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Roy Sekoff On The Election Wake Up Call (VIDEO)
Commented Nov 05, 2009 at 00:58:53 in Politics
“BEFORE I BANG MY HEAD AGAINST THE WALL.. havent the complaints about barry been that he's in "campaign mode"..not "presidential mode"???”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 21, 2009 at 21:24:11 in Business
“in other words, we have no examples of moral marxism to compare any other economic system to?
Now, as an aside, I had suggested with respect to healthcare, that conduct a 5-yr experiment. Pass a health care bill--and then, for 5 years, apply it ONLY to Federal employees, elected and appointed Federal officials [all of them]--anyone leaving these categories or entering these categories anytime during the 5 year period would still be part of the experiment. Then we would a good database upon which we could evaluate whatever healthcare bill is passed--and then, based upon an assessment, make corrections.
Maybe we could do a similar 5-yr experiment [or better yet a 10 yr expt!!] of whatever moral marxism is--using the same population. Then we could see how it works!”
Now, as an aside, I had suggested with respect to healthcare, that conduct a 5-yr experiment. Pass a health care bill--and then, for 5 years, apply it ONLY to Federal employees, elected and appointed Federal officials [all of them]--anyone leaving these categories or entering these categories anytime during the 5 year period would still be part of the experiment. Then we would a good database upon which we could evaluate whatever healthcare bill is passed--and then, based upon an assessment, make corrections.
Maybe we could do a similar 5-yr experiment [or better yet a 10 yr expt!!] of whatever moral marxism is--using the same population. Then we could see how it works!”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 21, 2009 at 20:57:36 in Business
“marx and morals?? Where has MORAL Marxism been successfully practiced? That is, is there a Marxist government in which the "rulers" dont do exceedingly better than the proletariat [who have NO opportunity to better themselves!].”
mravka replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 21:01:38
“I will repost my answer to you from below;
There has never been Socialism or Communism in any modern nation. The former Eastern bloc were authoritarian dictatorships that practiced state capitalism. The means of production were certainly not in the hands of the workers. The closest we've come to Communism was in Anarchist Spain in the 1930s. It comes as no surprise that the Soviet Union was anxious to sabotage that experiment and actively pursued policies to destroy the Anarchists in Catalonia, lest their success undermine Soviet power in the U.S.S.R.”
There has never been Socialism or Communism in any modern nation. The former Eastern bloc were authoritarian dictatorships that practiced state capitalism. The means of production were certainly not in the hands of the workers. The closest we've come to Communism was in Anarchist Spain in the 1930s. It comes as no surprise that the Soviet Union was anxious to sabotage that experiment and actively pursued policies to destroy the Anarchists in Catalonia, lest their success undermine Soviet power in the U.S.S.R.”
Taking the Movement Out of the Obama White House
Commented Sep 07, 2009 at 10:21:27 in Politics
“I believe some of the early reasons he was "targetted" was his documented
1- interest in changing us from a capitalist society to one in which wealth is to be "redistributed"
2-his obvious RACIST beliefs (so I guess if we are INTOLERANT of RACISTS having the Prez' ear, that makes us RACISTS as well? Seems to be the logic!)
3-his linkage with organizations some deem inimical to American interests
4-and finally, his criminal record.
The 9/11 crap only showed up a week or so ago.
Obviously Mr. Jones is entitled to HIS beliefs--including his racist ones. However, there are many people who question the wisdom of someone with his background and ideas---oh....oh....and let's not forget skin pigmentation [after all EVERY critic of this Administration is a racist!!!]...being anywhere in this administration.
Now, if the p really wants Jones there, he can tell his critics to shove it and stand on principle by his man. After all, isnt personnel power ? [jones is reported to have said something like that--and since both barry & he on on record supporting wealth redistribution then he was chosen for a reason] Jones & barry are certainly entitled to their beliefs and to try and effect the change they think he was elected to implement. however, Jones' "resignation" is further evidence of little moral courage our current, temporary, WH occupant has.”
1- interest in changing us from a capitalist society to one in which wealth is to be "redistributed"
2-his obvious RACIST beliefs (so I guess if we are INTOLERANT of RACISTS having the Prez' ear, that makes us RACISTS as well? Seems to be the logic!)
3-his linkage with organizations some deem inimical to American interests
4-and finally, his criminal record.
The 9/11 crap only showed up a week or so ago.
