doubt that the new wave that has started in Palestine, and we witness it in the Islamic world too, will eliminate this disgraceful stain from the Islamic world."
So take it for what it is worth. If you are good at spinning perhaps he is talking about eliminating space bubbles from vacuum containers!”
“AIPAC doesn't have to send bodies to fight for Israel although when things get tough the tough get going. In both 67 and 73 wars thousands of American Jews left for Israel to join in the fight.
AIPAC can send money and lobby against the foolhardy propositions POTUS Obama proposes.
Those who are Jewish and say they won't fight are the same who stood by while WW II slaugtered its millions thinking oh no not me, I am too rich, too insultated, too assimilated...history repeats itself time and again. The wise take heed!”
Manchurian on Apr 19, 2010 at 17:25:51
“Perhaps those who are Jewish and say they wouldn't fight a war for Israel are simply loyal Americans who care more about their own country than a foreign country.”
“I agree with what you are saying except for 'Israel should not have nukes.' Israel has never said they have or don't have nukes but okay assume they do. Why is this important? Israel with nukes means that they have a trump card to play in world politics. Otherwise it would be easy for forces of chaos to overrun her. They only push so far on the world stage because what Israel is saying is that if her country is in danger then without saying she has nukes for a possible preemptive first strike. The circumstances would have to be extreme in order for this to happen.
Okay here are some extreme circumstances. You have the leader of Iran,'what's his name' vowing to annihilate the Jews. Well with nukes he could certainly give that a go. So before he does Israel must act and I might add with the full cooperation of the world by the way. Iran with nukes threatens the entire mideast, Russian and China, everyone in that sphere of influence.
Thankfully Israel holds that trump card and Iran is begging for them to use it so that their unrest can be rechanneled into jihad against Israel. In any event Iran is doomed and the people there know it which is why a major regime change will be on the front pages very soon!”
“Right now Israel holds the key the future of the world. If Iran goes nuclear terrorists will just as quickly go nuclear including bombing your city right there in the good old USA while all the Jew haters vent their spleen. Your city! Not some place far off. Now lookee here. In order to prevent Iran Israel might bomb them with limited results. Or nuke them and the rest of their Arab neighbors who have been relentless in their pursuit of Israel's destruction. Then the whole thing comes unraveled. Everybody starts nuking everybody all because of their hatred of the Jews.
Thankfully at just the right time Israel chooses to be strong. Iran is toppled by revolution as those who want to march madly to Israel are stopped by those who have had enough of war in Iran. Soon other arab nations begin intercine battles dismantling their oppressive leadership. And in a turn of the most incredible sorts these revolutionaries turn to Israel to set up a mandated middle east bloc of nations with Israel at the center of influence. The arab people want their freedom as much as any others. Countries have underestimated Israel in the past much to their regret and doom.
So for all those Jew haters, self hating Jews and the jump on the hate wagon mob Israel grows stronger and there isn't a thing you can do about it...”
Trevor Lloyd on Apr 19, 2010 at 19:59:44
“It is with real sadness I write this, but I can't see Iran being toppled by internal revolution anytime soon.”
MarcEdward on Apr 19, 2010 at 16:28:44
“"If Iran goes nuclear terrorists will just as quickly go nuclear"
How does this make any sense? Why would Iran give their hard fought for nukes to unreliable terrorists? Why invite their own destruction? Do you ever think about these things? You come across like a very ignorant and very bloodthirsty person. You make the Iranian mullahs look reasonable.”
“Regardless of what anyone says Israel remains strong. There are many who are afraid of Israel’s growing strength. The Arab nations see Israel as an ongoing threat. Politicians like Obama see the Middle East as a way to increase his political power. Archbishop however, does not see Israel. He does not understand what Israel means to the world. This is strange because his faith is directly linked to Israel through the Old Testament. Perhaps becoming a politician absolves you of religious perspective especially when you champion causes without understanding what the causes truly are. Each day therefore Israel now grows stronger despite every detractor whether they are archbishops, students, self hating Jews, Arabs, etc. Israel not only persists but thrives. This is only the beginning…the rest is history!”
Dan Same on Apr 17, 2010 at 22:49:30
“Self hating Jews. Why aren't I surprised that you would use such an ugly term. This may shock you, since you're an extremist and all, but you have NO right to judge other Jews! Who are you to call other Jews self hating? Are you some kind of Jewish Pope?!”
