“No, we prevented it from being stolen by recounts targeted to only benefit Gore. I don't expect you to remember, but Bush's team INSISTED on a state-wide recount. Gore wanted a recount ONLY on areas that would benefit him. Luckily, sanity ruled out and the Supreme court ruled correctly. Gore didn't push for a full statewide recount, because he knew he would lose. Several Florida newspapers did their own recounts, and guess what - BUSH WON.”
“The FAIRNESS DOCTRINE would hurt liberals. Because, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, MSNBC are all liberal. 89% of the press corps claims to vote for democrats. Heck, Obama has been on the cover of Time 7 times. I guess "Fairness" to liberals is to make all conservatives shut up.”
“The candidate CLOSEST to the middle ALWAYS wins.”
michiganfan on Sep 8, 2008 at 14:23:45
“Really?!? So that's why we got Nixon, Reagan, Bush, and Bush, because they were closer to the middle?!?!? Unless you actually believe that Fixed News is "Fair and Balanced," I don't see how you could possibly place these right-wing extremists closer to the middle than their democratic opponents.
"The candidate who best exploits the fear and ignorance of the masses is the one who almost always wins" would be a far more accurate mantra.”
shaunmarie on Sep 8, 2008 at 14:12:19
“You are out of your mind.
First of all, you presume there is a "left" in the US. There is not. We have the right, the hard right, and the center.
On issues, Americans all agree with the center - better access to health care, keeping the govt out of people's beds, moderate and fair taxation, infrastructure infrastructure, infrastructure. These ideas are MAINSTREAM.
And then the wingnuts get on TV, proclaim the center position to be "socialist" - and the center caves.
If we had a left, a REAL left, we might have some balance to right wing child-eating fundies. But we don't have one. So - the center becomes the left, the right wing is percieved as in the center, and somehow, everyone pretends the far right is full of reasonable, well meaning "Christains".”
bygollymissmolly on Sep 8, 2008 at 14:06:40
“That's BS and you know it. Mc'Cain and P'alin are so far to the right of the middle they are ready to fall off.
The candidate with the most corporate media support ALWAYS wins.”
1qa on Sep 8, 2008 at 14:01:38
“The candidate PERCEIVED to be closest to the middle always wins....
Obama & Biden need to be strident in Flat out calling McCain / Palin.. LIARS ...
This situation is ridiculous...
if this election is lost on Republican LIES... shame on us the electorate for not calling this out.. shame on the Media for abandoning their jobs as "honest" brokers.”
SurferKit on Sep 8, 2008 at 13:57:02
“That tired old left thing is old, take it to faux news.”
“The reason Obama will lose is because he is too far left for America. Most of the people reading this blog, are liberal like Obama and cannot look at him objectively, because they identify with him. The average voter is more in the middle. Mccain is the middle. Palin is not in the middle, but it won't matter because she isn't at the top of her ticket.”
SurferKit on Sep 8, 2008 at 14:10:03
“Are you whacked on crack? McCain is as far right as he can go. I don't identify with your ticket. I am a 25 yo woman and your neocon ticket would force me, in the instance of rape, to carry a child to term regardless of circumstance. And that is totally…unacceptable. Your party talks an ineffective game about smaller government (which is blatantly false) and yet if you have your way you would govern and control a woman’s body. Your beliefs are your own. But you have no respect for mine. Since Wed night when your veep candidate made her beliefs known to America I realize I can no longer remain idle now that the GOP has been hijacked by the evangelicals of the world, I can assure you my laziness has ended.
Obviously, we disagree. You call yourself pro-life, but conveniently disappear after the child is born, just when life is truly beginning and help is needed most. And your party continually refuses to fund any social programs that might help both mother and child through a difficult time.
Your party stance is ludicrous. And jsut so you know I'm about as girly as one can get, and elitist is when you wear a $300,000 outfit to the tent revival and don't include everyone.
Now go peddle your negative stuff somewhere else. I haven't had coffee yet. (I know it's late on Mon. morning but i only signed up last night, stayed up late.)”