Obviously Mr. Jones is entitled to HIS beliefs--including his racist ones. However, there are many people who question the wisdom of someone with his background and ideas---oh....oh....and let's not forget skin pigmentation [after all EVERY critic of this Administration is a racist!!!]...being anywhere in this administration.
Now, if the p really wants Jones there, he can tell his critics to shove it and stand on principle by his man. After all, isnt personnel power ? [jones is reported to have said something like that--and since both barry & he on on record supporting wealth redistribution then he was chosen for a reason] Jones & barry are certainly entitled to their beliefs and to try and effect the change they think he was elected to implement. however, Jones' "resignation" is further evidence of little moral courage our current, temporary, WH occupant has.”
HankDennemann replied on Sep 07, 2009 at 11:10:20
“Excellent points, although I don't think that the resignation is evidence of Obama's lack of moral courage. If anything, it shows just the opposite. Jones is a lunatic, and progressives who can't understand why an open communist isn't an acceptable addition to the WH even in this day and age are more out of touch than they realize. Obama's willingness to push him out represented to me, at least, that the administration understands just how distasteful Jones' presence would be to his constituents.”
mgsorens replied on Sep 07, 2009 at 11:09:33
“Yes. The very same things that make Van Jones appealing to David Sirota are the things that Conservatives object to. Jones is not a secret liberal or secret socialist or a secret leader of the Progressive Movement. He is proud of those beliefs.
Obama's spokesman has said that Obama does not agree with Jones political theories.
It does appear that Jones is not proud that he signed the "truther" petition, but he has been proud to make baseless accusations about conspiracies by white people to dump pollution in black an minority communities.
It is amazing to me that Obama claims to disagree with so many of his ex-associates, who seem to agree among themselves about damn near everything. From my ignorant point of view, it seems to me that Jones, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, etc. are all part of the "same movement."”
Obama's spokesman has said that Obama does not agree with Jones political theories.
It does appear that Jones is not proud that he signed the "truther" petition, but he has been proud to make baseless accusations about conspiracies by white people to dump pollution in black an minority communities.
It is amazing to me that Obama claims to disagree with so many of his ex-associates, who seem to agree among themselves about damn near everything. From my ignorant point of view, it seems to me that Jones, Rev. Wright, Ayers, Dohrn, etc. are all part of the "same movement."”
Democracy in the Crosshairs: Guns at Town Halls
Commented Aug 20, 2009 at 19:07:13 in Politics
“When can we expect Mr. levin to do a "search and replace" [replace "white" with "black"] on this column and re-post ? Now that we've seen a bit more of the msnbc video the revisions should be made postehaste!! Keith's "worst person in the world" tonight will be....THE MSNBC FILM EDITOR!”
pghnappyrhino replied on Aug 21, 2009 at 08:17:54
“i've noticed that a lot of those on the right like to engage in that "let's replace "x" with "y" and see how "y" like it.
there's only one problem: changing the group in the comment, doesn't change the circumstances and the situations of those groups.
so you can replace "white" with "black" if you want, but it's foolishness, at best.”
there's only one problem: changing the group in the comment, doesn't change the circumstances and the situations of those groups.
so you can replace "white" with "black" if you want, but it's foolishness, at best.”
Inside The Mob Outside The Grand Junction Health Care Town Hall (VIDEO)
Commented Aug 16, 2009 at 22:27:08 in Home
“THANK G*D WE GAVE OUT FREE REFRESHMENT & HAD SIGNS---WHO KNOWS WHAt could have happened if otrherwise!! Thank you!!!!”
The New Sub-Prime Threat?
Commented Aug 07, 2009 at 23:49:09 in Media
“Exactly! I would have been MORE surprised were they NOT there!!
I mean, its not like the CIA's direct conduit[s] to the NY Times leaking secrets... IN TIME OF WAR!”
I mean, its not like the CIA's direct conduit[s] to the NY Times leaking secrets... IN TIME OF WAR!”
Crazy Wingnut Healthcare Attacks Exposed
Commented Jul 26, 2009 at 22:13:16 in Politics
“Why not actually DO an experiment on the pluses/minuses of whatever healthcare bill gets passed. Given the high costs entailed with a foul-up, and the lack of experience most of our reps have with health-care [except as a patient] I propose:
1- by 2011 have ALL Federal employees and ALL elected/appointed government officials "enrolled" in the plan they designed;
2- keep them in it for 5 years [if youleave federal employment, get voted out or choose to not run, you stay in the plan until the study is over; newly elected reps & newly hired employees get the current health plan]
3-in 2017/2018 complete a review of the good/bad aspects of the program
4- let our reps then decide if their old plan was better or worse than the plan they crafted for us
5- make modifications as necessary
5-implement the national program in 2020 rather than 2013.