LifeAndLifeOnly on Apr 13, 2010 at 16:39:08
“Your comments are completely irrelevant to the current debate. Germany remained strong in the 1930s. That doesn't mean that they didn't commit unconscionable acts.”
Freenation on Apr 13, 2010 at 14:50:22
“Thank you I was missing this megaphone phrase self garubg Jew for a while, thought it was reinvented with something new guess no new catchy name was invented”
“So you would agree there is a war so bombing Israel is okay right. Okay then keeping the land as a strategic advantage should be okay. You see. That is how it works when you are at 'war.' Actually come to think of it if this war then Israel should simply go in and round up their government and deport then, make gaza a part of Israel and everyone gets to have peace. There see how simple it is...”
Tony Andrews on Apr 13, 2010 at 15:33:36
“Nobody has whispered the word "demographics" in your ear have they?
Israel really does not want to incorporate Gaza. It merely wants to control it totally from outside and oppress the inhabitants.”
“So you are Jewish and deplore their aggresive behavior? Do you deplore the state of Israel? Would you like Israel to go away be assimilated annihilated so that there is no Jewish state? These are not rhetorical questions. Israel is fighting to protect its sovereignty. So you suggest they box themselves in even more than they already are just to be nice so that there won't be anymore trouble. What you and those American Jews who join with your views don't understand is that the old model of the weak Jew is over. Jews don't have to play nice anymore especially when their survival is at stake. No more. Never again. Not on this watch. The idea of Israel is unfair to Every Arab. This has been so since statehood. Oh well. Suck it up. Israel is here to stay.
In Exodus there is a passage where Mosheh says everyone for G-d step over here.
That same choice remains...”
Anbreen on Apr 14, 2010 at 22:29:09
“American Jews are NOT weak Jews.
Get a grip! If you count Orthodox and Ultra, MOST Jews are not Zionists.
Ashkenazim of European descent leavethe country in greater numbers than emigrate EVERY year.
Will the last white guy to leave the country please turn out the lights?”
Anbreen on Apr 13, 2010 at 16:08:42
“Don't have to play nice in the US, either.
That may be why more live here than in Israel.
And, no amount of begging by Israeli consuls is changing that.
They keep begging the well-off Jewish communities on the Westside. No takers.
But, you know the old joke: A Zionist is someone who pays to send someone ELSe to Israel.”
“You speak of non violence and the lob missiles every day into Israel taking pot shots and sometimes missing killing your own people. Non violence sounds really respectible but in practice the palestinians are not performing very well on this front. The nobel prize winner is out of his league. After all they give those prizes out to anyone now a days. Look at Obama, conducting two wars supporting the most militarized nation on the planet. What do they give him? The nobel peace prize. Nothing is sacred except heaven especially Tutu. He should be ashamed.”
Anbreen on Apr 13, 2010 at 15:03:39
“As are the violent practices of the Israelis.
The major incitement to the indigenous people are two: 1) the land-grabs (particularly including aquifers), and the separate sets of laws: one for white people and one for Arabs.”
“Actually it should be 'tell that to the Indians,' American Indians. Quite possible the very ground we live under is not really ours at all. Point being land taken in war time becomes the spoils of war. Case closed right. Now Israel has been very good about helping these people. Anyone who is familiar with the scene there will tell you it is corruption that is sinking the palestinians. It is estimated that over a hundred million in aid is being sent and of that a mere fifteen to twenty million ever reaches the people in any form. So quit blaming Israel for what is already theirs. It shall remain so regardless of doublespeak politicians, misguided clergy and the sorely misinformed.”
Anbreen on Apr 13, 2010 at 22:51:38
“Israel can do what she wants, no argument with that.. IF she is not doing it with our tax money.
In 50 years, Israel has never been self-supporting. If she can stand up and say, "Stuff your $3B, we'll run things country as we see fit," so be it.
However, as long as she is on life-support form the US, we have an issue.
I have heard Israeli diplomats and consuls bitch and moan about the US. But, I have never heard one of them declare independence from our handouts.”
Tony Andrews on Apr 13, 2010 at 15:19:10
“The Geneva Conventions and numerous UN resolutions acknowledge the "inadmissability of gaining territory through war" whether that war is defensive or offensive.
