“California can't "make sure food is safe". Only the USDA are allowed to inspect the food. California's law isn't even about making sure its safe, they are simply making free range raised chickens the bottom ar for what is being sold*which is laughable in itself"”
“I'm not an Iowan. My point being that, if California can decide on a whim Iowa goods are not good enough, whats to stop my state from saying saying California goods are not good enough? Enough of this, its pretty laughable that Libs are all in favor of State's right's when its convenient for them, I hope the Feds bury Cali for their decision.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 9, 2013 at 21:29:00
“First off, it is the republicans that scream states rights in there constant attempt to shrink the federal government size down to the size and influence of Iowa.. Secondly, it appears you can not answer or respond to the points but forth. Third...Your state is effectively meaningless in the small and large picture. May I suggest you move or simply produce a better product. Brooklyn has more influence then you.”
“I appreciate the plight of the small farmer, rancher and producers of other foods. It seems to me that our government should be concentrating its resources on enabling small businesses to prosper and thus create good paying community jobs. This would keep the money locally circulated and not shipped off to the deep pockets elsewhere.---- Thank you by the way.”
“But then California's standards are being imposed on other states to sell there. If Cali wants to put up this trade barrier, then Iowa should respond in kind with its own barrier.Again Federal law is in place to prevent unhealthy foods being sold, California doesn't have the right to raise the bar on their own. ................. This feels weird I am usually arguing for State's rights.....”
Free2BeMe on Dec 9, 2013 at 13:30:05
“"Federal Law is in place to prevent unhealthy foods from being sold."
I still believe in Santa because he gives me a gift at Christmas, but have given up on the other fairy tales. For instance, republicans and libertarians want to assure us that our basic needs are safe even though they argue that the market will decide who buys what and that rules, regulations and inspectors infringe on corporations' rights to conduct business.
Can you blame CA citizens for wanting to make sure their food is safe. Obviously corporations feel their priority is to make money for their shareholders and the cost to our air, water. soil, and people are secondary. CA has the moral right to decide what is best for themselves and their families. The 10th Amendment guarantees it.
Lincoln said it best: "These capitalists generally act harmoniously, and in concert, to fleece the people."”
“I doubt there is much legal precedent because I have never heard of trade wars between states, which this state law implies can and will happen.”
peacekitten on Dec 9, 2013 at 01:20:12
“pontificating on something about which you obviously know nothing is not flattering, or constructive. the legal precedent exists, one case in particular is humbold portland cement v. the city of detroit. just because *you* haven't heard of it, doesn't mean everyone is as uninformed. do some homework.
the people who wrote this law are smarter than you and me. they anticipated attempts to overturn it rather skillfully, which you would discover if you do some research. and despite steve king's best efforts, there's not going to be any trade wars. california will win its defense of states' rights, this issue will be settled, egg producers who decide they want to sell in this marketplace will end up making more money than they ever have, and everyone will be happy, especially the long-suffering and abused animals who will finally get the smallest of mercies shown to them.”
“Ok... Then Iowa should respond in kind and ban something from your state. Something with a greater export value than their eggs to punish you. Say your happy cheese, or something like that. If history tells us anything then California will retaliate as well with another barrier. You are opening a can of worms here you don't want. What if other states followed suit with California? States across the union in trade wars? Not good for the economy.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 8, 2013 at 19:55:41
“38.04 million (2012)California, Population
3.074 million (2012)Iowa, Population
They could be nuked and the world would not notice.
“I want my food uncontaminated. If you want to eat poison and cr... thats your business. Get a job at Monsanto and have children with three arms and legs. Protection of the food supply has to start somewhere. Go kill your own children and leave mine alone.”
“But that has nothing to do with this. Iowa 's congressman is simply trying to stop Cali from putting up a trade barrier against Iowa eggs. States cannot inspect their own food, so if you want that to change write Washington.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 8, 2013 at 19:25:05
“California and other states need a trade barrier if we want to protect our food supply and protect against animal abuse. Anyone can sell in California if they follow their rules.”