This 5 year evaluation would cost less, give us a study vpopulation that includes all who will be voting on it”
1- by 2011 have ALL Federal employees and ALL elected/appointed government officials "enrolled" in the plan they designed;
2- keep them in it for 5 years [if youleave federal employment, get voted out or choose to not run, you stay in the plan until the study is over; newly elected reps & newly hired employees get the current health plan]
3-in 2017/2018 complete a review of the good/bad aspects of the program
4- let our reps then decide if their old plan was better or worse than the plan they crafted for us
5- make modifications as necessary
5-implement the national program in 2020 rather than 2013.
This 5 year evaluation would cost less, give us a study vpopulation that includes all who will be voting on it”
Imago replied on Aug 07, 2009 at 15:15:29
“Lovely idea.
Except for the people in this country who will lose everything between now and 2020 because their medical bills have destroyed them. Or the people who've died because they couldn't seek treatment. And so on. Insurance bills are exploding and people can't keep up -- we are in crisis about this now.
While I do understand your point, the thing is that this system does not need to get designed in a vacuum -- there are variations on better health care systems all over the world.
According to the last ranking by the World Health Organization in 2000, the US came in 37th in national health care systems. Nine years ago, there were 36 countries do it better than we do. That's a lot of models to look at!”
Except for the people in this country who will lose everything between now and 2020 because their medical bills have destroyed them. Or the people who've died because they couldn't seek treatment. And so on. Insurance bills are exploding and people can't keep up -- we are in crisis about this now.
While I do understand your point, the thing is that this system does not need to get designed in a vacuum -- there are variations on better health care systems all over the world.
According to the last ranking by the World Health Organization in 2000, the US came in 37th in national health care systems. Nine years ago, there were 36 countries do it better than we do. That's a lot of models to look at!”
Refusing to Comply: The Tactics of Resistance in an All-Volunteer Military
Commented Jul 01, 2009 at 23:56:15 in Politics
“This is SCARY--soldiers disobeying LAWFUL orders? Soldiers putting my IRAQI friends AT RISK beccause they know more than their commanders--or President Obama knows?
Maybe they should take off their uniforms, and spend some time among ordianry Iraqis of all tribes--go visdit the Marsh Arabs in southern Iraq--oh--and while they atre at it...GO VISIT KUWAIT--A COUNTRY THAT HAD MORE THAN 800 CITIZENS [OUT OF A POPULATION OF LESS THAN 1 MILLION] REMOVED BY SADDAM IN 1990. F9or those military ignorami you are discussing, there is a UNSC resolution addressing the repatriation of these 800+ Kuwaitis.
OK--800 is a really miniscule number...not much to get excited about--but 800 kuwaitis out of less than 1 million is about 250,000 AMERICANS detained..and KILLED!!
How about the Iraqi who had to go to Switzerland for cardiac therapy?? How do you feel about the Iraqi secret police holding his 15 year old son until he returns [a VERY GOOD FRIEND of mine since 1992].
These candy-asses should be sent to Levenworth if they cannot follow the orders of their CIVILIAN CIC.
(Of course, in the UN had ANY guts we would NEVER be in Iraq!!].”
Maybe they should take off their uniforms, and spend some time among ordianry Iraqis of all tribes--go visdit the Marsh Arabs in southern Iraq--oh--and while they atre at it...GO VISIT KUWAIT--A COUNTRY THAT HAD MORE THAN 800 CITIZENS [OUT OF A POPULATION OF LESS THAN 1 MILLION] REMOVED BY SADDAM IN 1990. F9or those military ignorami you are discussing, there is a UNSC resolution addressing the repatriation of these 800+ Kuwaitis.
OK--800 is a really miniscule number...not much to get excited about--but 800 kuwaitis out of less than 1 million is about 250,000 AMERICANS detained..and KILLED!!
How about the Iraqi who had to go to Switzerland for cardiac therapy?? How do you feel about the Iraqi secret police holding his 15 year old son until he returns [a VERY GOOD FRIEND of mine since 1992].
These candy-asses should be sent to Levenworth if they cannot follow the orders of their CIVILIAN CIC.