I get tired of pointing it out, but, once again, a state does not (since immediately following WW2) get to acquire land through war.
It has to be acknowledged that there is corruption within the Palestinian camp, but do you have a reliable reference (not MFA source, The Jewissh Virtual Library etc.) that over 80 million has disappeared? I would be interested to read it.”
“This is it exactly, thank you for pointing this out. There is absolutely no moral equivalent between apartheid So Africa and Israel and the palestinians. The palestininians who live in Israel itself are happy to be there since their rights under a democratic Israel are far more respected than if g-d forbid the palestinians should achieve statehood. Muslim rule is oppressive going far beyond apartheid in it gross demeaning of women and archaic system of justice. Also So African wasn't surrounded by terrorist enemies seeking every chance to annihilate Israel. Tutu's words are bereft of truth, surprising but then again those who err on the side trying to be nice in the face of evil ending up supporting that evil.”
Anbreen on Apr 13, 2010 at 14:36:07
“It is exactly the same situation.
White people came, started bulldozing, and continue to bulldoze.
Under Balfour, they were allowed to live in Palestine (as it was called then) IF they respected the property rights of the native people.
They didn't and still don't.
Since the Nazis are responsible for the European diaspora, one would think that fleeing Jews would be entitled to a huge chunk of Austria or Germany.
The worst problems that the Jews ever had were with Germany ant the RC church. I don't see anyone demanding land in Germany or Italy, in compensation.
And, as long as the land-graba continue, there will never be peace.”
“Due to the recent meltdown anyone would be hard pressed to trust this financial system. The instruments of the past have proven faulty and corrupt. Hard savings-money market is all that is left. At least these are insured. Savings are always a good bet.
Quick story: A young merchant was approached by traveler who told him to store his diamonds for a year and he would be rewarded with a large payment. The merchant did as he asked and when he was paid his reward he asked this very wealthy traveler how he obtained his wealth.
"When I was your age my salary was meagre and yet every time I made a little money I paid my bills and I also paid myself by taking a little of my salary and making sure I took some for myself to put away. This way everytime I made money I acted to pay myself."
“Incitement! You want the south to rise again? Brother vs brother? A blood bath right here in America? Hmm. Who does that serve? Just what are you doing? What are the Republicans doing?
It sounds like Civil War is being proposed. We take these things seriously because if you are talking about it, promoting it and others in their own way are doing the same, then there is conspiracy here
Socialism means direct control and management of the industries and social services by the workers through a democratic government based on their nationwide economic organization.
The unions in this country are no longer the powerhouse they used to be. So wrong again Tony but you aren't about being right are you?
You will just say anything to incite won't you? Incitement? Are you ready to do time? If I am thinking this then so are others. Care to look behind you? Huge defeats for Republicans in November. 'Independents give massive victory to Democrats.'
That sleeping lion that is America is awakened with trepidation. Once awake Republicans might achieve twenty seats in November if lucky. Amazing how defeated the defeated can get. Are you for America or for yourself and your cronies. Watch the ads that eviscerate the Republican candidates. Foolish to poke so early. But you always do telegraph your moves. Obama and company already ten steps ahead.
Nice to hear from you like an old broken record that just keeps repeating that old tired groove...”
“Alert! Alert! GOP cashes in their all day sucker for a a few hours of just 'sucking.' It looks like the South is trying to rise again by falling farther than ever behind the times, the people and human decency. Their moral compass is smack dab in the middle of one of those bermuda type triangles whose sides are made up of tea partyers, mega business greed crazed corporate types and racist not so subtle talk hosts. Just wait and see them start to gobble up each other. November elections will literally decimate their ranks. It is as some have said the tsunami of tsunami's. And to think they were touting (some still) Democratic demise. What a turn of events. What a time to be American and watch the selfish actions of carictured politicians. Alert! Alert! Republicans shoot themselves in the foot again and again; after a while those fractured feet simply cannot stand no more...and so it goes.”
cavegal on Mar 24, 2010 at 17:37:03
“Excuse me but Republican Senators come from the North as well. We are making big strides here in Texas when Houston can elect an openly lesbian mayor. In addition thanks to the Tea Party, the Texas Governor's race is now too close to call, so thankfully we may be able to at last unseat Perry. No thanks to so called "liberals" like you who continually bash our southern states with idiotic comments that send Independent voters, like myself, to listen to moderate Republicans or Libertarians, despite being a champion of progressive causes.”