“I feel for you man, I really do. I am 45 and had to retool my career a couple of times. I am not trying to be callous but the reality is that the world is becoming smaller from a workforce standpoint. The economy is global and the workforce is global. The most important thing you can teach your daughter (i have two) is to never stop learning. And also set their expectation that they will probably have to make career changes a couple of times. I am in the process of taking some additional graduate courses in the spring to try to advance myself. I wish you well.”
ATLiberal on Sep 5, 2008 at 21:20:44
“It wasn't my story, but thanks anyway. I am quite fortunate so far. But I do have empathy for others I know who are having to bankrupt, etc.
The point still stands, that you didn't address, other than to say, me too, life is tough.
It isn't "not too difficult". It's incredibly difficult. Especially when you have a family, or a sick loved one. I do have that, which terrifies me if we were to lose one of our jobs, and insurance that covers her. I guess if we all agree with you, we simply throw up our hands and say, "Gee, too bad. I'll bankrupt, you will have to forgo your treatment. I'll start all over and maybe when I'm 49 or 50, I'll be back where I left off, with my retirement savings gone, but rarin' to go. Hopefully, honey, you won't die in the meantime." What a happy future. The American way, huh? Yikes.”
“It sounds like you oppose a free market. I don't like for people to make low wages. But, if the market doesn't decide on pay, who does? If you artificially inflate everyone's wages, then you will cause inflation and everyone will be back to where they started. Always keep learning, keep your skills marketable. Don't let your skill set become obsolete. The government can't do that for you, but you can do it for yourself. You can do it, i know you can!!!”
“Yeah, all they do is deliver quality with unbelievable efficiency. All of their employees get paid market wages. Most people are jealous of Walmart because they are so good at what they do. They really are. They have revolutionized the distribution business. And they really do pass savings on to consumers. They provide great value. And they benefit every neighborhood that they move into.”
GuyRC on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:12:30
“Unfortunately our health care can not be manufactured by slave labor in 3rd world countries.”
“No, we pay people what the "job" deserves. Some jobs are only worth $7 an hour. If you don't want to make $7 an hour, get the skills you need to advance. It's not that difficult in this country. Anyone of any color can do it. Walmart employees make what other retail employees make. You know why? Because ANYONE can do it. If you want higher wages, invest in yourself. Develop skills that are valuable. Employers will PAY for in-demand skills. You can't artificially inflate the value of menial jobs.”
wdw101 on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:12:26
“very good well stated”
rshrink on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:09:56
“Sounds like berry is a spokesperson for Walmart doesn't it? Trouble is the jobs lost because of Walmart sending manufacturing to China, now replaced with their 6-7 an hour job is dropping many people to a much lower income, right into poverty. And like I said, then these people need medical cards, food stamps and money from the government and other sources to survive. That is subsidizing Walmart and skewing the market. You are basing the market on the taxpayers picking up the costs that Walmart isn't paying and meantime the Waltons grow extremely wealthy. Sounds like a good plan if you are a Walton.”
ATLiberal on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:02:58
“Another "anybody can do it" / "it's not that difficult" person. Such knee jerk crap. There are a lot of reasons that people end up on the scrap heap. And yes, even people who have skills that were quite valuable at one time, but are now outsourced.
Just to stick to the single point you threw out, if I am somebody who was a skilled laborer in an auto plant, or a technical support person with certifications in a particular field and am, say, 45 yrs old and successful, when my job gets outsourced to India, for cheaper, LESS skilled labor (have you needed any tech support lately? If so, you know what I mean) strictly for a profit motive, then I am now 45 and in need of retraining before I can earn the same amount as before.
While that is going on, how do I pay for my mortgage, cars, sick wife or child, college tuition for my daughter, car payments, utilities, food, etc, etc, etc,etc?? You realize this is what is happening all across the country, right? Not too difficult my azz.”