(Of course, in the UN had ANY guts we would NEVER be in Iraq!!].”
Obama: No Realist He
Commented Jun 16, 2009 at 18:10:50 in Politics
“Hey--get over it!! The Iranian people have spoken--and reelected MA!!! So what if the effete intellectual elits in Teheran are upset--LIVE WITH IT!!! [WE DID!!!]. Another plus is that President Obama has already had some, albein informal, contacts with Iran's President. Given the importance of herlping Iran develop nuclear power & NOT weapons-- this burgeoning relations is more easily exploited to the President's advantage and starting over with the same guy who ramped up their nuke program in the late 80s!!
Ive written several times on this sites: President Obama needs to one-up Nixon & go to Teheran!!! He needs to also give a speech to the Iranian people with the old US Embassy in the background!!! THis will go far to rei9nforce Obama's palce as the leader of the free world, earse the memories of carter's 'desert 1"--and provide photos that will help us in both the 2010 & 2012 elections (plus, by going himself--and leaving hilly home, he further marginalizes the clintons!].
These are all GOOD things!!”
Ive written several times on this sites: President Obama needs to one-up Nixon & go to Teheran!!! He needs to also give a speech to the Iranian people with the old US Embassy in the background!!! THis will go far to rei9nforce Obama's palce as the leader of the free world, earse the memories of carter's 'desert 1"--and provide photos that will help us in both the 2010 & 2012 elections (plus, by going himself--and leaving hilly home, he further marginalizes the clintons!].
These are all GOOD things!!”
Let Women Wear the Hijab: The Emptiness of Obama's Cairo Speech
Commented Jun 04, 2009 at 17:29:59 in World
“ACTIONS are always going to speak louder than words--no matter how well they are delivered. We'll just have to see what the President accompluishes over the next 4 or 8 years. How many more Muslims or even just Arabs or Persians--be free of being ruled by despots? How many more women will hold responsible positions in government? How many of these countries will be removed from the lists of human rights abusers? How will the Palestinians establish a viable state without real aid [NOT weapons] from other Muslim states? How few rockets will be used as terror weapons against Israel?
I 'm sure others have different metrics that could be used, but it would be interesting to see graphs of trhese data, some by country, say, since the 1972 Munich massacre.
Kuwait and Iraq both have women in their parliaments. Which Muslim country will be the next to elect women under this administration?
Which Muslim nation will be next to be freed of the shackles of mullahs, hereditary rulers, or rulers "elected" by questionable means under the nudging of this Administration?
Anyone care to make some guesses???”
I 'm sure others have different metrics that could be used, but it would be interesting to see graphs of trhese data, some by country, say, since the 1972 Munich massacre.
Kuwait and Iraq both have women in their parliaments. Which Muslim country will be the next to elect women under this administration?
Which Muslim nation will be next to be freed of the shackles of mullahs, hereditary rulers, or rulers "elected" by questionable means under the nudging of this Administration?
Anyone care to make some guesses???”
Rapier replied on Jun 04, 2009 at 18:59:06
“Your remarks are too generalized to be accurate. Pakistan, for example, has had a female Prime Minister as Britain did with Mrs,Thatcher and India with Mrs. Gandhi. There are also other inaccuracies betraying prejudices.”
Arianna On MSNBC, Discusses Cheney's Statements On Lack Of Iraq-9/11 Link Evidence
Commented Jun 02, 2009 at 22:33:56 in Media
“Cheney's LYING...AGAIN!!!!”
Air Force Boots Their 25 Million Dollar Aviator (He's Gay) VIDEO
Commented May 20, 2009 at 00:47:32 in Politics
“thanx bubba..and WHERE is our current POTUS??>??
Were just as CULPABLE as those F$%^&*g Rs!!!
WAKE UP AMERIKA!!!@!!!”
Were just as CULPABLE as those F$%^&*g Rs!!!
WAKE UP AMERIKA!!!@!!!”
One Hundred Days
Commented Apr 29, 2009 at 19:58:43 in Politics
“Maybe we should!! i met Iraqi scientists in Montreal in Aug 05--one of whom I'd been in contact with since 1992 (see spring 05 NYT):
2-3-05
DEAR STEVE THE FAIR [fear] IS AWAY ANDI TOOK ALL FAMILY FOR ELECTION EVEN THEIR IS A THREAT OF BOMBS AND TERREIST BUT NEVER THE LESS WE WENT AND VOTE AT THE END IT IS BEATIFULL TO FELL FREE TO CHOOSE WHAT ONE THINK IT IS WRIGHT, WE THANKS US [=United States!!!] FOR THAT AND HOPE TO KEEP HELPING IRAQI PEOPLE IN PROCCESS OF DEMOCRACE WITH OUT US [United States] WE WILL RETUR BACK TO DENGIN AND DARK AGES .