“From my previous statement- Its also true that California has no right throwing extra laws on top of federal regulations preventing sale of agricultural products across borders. Doing something like that would start up trade wars in a heart beat.”
peacekitten on Dec 8, 2013 at 21:53:55
“you are completely in error on this one, and there is legal precedent to support california's right to impose these laws.
the authors of this law have anticipated arguments such as yours. i would suggest you research it more. you will find that we will win this one pretty handily, like it or not. we have the right to protect our own citizens. period.
“Since when can the USDA not do its job? If you are talking about a quality problem then it is still a Fed problem with the USDA. States do not inspect any of their own meat or poultry that is ready for distribution.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 8, 2013 at 17:39:49
“The feds clearly do not have enough inspectors to insure food safety. Even worse more and more authority has been given and is being pursued for industry self inspection. How could you possibly think adequate controls are being implemented. It is common knowledge the agency is under funded and way under staffed.”
“Cars can be modified to meet standards, eggs cannot. Additionally while car companies are international(meaning no one state is hurt terribly by the loss of partial sales in one state) Eggs are not the same. Iowa is being drastically harmed.”
Free2BeMe on Dec 8, 2013 at 21:11:16
“All Iowa has to do is to conform their egg production to the standards of the state they wish to sell in. If Californians are forced to buy eggs that do not meet their standards they may be seriously harmed by the hormones, weed and insect killers, and
unsanitary conditions poultry may be subjected to.
I appreciate the plight of the small farmer, rancher and producers of other foods. It seems to me that our government should be concentrating its resources on enabling small businesses to prosper and thus create good paying community jobs. This would keep the money locally circulated and not shipped off to the deep pockets elsewhere.”
“The law later expanded to require all eggs sold in California be produced under Prop 2’s standards. The statute was put into effect to keep out-of-state egg producers from taking advantage of Californians’ high standards and outpricing in-state farmers.-------From the article----- You were saying?”
peacekitten on Dec 8, 2013 at 08:29:09
“i'm well aware of that fact, as i live here. who's forcing out of state farmers to do business here? nobody. it's strictly voluntary for them. this is not the only place they can sell their product. you were saying?”
“??? inspections have nothing to do with this. The USDA are the feds, they inspect the food either way. This issue has to do with Cali state laws on how Chickens are raised. The law they passed makes it impossible for Iowa to sell eggs to Cali because they have different standards. King was right to pitch a fit.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 8, 2013 at 11:13:31
“Lack of inspections has everything to do with this. If the USDA can't do it's job, nor the congress then states have too. It is their right.. California was correct”
“In effect banning their own eggs is also banning the eggs of Iowa. It is a trade barrier between states. If eggs are as big a part of Iowan agriculture as is being let on, it will result in retaliatory tariffs by Iowa. No such thing has gone on in the states before, hence the reason the Iowa congressman acted as he did. This is going to cost Iowa money imminently, and retaliatory tariffs will cost Cali in the long run. Bad, Bad.”
“While I completely agree states should self regulate. Its hard not feeling sympathy for the farmers in very liberal states like California where they want to control everything they do farm wise. Its also true that California has no right throwing extra laws on top of federal regulations preventing sale of agricultural products across borders. Doing something like that would start up trade wars in a heart beat.”
peacekitten on Dec 7, 2013 at 23:30:39
“wrong. california's right to impose tougher air cleanliness standards was recently upheld in a federal circuit court. the state has been granted a waiver by the federal government to impose its tougher standards. no new car can be sold in this state without complying with its tougher emissions standards. this situation will be no different. no one is being forced to comply with this law, except california farmers.”
ur2nutty4me on Dec 7, 2013 at 20:51:01
“Are you anywhere near familiar with how many mass recalls of food there are and should have been and how many get sick and even die. We have enough inspectors to do squat nor with any power. Lets see what you would say when your child is unconscious and on IV's.”