“If the government passes universal healthcare, they ought to HAND IT OVER TO WALMART for administration. Walmart would kick butt on delivering it in the most ecomonical, smartest and efficient way.”
surfcitysteven on Sep 5, 2008 at 19:59:29
“No, they would take out life insurance policies on all the old applicants.”
mjtaylor22 on Sep 5, 2008 at 19:11:12
“Walmart does not pay its employees enough so that they can participae in their employer sponsored haelth insurance plan. They actually encourage them to use free public services to supplement their short fall in wages. yes unfortunately that .99 cent 2 liter soda just cost you thousands of dollars in healthcare services
it and we are all inter connected
But i guess you didn't see that investigative report
it's cool though”
depot on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:57:34
“Like wal-mart does with its employees? They teach them how to apply for welfare.”
ATLiberal on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:50:02
“Right, Walmart. They have done such a great job of destroying other businesses in their takeover of small town America, even as they hire most of their staff as part time workers with no health insurance.
Yeah, those guys are so great.”
rshrink on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:34:13
“Yah, turn it over to the greediest people on earth right now and the ones who play the biggest role in our import/export deficit problems. Yah, that sounds like a good idea. I think I will stick with my own doctor.”
“Unions are causing outsourcing. By design, they reward seniority over productivity. They also reward laggards as well as they do top performers. The stronger unions get, the more likely outsourcing becomes. This is a global economy. Unions make our whole country uncompetitive. They destroyed the steel industry, automotive industry, airlines. And if card check legislation gets passed under an Obama administration, you can count on it hurting everyone, except the unions of course.”
astheworldturns on Sep 5, 2008 at 19:49:37
“Do you like the 40 hour week? Unions got that for you even if you don't belong to a union because everyone benefits from their gains.”
tdbach on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:02:13
“You're right. Unions created the vast middle class of this country, goddamn them! We can't afford a middle class anymore - at least not one that comprised of anything except managers. I say, let's take this to where the market really wants us to go, right away, no more pussyfooting around. Let's have an aristocratic class of owners, a nice layer of management class (say, 20% of the population), and the rest of us can enjoy fruits of working in the great American Calcutta! Good thinking kvberry!”
wdw101 on Sep 5, 2008 at 18:00:54
“i had an EMP close to 4 years ago under the union I fired sleeping at work......by sleeping he cause damage to a proprietary machine it cost just over 2000 and 3 weeks to get repaired.......this was the third major problem i had with this EMP......I did make a mistake of not firing him before probation was up......but the union made me give his job back or strike......it took another 8 months to get rid of him.....
now.......about 3 years ago on thanksgiving weekend i got rid of the union......best decision i made that year i think”
rshrink on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:36:01
“Another great analysis. If we pay people less money than it takes to live, then we can compete. Great idea. Then the taxpayers can support the companies by paying out welfare to the people whose wages are too low. Oh yah, I think that is what is happening with Walmart employees now.”
“His mission was to teach people the Gospel - His Gospel. Yes, his life was about all of those Godly things you mention, loving your neighbors, helping the poor - all of that. But his "mission" was to be a "Sin Sacrifice" for anyone willing to accept him as their personal lord and savior. It wasn't some "end" thing that he decided to do. This "Sin Sacrifice" started with the virgin birth.”
“Good. I am glad you have clarified it. However, I think that Obama probably wishes that he never let us know that this is how he thinks about us. With the help of the media, he has been able to cleverly conceal his liberal, elitist ideology. With this statement, he let his true feelings accidentally come out. Actually, they came out at a San Fransisco fund raiser, so he probably never expected us to hear about it. Two-faced.”
Agent420 on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:01:58
“Don't you two break your arms patting yourself on the back like that.”
“You are correct, lying is a sin, but homosexuality still is a sin. No, Jesus wouldn't stone a gay person, just like he stopped the stoning of the woman at the well. But he would tell that gay person to "go and sin no more". He wouldn't change His standard because His standard never changes. He didn't turn to the prostitute and say "keep doing what you're doing, because it's no longer a sin". He said " go and sin no more.”
sherrybb on Sep 5, 2008 at 20:51:24
“Jesus never once discussed being gay...not 1 time. If it was such a huge deal, you would think He might have mentioned it. It is discussed once (I think) in the New Testament. Lots of other things discussed multiple times...lying, hypocrisy, judging, loving, even marriage and divorce...but gays...must have slipped his mind.”