12-13-2005:
Two days ago a prof of soil sciences have been kidnapped and yesterday they found his body killed. These gangs came to him at midnight and take him to his death. I know the fellow... It is a chaotic country! MAYBE I AM ON THE LIST PREPARED BY PRO-IRAN GROUPS FOR KILLING. I am going to buy a gun to defend myself and my family. I feel really bad and sad. We need somebody to rescue us from this horrible situation."
2-22-06:
“We are safe till now. .... BASRAH IT WILL BE THE BATTLEPLACE WITH IRAN. God bless and save us. ... BUT EVERY PERSON KNOWS EVERY MONTH NEW LIST OF NAMES TO BE KILLED COME FROM IRAN. They used certain cars, sometimes police cars,and police men perform the assassination”
Any comments???”
2-3-05
DEAR STEVE THE FAIR [fear] IS AWAY ANDI TOOK ALL FAMILY FOR ELECTION EVEN THEIR IS A THREAT OF BOMBS AND TERREIST BUT NEVER THE LESS WE WENT AND VOTE AT THE END IT IS BEATIFULL TO FELL FREE TO CHOOSE WHAT ONE THINK IT IS WRIGHT, WE THANKS US [=United States!!!] FOR THAT AND HOPE TO KEEP HELPING IRAQI PEOPLE IN PROCCESS OF DEMOCRACE WITH OUT US [United States] WE WILL RETUR BACK TO DENGIN AND DARK AGES .
12-13-2005:
Two days ago a prof of soil sciences have been kidnapped and yesterday they found his body killed. These gangs came to him at midnight and take him to his death. I know the fellow... It is a chaotic country! MAYBE I AM ON THE LIST PREPARED BY PRO-IRAN GROUPS FOR KILLING. I am going to buy a gun to defend myself and my family. I feel really bad and sad. We need somebody to rescue us from this horrible situation."
2-22-06:
“We are safe till now. .... BASRAH IT WILL BE THE BATTLEPLACE WITH IRAN. God bless and save us. ... BUT EVERY PERSON KNOWS EVERY MONTH NEW LIST OF NAMES TO BE KILLED COME FROM IRAN. They used certain cars, sometimes police cars,and police men perform the assassination”
Any comments???”
One Hundred Days
Commented Apr 29, 2009 at 18:59:51 in Politics
“I concur--read her quotes from 1998 that I posted above--SHE GETS IT with respect ot Al Qaeda & terrorism!!!”
One Hundred Days
Commented Apr 29, 2009 at 18:57:27 in Politics
“At least one "bumper sticker" phrase-- "long war" [or "long-term battle']has been dropped from our vocabulary--and we should NO LONGERconsider ANY sort of "pre-emptive" action!!!:
“This is…the war of the future. This is going to be a long-term battle against terrorists who have declared war on the US. That is what Osama bin Laden did. He basically made clear that all Americans… were potential targets, and he used the word 'war.'"
“In this struggle, our adversaries are likely to avoid traditional battlefield situations because there, American dominance is well established. We must be concerned, instead, by weapons of mass destruction…sabotage and hidden bombs….We must understand that this confrontation is long term. It does not lend itself to quick victories. To prevail we must summon our courage.”
“….yesterday's strikes in Afghanistan…. mark the beginning of a 'long-term battle" against terrorists…………. [The] Secretary called the strikes a pre-emptive measure.”
Thank you Secretary Albright (1998)!!!.”
“This is…the war of the future. This is going to be a long-term battle against terrorists who have declared war on the US. That is what Osama bin Laden did. He basically made clear that all Americans… were potential targets, and he used the word 'war.'"
“In this struggle, our adversaries are likely to avoid traditional battlefield situations because there, American dominance is well established. We must be concerned, instead, by weapons of mass destruction…sabotage and hidden bombs….We must understand that this confrontation is long term. It does not lend itself to quick victories. To prevail we must summon our courage.”
