“Man, what a crying shame we can't make the entire Congress chronically unemployed, and allow Wall Street to loot their savings and investments; so they can experience the lavish lifestyle afforded by unemployment benefits.... or, even better and more to the point - NO unemployment benefits ...”
“Bargain? only when compared to uncontrolled criminal ripoff insurance rates that balloon every year. Compared to single payer, Obamacare is a huge gift to the insurance and pharm industries and a cold cynical ripoff to American citizens, just not quite as outstandingly criminal.”
luvsox on Dec 3, 2013 at 09:32:02
“Ridiculous. Single payer would be better, but the ACA isn't a ripoff by any means.You par for insurance and you get care. Nor is it a gift to insurance companies and Pharma. All stakeholders made concessions, just like is done in any deal.”
Koiquoe on Dec 3, 2013 at 09:26:30
“You single-payer devotees need to recognize that half a loaf is better than none at all. Through what Congress were you going to pass your single-payer. Do you have a magic wand that will just wave single-payer into existence?”
That's not rhetoric; we know that Obama won't do it, and will foot-drag if not actively oppose if Democrats propose it: but why aren't Democrats even trying to do it? I mean actual Democrats, not DLC neocons ....”
“I've got a better question: why didn't Obama bring his A team when he appointed Sibelius?”
jwl56 on Oct 23, 2013 at 09:24:53
“That's not the question. Sibelius is fine, the people working under her dropped the ball. When dealing with technology, very few of the people at the top are savvy enough to know whether or not they're in good hands; it's like retaining a doctor or lawyer, you don't know you're in trouble until you're in trouble.
Sibelius depended on those working with and directing the I.T. people. No one likes a micromanager, which usually works against the project. This is about the ACA, and what it can do for the people who have waited so long.”
“I think that's what Paulo just said ... anyway, agreed, it's depressing to see Burke as the only alternative to Walker. But not nearly as depressing as it is to see "progressives" all quivering for Hillary in 2016. Can't we just have a good laugh, and look for a progressive? Or at least a moderate? Or at least someone who isn't a ridiculous neocon DLC tool?
I'm looking for a Say No To Hillary tee-shirt with a circle and slash ...”
“It's fair and appropriate to expect that the Obama administration would be aware that CGI was fired BY CANADA for incompetence in 2012, and maybe, e.g., keep an eye on how ACA was doing. Maybe, oh, I don't know, insist on some testing before the rollout? Since the Obama administration had a year in which to deal with the fact that healthcare IT is clearly not CGI's best thing?
Instead of lying their butts off and assuring the country that everything was READY? and then ooopsie, they're the Keystone Cops?”
That they did, and it apparently stank. Note that Canada fired CGI from the healthcare project in September 2012. Are we supposed to believe that the Obama administration was unaware of that?”
imtruthmonger on Oct 21, 2013 at 18:51:23
“Seems the Obama administration could not have known about CGI being fired because it happened AFTER they had already been given the contract. CGI's was officially terminated in September, 2012. The USA let the contract to them in 2011.
I think it is fair and appropriate to believe that the O admin were wholly unaware of what would happen a full year into the future. But if you are comfortable expecting Dems to be mind-readers, I can't stop you.”
“You nailed it, that's the objective.You have to feel for Harry Reid: the Tea party, the more marginally sane Republicans, the DLC Democrats, and the White House all aligned against him, all clamoring for cuts to Social Security and Medicare.”
“So that's a win-win for Obama. He gets the cuts he's wanted all along, AND the house stays Republican. Maybe he can lose the Senate too, then he'll be a real action hero to the neocon thieves and murderers who own him.”
“Well, since Obama has been semaphoring that Social Security and Medicare are on the table since he got elected, I'd say that's a good bet. It's part of his most-effective-Republican-president legacy.”
okaywhatever on Oct 20, 2013 at 19:45:16
“And the results in his five years? An increase on medicare tax for the wealthy. The three percent is what helps make/made Medicare solvent. As to social security, like you said. He's been arguing it for five years and hasn't given in yet. This may be a political chess move. Give it time.”
“Great idea. If you've got a very, very good job. Otherwise, the emergency room, right? Math is not your best thing, I'm guessing.
IF .... Medicare is running in the red, it's because the cost of the corporate-controlled medical industry is astronomical in this country. Raising the cap would be a start, but what really needs to happen is to end the corporate monopoly on "healthcare" in this country.”
chanahan on Oct 18, 2013 at 15:19:53
“Well even according to advocates of government takeover of the health care industry, 85% of Americans have health care and are generally happy with the SERVICE they get (if not the rising costs) and 45MM don't have insurance. If you subtract the 15-20MM illegal immigrants, the young people who don't want to pay for insurance they don't use and people in between jobs, that leaves a smaller number of people in need of insurance.
Medicare is running into the red because the government model does not work. Even in countries held up as beacons of government control, they are endlessly dealing with cutting services and/or raising taxes to cover costs. That means someone else is determining what is important to you, rather than you deciding.”
“The contractor was completely and totally incapable: that much is crystal clear. So the Obama administration, I agree, proved incapable of making a sane choice of a contractor, and apparently, stupidly, allowed the contractor to blow up the project, make a ton of money, and launch a website without, apparently, testing it. But CGI is an enviably connected NSA contractor, and since this is the Obama administration, naturally that trumped their qualification to program a healthcare IT website.
Whoever set up Medicare knew what they were doing. It works. It's what we should have done, if Obama were not so completely in the pocket of the corporations that own him.
This embarrassment is a shining example, as if we needed another one, of why privatization of government function is a great deal for the corporate interests, but a disaster for the people of this country.”
chanahan on Oct 18, 2013 at 13:50:10
“If the contractor was completely and totally incapable what does that say about the people who hired them? At the very least incompetent and at worst corrupt by giving a contractor with connections a low ball bid that blew up.
This is a shining example of why the government should not be in health care. They cannot administer a program like this. Medicare is not run well. There are constant problems from people ripping it off to doctors not taking any more medicare patients because of the low reimbursement rates from the government. Its running in the red.
Let people buy their own insurance, just like car or life insurance. They will buy the coverage they want.”
“This is another example of why the government SHOULD be in the healthcare business. This website was turned over to a private contractor.
Medicare works. I hope this abomination collapses of its own privatized weight.
Obamacare is a gift to the medical industry, and the cost of it will be borne by the usual victims - us. It's time for Medicare for all. We're not the laughingstock of the civilized world only for the shutdown - we've been one for years because of the criminal enterprise known as our privatized "healthcare" industry.”
chanahan on Oct 18, 2013 at 10:13:17
“The website was developed by the government managing a private contractor. It was led and designed by the government. That is, the government laid out the requirements and managed the contract and proved to be completely and totally incapable. ”