“Well man IS president and is ultimately responsible for the actions of federal law enforcement that doesn't bother charging people who lie on background check forms. One president had a philosophy known as "The Buck Stops Here." Some of the people commenting may mistakenly feel that this president feels the same, but I think it's pretty evident that he does not.”
“Columbine was during Feinstein's last pointless AWB. Dylan and Klebold used 10 round magazines, firearms that still wouldn't be banned and jury rigged propane tank bombs. If anything Columbine was a tipping point showing that these sorts of laws do virtually nothing. It isn't the tools we need to watch for, but instead the behavior of people capable of these atrocities.”
“Absolutely. If I wanted to purchase an assault weapon, I would have to fill out the paperwork with ATF, pay the federal excise tax, get written permission from the local chief of police, find one for sale that was constructed prior to 1986, send my finger prints / photograph to the ATF and undergo a background check.”
“Having used a taser many times, I can say that when they work they work well. You only get one shot and quite few things have happen right, but they can be effective. Once the five second ride of electricity is over though, the person is fully capable of continuing what they were doing before.
As for protecting our schools, I'm not really sure that we can protect them from someone who intends to commit a massacre. They hold all the cards. They decide what they are going to do, how they are going to do it, when they are going to do it and have the advantage of being able to survey their intended target so that they can overcome any security that may be in place. Luckily for us, school massacres are very rare so our kids are probably safer at school than they were while you drove them there.”
“If you want to help cut down on homicides and violence, we'll need to address many aspects of our society. It will be a long and arduous journey. We'll need to honestly examine our values and be honest about what we really are as a nation.
If we just want to address firearms homicides, we'll need to address quite a few things. Magazine bans have been tried and had no impact on violent crime or homicides. Most homicides are accomplished with one to three shots. A very few incidents of mass murder occur and some have involved magazines that hold more than X amount of rounds. To argue that magazine bans / semi-automatic firearm bans will address our homicide rate is like saying you are going to aggressively research a cure for leprosy to try and combat cancer. It feels like your doing something, but it's not something that will help.”
“Mass murders by car almost never make it past the local news. I lived in Miami for about 18 months and there were four I read about in the Miami Herald during that time. These were intentional acts and the drivers drove into and through crowds repeatedly. I just read about another on the west coast were a man in his 60's dorve through an outdoor market while swerving to hit pedestrians. His lawyer said his car malfunctioned but he managed to swerve around every parked car, but not any people. Investigation showed no mechanical problems with his car.
Incidents with guns have special interest groups lined up on both sides and tend to draw more readers/viewers. That's why you hear about them more often.”
“A 30 round magazine is the standard capacity magazine for an ar-15. I get what you're saying and, aside from using the media soup du jour terms, you do make an argument against magazines. Unfortunately, it asks a question that we'll never have an answer for. How many would more have survived? Less?
We have gone the magazine ban route before and it had no effect on violent crime. These firearms just aren't used in enough crimes or homicides to make any true difference. You can't make an aneurysm better with an aspirin.
Our problem lies in our society, not with our gun owners. We have huge amounts of people living in poverty. We have a mental health system that is almost completely broken. Those of us with jobs are seeing the lowest percentage of money being reinvested in the workforce resulting in many more 'working poor.' Our media glorifies violence more realistically than ever before. Our 24 hour news cycle makes stories into such giant issues that we cannot maintain a realistic perspective. Our political parties have managed to polarize our population into two groups that detest each other. If anyone thinks a magazine capacity ban will address the problems that create and allow the Lanzas, Klebolds, Holmes', Harris' and McVeighs of the world, you are sadly mistaken.
It's a tough thing to look in the mirror and admit our shortcomings as a society, but maybe it's time.”
“This is very true, but addressing the real problems will take time and effort. It's much easier target methodology, whip up emotions about and then say you have accomplished something.... until the next massacre”
“So the elected law enforcement officials would like to continue to elected and follow the wishes of the voter base while the appointed chiefs say what the boss tells them to say..... You aren't exactly helping your argument here.”
“A noisy majority also shouldn't be able to deny anyone's rights. Especially since all these "common sense" measures wouldn't have a bit of difference in any of the crimes that gave impetus to their rise. It could be that the meaning of common sense is changing. We may see that's definition will soon be 'foolish' or 'without merit.'”
“Hyper-partisanship is it's own trap. There is no political party wearing the white hat and standing for all that is good and right in the world. They are all responsible. Take a step back and really look at these things. Intense government secrecy involving massive amounts of US citizens' actions and communications has secret judicial oversight.... This seems like a good idea no matter which party is in power?”
nomobull on Jun 8, 2013 at 09:31:28
“. "There is no political party wearing the white hat and standing for all that is good and right in the world. "
But yet too many want to pretend everything they don't like started with this president and this administration.
ar too many of those crying foul now are responsible for opening the door. and now that it,s hitting close to their house. it,s a problem.
and the utter hypocrisy of those blaming the president,pretending this just happened. that they weren't warned by those warning when the Patriot act was signed The congress pretending ignorance. and the media suddenly discovering one of the worst kept secrets to anyone paying attention. it's not hyper partisanship to refuse to accept what I know is another distraction. and to know that there is a lot of bs being fed to us by our media who are more interested in creating than reporting a story.”
“The homeland security act was a huge mistake in many ways. As time has passed, the enormity of the mistake becomes more apparent. You can't give the government a shiny new toy and expect them to only play with it under it's original intent. Especially not when said toy comes with secrecy provisions.”