“….yesterday's strikes in Afghanistan…. mark the beginning of a 'long-term battle" against terrorists…………. [The] Secretary called the strikes a pre-emptive measure.”
Thank you Secretary Albright (1998)!!!.”
leapyearmark replied on Apr 30, 2009 at 06:16:53
“terrorist? i thought we aren't allowed to use that word?”
Krispi replied on Apr 29, 2009 at 20:49:43
“What I don't get is how those of us who in our younger years who were subjected to "emergency civil defense drills" in case of nuclear war are now afraid of it happening. Its' lunacy in the first place to have 10,000 of these missile available still we act as though we couldn't recover from a nuclear incident happening somewhere on our soil. One "dirty bomb" does not make an end to all life as we now know it. I'm not saying bring it on, but lets' not fear what may happen, lets' live life to its' fullest as Americans and do our best to carry on together, united and free.”
Watergate, Prosecuted. Why Not Water(boarding)gate?
Commented Apr 28, 2009 at 23:31:06 in Politics
“When the Congress made "waterboarding" (I cant find the date or the actual law) illegal ANYONE who then TORTURED a captive needs to be prosecuted--and if found guilty executed [or, better yet--waterboarded 183 times!!!).
Can someone point me to the Congressional record or ?? where Congress made "waterboarding" illegal??? I'm having trouble finding it!!! Then we'd know who was REALLY culpable (RUMMY!!!)--and when!!!”
Can someone point me to the Congressional record or ?? where Congress made "waterboarding" illegal??? I'm having trouble finding it!!! Then we'd know who was REALLY culpable (RUMMY!!!)--and when!!!”
CherokeeGirl replied on May 06, 2009 at 19:53:39
“I think it's been outlawed since 1898
but we let it slide after WWI
then Hitler came back even stronger not only with torture but genocide.
So, we came back stronger in 1949 at Neremberg and prosecuted war crimes, of which waterboarding is defined. The Spanish Inquisition used to waterboard.
Now, half of us have forgotten about how important these laws are.
The Geneva Convention, I think it's article 3.”
but we let it slide after WWI
then Hitler came back even stronger not only with torture but genocide.
So, we came back stronger in 1949 at Neremberg and prosecuted war crimes, of which waterboarding is defined. The Spanish Inquisition used to waterboard.
Now, half of us have forgotten about how important these laws are.
The Geneva Convention, I think it's article 3.”
LeftRight replied on Apr 29, 2009 at 08:57:56
“Um... since we prosecuted American soldiers for waterboarding in the Spanish American war in 1898, and we executed Japanese soldiers for waterboarding after WW2 in 1945...... I would say that there's not likely a need to pass a law....”
When the Left Went Teabagging: As You Chuckle at the Right's Newfound Activism, Don't Forget That the Left Sucked Balls for Years
Commented Apr 17, 2009 at 17:32:33 in Politics
“how many "right wing" rallies have been marred by violence (i'm not counting that 62 year old who was run down in New Port richey, FL by that 23 yr old who was ticked off at the ralliers)?
How many anti-war, anti-WTO, rallies were marked by violence--including destruction or defacing personal property? How many left wing organizations and sympathizers committed violent acts in support of their cause[s]? How many "right wing wackos" other than Timmy McVeigh and his partner and that guy who hid in the GA/NC ? mountains have committed violent acts???”
How many anti-war, anti-WTO, rallies were marked by violence--including destruction or defacing personal property? How many left wing organizations and sympathizers committed violent acts in support of their cause[s]? How many "right wing wackos" other than Timmy McVeigh and his partner and that guy who hid in the GA/NC ? mountains have committed violent acts???”
WilliamL replied on Apr 18, 2009 at 10:44:30
“How about the thousands of Klan rallies that resulted in the violence upon African Americans, the whole noose thing, buring churches with children in them, killing civil rights activists,
oh yeah,
an entire Civil War was launched by right wing slave owners-there was quite a bit of violence and damage done,
and then the business of that right wing nut job name Boothe?
I would argue that Lincoln might have a solid arguement about the role of right wing and violence and so forth.............................................................................................”
oh yeah,
an entire Civil War was launched by right wing slave owners-there was quite a bit of violence and damage done,
and then the business of that right wing nut job name Boothe?
I would argue that Lincoln might have a solid arguement about the role of right wing and violence and so forth.............................................................................................”