“Is there anyone that can tell me why Obama described us in "fly-over" country as "bitterly clinging to our guns and religion?" How can we not be offended? What is it that we have misunderstood about this statement? Are we taking it out of context, because I really want to know.”
“You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing’s replaced them. And it’s not surprising, then, they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren’t like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.”
For some clarification:
“I didn’t say it as well as I could have,” he (Obama) said. “Obviously, if I worded things in a way that made people offended, I deeply regret that.
“The underlying truth of what I said remains, which is simply that people who have seen their way of life upended because of economic distress are frustrated and rightfully so.””
Boomerwoman on Sep 5, 2008 at 14:11:09
“I've lived in small towns and large cities all over the west coast. You can be who you are in a large town, because there are many different groups to socialize with. In small towns , it's like the worst aspects of middle-school: desperation for acceptance, afraid to speak what you really feel because the popular kids will reject you...so silence is the rule. Go along to get along. It's shallow and cynical and ignorant. At least we can still vote in private.”
coastalcarla on Sep 5, 2008 at 13:47:50
“What do you have to be offended about? It's what a lot of small town, mid west people are like and you know it. Stop already with the self righeous indignation. It's not very convincing.”
“Not lies. You just happen to "believe" the version told by the Kerry supporters. I happen to agree the version told by the people that served with him.”
Tinsdale on Sep 5, 2008 at 20:03:47
“For the record, those people did not serve with him. You can repeat a lie as often as you would like but it is still a lie.”
PennsyLiberal on Sep 5, 2008 at 14:39:31
“Do you believe your own party's description of McCain in 2004, that having been a POW for so long, he was mentally unstable for the job of Prez? Can't have it both ways. GOP into ridiculing and minimizing everything that doesn't involve rich white people. Oh I forgot, there were 36 non-whites @ their convention”
“You are obviously not a bible scholar. Jesus' sole mission was to sacrifice his life for EVERYONE's sins. Jesus was not political, and had no political agenda. His agenda was about eternal life, not life on earth.”
Agent420 on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:21:37
“I have to agree with drzoom even though I don't believe in the fairy tales and myths in that book. Jesus' sole mission was to convince others to believe in him and an imaginary friend. You have no proof that anything in that book is related to any facts. the onus is on you to prove that the book is true and for a reason that you will not understand. You are claiming that there is an imaginary friend. That is a positive, my position is a negative and you cannot prove a negative so have at it. Good luck.”
Mort on Sep 5, 2008 at 17:07:15
“If that were true, why would he have spent 3 years teaching, organizing a religion, healing, mocking the ruling class, performing miracles, showing us how to live, how to love each other, how to forgive and be tolerant? And why would he need to be resurrected? Why would he need to return again?
Jesus can't be summed up in one sentence. His death was one part of his mission. His agenda was to teach us who we are, how to make the most of our lives and provide a way for us to return to God. There are so many facets to him it's difficult to name them all.
I'm no Bible scholar, but even a cursory reading reveals more to Jesus than his death.”
rosiebond007 on Sep 5, 2008 at 14:01:45
“Jesus mission was to teach.
Love they neighbor, do no harm, help the poor, overturn the money changers and he was against selfishness, ego and greed.
The eternal life teaching was at the END of his life not throughout his life.
You need to do a little re-reading.”
“She also increase the Republicans donations dramatically - you go Palin, we're cheering for you. She's fresh, dynamic, decisive and has CEO experience.”
bartonfink on Sep 5, 2008 at 13:15:39
“CEO experience? you better take a better look at her record, kv, or a first look. you're trying make a silk purse out a moose's ear. let me ask you this: would you vote for her, with this CEO ecksperience, as the ticket no.1? for president? given the rich field of highly accomplished GOP women, does she rate above them all?
and no fibbing just to feel like you've won this exchange”