“Israel owns the land, every part including Jerusalem. Pre 1967 borders. Hmm now what happened to make those borders? Oh yes the war where Israel faced complete destruction and somehow miraculously some might say defeated all her enemies and then what did they do? They took land? It was already theirs. Now to suggest making it easier for the same thing to happen again by giving the land back? No. Not happening. Fool me once my bad, fool me again - not even close to happening. Israel will continue expanding, that is right expanding. Watch with wonder for it has begun...”
reddflagg on Mar 18, 2010 at 18:32:16
“On 24 February 2004, the U.S. State Department declared: "Israel occupied the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights after the 1967 War.... The international community does not recognize Israel's sovereignty over any part of the occupied territories."
UNSC Resolution 446 (22 March 1979) affirms that "the policy and practices of Israel in establishing settlements in the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967 have no legal validity..."
UNSC Resolution 465 (1 March 1980) "...all measures taken by Israel to change the physical character, demographic composition, institutional structure or status of the Palestinian and other Arab territories occupied since 1967, including Jerusalem, or any part thereof, have no legal validity..."
In 2004, the International Court of Justice ruled that “no territorial acquisition resulting from the threat or use of force shall be recognized as legal.” The Court denoted this principle a “corollary” of the U.N. Charter and as such “customary international law” and a “customary rule” binding on all member States of the United Nations.
As a UNSC member, the US agrees to abide by the UN Charter, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and the Fourth Geneva Convention. Hence, under international law, the US must view all lands that Israel occupied during the war it launched on 5 June 1967 as illegally and belligerently occupied.”
Janetshusb on Mar 18, 2010 at 18:13:43
“That is specious reasoning if I ever heard it. Is that what the Zionists use to justify what they are doing today??????”
“Actually those who you call in error Palestinians originally were kicked out of Jordan by their Arab brothers. So rude don't you think. Say I wonder where they got the idea of blowing themselves up? Israeli's? No from those same brothers. You know some families just have too many issues.”
“America will instead help Israel to occupy the entire Mideast after the failed governments find their people rising against them because of their corruption. America will always help Israel. By the way Israel always wins. Strange that so many haven't figured that out yet. Most people in Israel 91 percent want to pursue settlements and really do not want a two state solution. Don't blame them do you. How about if we give Texas to Mexico and call it a two state solution?
The discovery of an alternative fuel that eliminates oil will take away the money from terrorists and then nothing...back to the deserts, camels, etc. We are less than a year and a half away from that now.
There will never be US troops occupying any part of Israel. That is basic and really would be a waste of our time. The terrorists surround Israel. Time to clean house round up the terrorists and ship them to an island somewhere where they can practice blowing themselves up until they are gone.”
“How far back do you go with theft of land. Two thousand years maybe... No theft of land especially when as a result of a war or two this land may no longer be responsibly held by none other than Israel. That's right you go to war and lose and then them's the break's. The security of the region is much better off with Israel in charge everywhere.
No two state solution and Israel WILL BE asserting full control over Jerusalem. It gave east Jerusalem back after one of these wars. Imagine that? Things are different now and you had better come to terms with an Israel that is not backing down anymore. This is their land. Those you say owned the land certainly don't live in Israel since you can't own land in Israel. Those you defend want the annihilation of Israel starting small with teenage boys and girls blowing themselves up in the name of...I really don't know...it is off the chart nuts. Israel and America are closer than ever.
Israel will be sovereign over the entire middle east. Arab states will riot and mass revolutions there will topple every sheik oil soaked government and then with the help of the USA all Arab lands will come under Israeli rule.
The people themselves will clamor because of the corruption of their governments. So make up all the nonsense you want about Israel being this or that but in the end it is Israel who always wins.”
HansB on Mar 18, 2010 at 17:32:54
“"make up all the nonsense you want". Haha. Off the chart nuts, indeed.”
Janetshusb on Mar 18, 2010 at 16:47:03
“I believe the Germans had the same attitude some time ago. It didn't work out well for them.”