Dopeman replied on Apr 18, 2009 at 09:01:58
“Hahahahaha... sorry, but you don't get to just mention Tim McVeigh in passing and equate what he did with "defacing personal property". Tim McVeigh's a big 'un. All the leftist grafitti in the world doesn't add up to one Oklahoma city bombing. .
FAIL.”
FAIL.”
ElTommo replied on Apr 17, 2009 at 18:09:40
“YES! LET'S PLAY THE WHICH WING HAS THE MOST CRAZIES GAME!?!11 I LOVE ITt!!!1ELEVEN.
Seriously.”
Seriously.”
When the Left Went Teabagging: As You Chuckle at the Right's Newfound Activism, Don't Forget That the Left Sucked Balls for Years
Commented Apr 17, 2009 at 17:23:26 in Politics
“Couldnt resist bringing up George Soros could you?”
pragmaticdallasite replied on Apr 17, 2009 at 18:18:14
“I think they're talking about Dick Armey, Fox, and FreedomWorks”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 23:12:24 in Politics
“you are so right!! who actually COLLECTED those data 1,500,000 yrs year ago??? And Where are the CALIBRQTION LOGS ON THE INSTRUMENTATION USED...1,500,000 YEARS AGO???
In my line of work, environmental measuring devices for variables such as salinity, DO & ph are CALIBRATED before they go in the field...and then RECALIBRATED upon return (in case, for example, there is "drift").
How much confidence do you have that measurements preceding sentient primates (1,500,000 yrs ago) were properly calibrated?? Who manufactured these instruments?? YSI? Hydrolab? How well trained were these 1.5 million year old technicians???
If we are relying on measurements from ice, or other physical particles--YOU NEED TO ESTIMATE A CONFIDENCE LIMIT!!!! These CLs are NEVER REPORTED!!!!
For example: if I weighed 3 people and their weights were 2 lbs, 35 lbs, & 375 lbs the mean is 138 lbs--but 95% of the time the mean can range anywhere between
-375 lbs & +650 lbs!!! These numbers aRE MEANINGLESS!!!
...yet 95%CLs do not seem to be reported for any of these global "warming" models!! If I am wrong about this, please link me to a mdel that estimates CONFIDENCE LIMITS!!!”
In my line of work, environmental measuring devices for variables such as salinity, DO & ph are CALIBRATED before they go in the field...and then RECALIBRATED upon return (in case, for example, there is "drift").
How much confidence do you have that measurements preceding sentient primates (1,500,000 yrs ago) were properly calibrated?? Who manufactured these instruments?? YSI? Hydrolab? How well trained were these 1.5 million year old technicians???
If we are relying on measurements from ice, or other physical particles--YOU NEED TO ESTIMATE A CONFIDENCE LIMIT!!!! These CLs are NEVER REPORTED!!!!
For example: if I weighed 3 people and their weights were 2 lbs, 35 lbs, & 375 lbs the mean is 138 lbs--but 95% of the time the mean can range anywhere between
-375 lbs & +650 lbs!!! These numbers aRE MEANINGLESS!!!
...yet 95%CLs do not seem to be reported for any of these global "warming" models!! If I am wrong about this, please link me to a mdel that estimates CONFIDENCE LIMITS!!!”
BruceHNV replied on Apr 15, 2009 at 13:48:26
“It's called ice-coring ya twit. And the cores are proserved and lab-tested multiple times with duly calibrated instruments. Gas content, dust, pollen, stable water istotopes, sediment, etc., etc. are analyzed to come up with hard data as to the conditions prevalent at the time the ice was laid down.
Scoff at the science all you want. The "scientists" who are pooh-poohing global warming are doing NO original research of their own.”
Scoff at the science all you want. The "scientists" who are pooh-poohing global warming are doing NO original research of their own.”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 21:50:31 in Politics
“global warming does seem to belong to the "left"--much as "global cooling" did in the late 70s. Climate CHANGE wuld seem to be more accurate since the CLIMATE of this planet HAS ALWAYS BEEN IN A STATE OF FLUX.
Of course if you believe that mathematical models can predict "long-term" climate change based upon very little [in geological time] REAL data--and NO PRESENTATIONS OF CONFIDENCE LIMITS--more power to you. We cannot even predict daily maximum temperatures very well 2-4 days in advance!!! Why should we be able to ACCURATELY PREDICT over hundreds of years?? How well does YOUR preferred model HINDCAST (and, again, what are the CLs???)
