“I have yet to meet the thoughtful person who says "let them rot".
Once you say you want treatment to the unknown person who is hit by a car you enter the world of how much?, what disease?, in what venue?, and no one wants to answer these questions in a policy sense because they will lose votes.”
“They get strapped with a bill that lasts a few years, but in the end it is less than buying insurance in most cases...................... or they ding their credit and walk away, but I bet that is less common.........for young people”
“this is where the rubber meets the road. the ACA funds it's high ideals (which I am for) by mandating that the young pay for a product they don't want. So you tell them; "if you can't afford it we will give you a voucher"............... but they still didn't want it, so there will be a blow-back. As stoop id as the webpage launch was, this other issue might be the undoing of the ACA”
brittany mclean on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:42:04
“what young people do you know? im young and all my friends wish they had insurance.”
rusty apache on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:41:29
“It's all fun and games 'till they fall off their skateboard, then they come cryin' to big gubmint to step in and save them since they refused to take personal responsibility in the first place.”
sandyinalabama on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:41:22
“Where did this mantra "young people don't want health insurance" come from? It is repeated over and over. It is totally ridiculous! Young people are having babies and starting out in their careers and you are saying that they are so imbecilic that they don't see a need for health insurance. Preposterous! Life insurance, maybe, but not health insurance.”
mazaza on Dec 4, 2013 at 10:34:20
“And what's young people gonna do when young people break a leg? Go to the emergency room and have the taxpayer foot the bill?”
Nov 29, 2013 at 23:02:12
“I understood it Sheldon................... now that was an ad hominum attack. Before was a sincere observation that I have read many abstracts that don't come up to your level of technical persnicketyness. It must make reading any publication for mass consumption really tedious. Like my brother, who wipes down silverware and door knobs everywhere he goes, since there are germs everywhere...........of course he is right, but that level of persnicketyness is unnecessary.
REally..........enjoy your holidays”
Nov 29, 2013 at 22:11:26
“Wow, you must be disappointed even at the PubMed
enjoy your holidays”
oneroid on Nov 29, 2013 at 22:45:16
“I see you have a problem with understanding what I wrote. That's Ok. I'm sure you do just fine anyway with what you have to work with. This is a forum for thoughtful commentary, not ad hominum attacks.”
“I guess in your world the employer's HR dept can dictate what care does and doesn't get covered, and as an employee, you have to take it, or not, and if you don't like it, there are lots of other jobs out there, get one of those.
It appears that "junk insurance" takes a lot more forms than the $50./month individual policy that doesn't cover squat.”
“Nice thinking on your behalf....... if you have no experience.
In reality, the company can deny care, which your employer loves because that cost comes out of their bottom line, and what are you to do? Sue? Welllllll.....I have been through this, and the normal sequence of action gets stupid; the "self insured" plans are regulated by the US Dept of Labor. Good luck getting a response from the Dept of Labor....... it is infuriating to deal with this, and I have, and more infuriating to hear someone say "plan administrators have no interest in being sued over denying coverage............complete B S”
Nov 29, 2013 at 14:13:18
oneroid on Nov 29, 2013 at 15:48:47
“Oftentimes what is written about health/medical things is misleading for several reasons including that (as is the case with the tryptophan matter) there may be a huge body of good studies with conflicting results and to report just a few might deny the reader perspectives on the issues. Another is that many good studies have selection biases; that is, the people studied may not be representative of the general population etc. etc. etc. We do need journalists to give it their best shot at accuracy and thoroughness. But, in my very experienced professional opinion, the results are often misleading anyway. And not all the reporters are very well grounded in medical matters and/or science. For example, a major cable network may have as their "medical reporter" someone with a Ph.D. or Masters which may limit the grasp of medical data. Not that they are bad, just not fully qualified. I'm glad they try, though. Not knocking that.
It may seem petty, but one useful way of telling if someone is really a scientific or medical expert is that, if they are, they know that the word "data" is plural. "Datum" is the singular. "Criteria" is plural; "criterion" is the singular. Correct: "The data show....." incorrect "..shows". Correct: "The criteria are....".....not "is". This just may help to assess credibility.
“"self insured"?... that is an interesting concept. It is a situation where the company pays an insurance company to manage their employees health care, but pays a lot less because they actually pay for the care. I wonder how Obamacare effects these programs, which I always felt were criminal because your employer has a fiscal motive to deny YOU care.”
kelly1973m on Nov 30, 2013 at 17:43:33
“They cannot deny you care...but they can cheap out the policy. ACA could pose a problem for these plans and employers can walk away...pay the fine per employee and have the employee go to ACA. It will most likely be less coverage and cost more. I am beginning to believe that ACA will only work if we are all on it...and that is a problem.”
wtolawyer on Nov 29, 2013 at 14:20:58
“"Felt were criminal"......."fiscal motive to deny YOU care"...? Unless you have a written agreement, what obligation of care do you insist an employer must follow? or provide?”
Seattlewkr on Nov 29, 2013 at 14:20:06
“Hardly interesting. Policies dictate coverage. The plan administrators of self-insured company policies, have no interest in being sued over illegally denying coverage.