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Does anyone remember the furor after The Lancet published Roberts et. at. (2004) "Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey"? Did anyone of you ACTUALLY READ IT??
The media headlines were to the effect that [at that time] almost 200,000 people died from our invasion. IN FACT, THE AUTHORS WROTE, " We estimate that 98000 more deaths than expected (8000-194000) happened after the invasion outside of Falluja and far more if the outlier Falluja cluster is included". That means IT WAS JUST AS LIKELEY THERE WERE ONLY 8000 "EXCESS DEATHS" AS THERE WERE ~200,000!!!!
So...what do you think the actual range of a "global warming" temperature increase looks like 95% of the time?? The range on the deaths estimate was 24 fold!!! That means the ESTIMATED MEAN IS USELESS!!”
Of course if you believe that mathematical models can predict "long-term" climate change based upon very little [in geological time] REAL data--and NO PRESENTATIONS OF CONFIDENCE LIMITS--more power to you. We cannot even predict daily maximum temperatures very well 2-4 days in advance!!! Why should we be able to ACCURATELY PREDICT over hundreds of years?? How well does YOUR preferred model HINDCAST (and, again, what are the CLs???)
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Does anyone remember the furor after The Lancet published Roberts et. at. (2004) "Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey"? Did anyone of you ACTUALLY READ IT??
The media headlines were to the effect that [at that time] almost 200,000 people died from our invasion. IN FACT, THE AUTHORS WROTE, " We estimate that 98000 more deaths than expected (8000-194000) happened after the invasion outside of Falluja and far more if the outlier Falluja cluster is included". That means IT WAS JUST AS LIKELEY THERE WERE ONLY 8000 "EXCESS DEATHS" AS THERE WERE ~200,000!!!!
So...what do you think the actual range of a "global warming" temperature increase looks like 95% of the time?? The range on the deaths estimate was 24 fold!!! That means the ESTIMATED MEAN IS USELESS!!”
BruceHNV replied on Apr 14, 2009 at 22:32:55
“"very little...data" Actually, no. We're back to about 1.5 million years worth of data, now.
The data is pretty solid - unlike when there were a couple of articles published and some concern about "cooling."”
The data is pretty solid - unlike when there were a couple of articles published and some concern about "cooling."”
noamjunior replied on Apr 14, 2009 at 22:20:52
“enjoy arguing moot points with unsourced (re-made up) statistics much?”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 20:21:12 in Politics
“i can remember when diss3ent WAS patriotic---thats no longer the case 'cause we've turned over a new leaf and we all need to be on the SAME page--or we'll run into at leasst some problems in 2010.”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 20:18:01 in Politics
“We certainly havent heard of any exit strategy for pakistan--where we have an air base launching drones that are KILLING CHILDREN & OTHER INNOCENT CIVILIAANS!!! I thought we were done with this in January!!!! WHAT THE F^&* GOESC ON HERE??? What happened to OUR "CHANGE" candidate??? WE ARE STILL KILLING INNOCENTS--AND ON EASTER WE EXECUTED 3 TEENAGERS JUST BECAUSE WE COULDNT BOTHER BEING PATIENT WITH THEM!!! I am getting REAL concwerned--gitmo is being "studied"--and Bagram--well...who knows what horrors are occurring there! Renditions are still occurring [or should i say they can still occur], secret evidence is still secret, were still getting spied upon--WHO IS THIS PRESIDENT?? I had an idea of who Sen. Obama was--but I have NO IDEA WHO PRES. OBAMA IS!!!”
BruceHNV replied on Apr 14, 2009 at 21:22:09
“SHOUT it louder. It will make more SENSE that way.
Or maybe not.”
Or maybe not.”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 20:12:24 in Politics
“The backlash against these innocent gathering, much like the backlash against sarah P is a real concern. If these gathering were really a joke--and palin was REALLY a joke WE WOULD IGNORE THEM!! It is is only because so many of us are, apparently, AFRAID, that we elevate their status!!! What do they say in show iz? the only bad publicity is NO publicity!!! We are showing FEAR!!!! Dont you see it???”
Teabagging: Redux Anti-Intellectualism
Commented Apr 14, 2009 at 20:09:03 in Politics
“unfortunately, their --and hannity's as well---financial success may well entice too many kids down the wrong path--- much as the nba & nfl entices high school kids. now, if you're looking for a lower financial tier, then you have ingraham, bennett, madow, and, at one time, Sen. Franken--each of who is at least educated---but not as well off..”
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