“I think this less racism and more a symptom of income inequality. From my experience (teaching for 4 years in 2 poorer districts), in general black students are more difficult to teach then your average student. They tend to come from broken homes (single mothers, being raised by grandmothers, etc.) that are poorer so their parents are far more stressed and have less time and money to spend on them, the kids in turn enter school with less knowledge and tools, fall behind and generally become behavior problems.
Teachers are not stupid and tend to avoid schools that are predominately black because they know they are behavior problems and experienced teachers are able to move to nicer (richer and whiter) school districts. New teachers have to take what they can get and end up in these poorer schools with larger black populations, kids who are behavior problems for experienced teachers are nightmares for new teachers, new teachers leave as soon as possible and the newest crop of new teachers replaces them. I worked in a school that had 100% turn over of the teaching staff, so each year the students had completely new teachers. The cycle seems to be reinforcing, I think uplifting the poorer black population would alleviate some of the problems.”
“And look at the name at the top of the list, apple. The company that produces most of its products in Chinese factories that have to install safety nets around their buildings to catch their employees when they throw themselves out the window rather then work there. Corporate America, the one institution that the devil himself hesitates to be affiliated with.”
mjsisko on Mar 13, 2014 at 16:32:31
“Did you know that apple also has factories in Ireland and US, and no safety nets. They are also not the largest one to use the law to their advantage. Look no further then GE. Also if you are so angry about this call your congressmen or woman and change the tax code which makes this fully legal.”
Mar 13, 2014 at 12:00:34
“I work at a school district that was sued for this very issue, too many black students suspended, and now we are essentially prohibited from suspending students of color no matter how bad the behaviour. Some of these students need to be out of the classroom so that we can teach the ones that want to be there. This is taking place during a time of the state government cutting funds for education while simultaneously increasing increasing the testing standards. Hell of a time to be a teacher.”
luvthebabies on Mar 13, 2014 at 16:01:14
“If the teacher cannot control his/her classroom, then he/she needs to be out of class. Who is the adult?”
“All good points, I notice your comment regarding offshoring jobs is never, ever, ever mentioned by either party or the media (be they liberal or conservative). The fix is in, the rich control everything.”
granthamplaster1 on Mar 13, 2014 at 12:29:35
“You are correct Michael, BOTH parties are treating the citizens of this country as mushrooms. So the real question is- how many mushrooms are going to stop living in the dark and accept the crap they are feeding us.”
“Lol, show me a salaried worker who thinks that he will have to work less then 40 hours a week and I will show you someone completely delusional. Your logic might have applied in the late 90s during a great job market, but now employers now they have you over a barrel and take full advantage of the situation.”
“As Lord Acton noted "power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."
Today's global corporations have powers undreamed of by Roman emperors. Consider the Trans Pacific Partnership trade negotiations going on. The details of the agreement are classified; neither the American people nor their elected representatives really know what's in the fine print, while 600 corporate lackeys are actually intimately involved in drafting the language and inserting their loopholes of choice.
If Salon, Huffpo, Raw, Alternet actually had any real interest in our well being defeating the TPP would be the top story every day until the TPP failed and all its supporters were driven from government”
“Ohh, economists say illegal immigration benefits? Hmm, this is the same group that saw no problem with the inflated housing market, the out of control loans, the....oh screw it, I could type for hours about how worthless economists are in general and how they have failed to foresee any recession or bubble we have had in the last 50 years.
“And? I don't see the point in allowing millions more into this country when we can't employ, feed or take care of our own.”
Daniel Francis on Feb 10, 2014 at 11:41:00
“How about we do both?
We aren't the first generation to have bad economic times. But even when our country was literally being torn apart, we STILL had large scale immigration.
What kind of opportunity would our ancestors have had if the Americans from those past eras had shut the borders under your logic?”
TXZen on Feb 10, 2014 at 00:26:17
“Asylum is a humanitarian aid that we do as Americans to give people hope and a chance where they may not have any where they are and in most cases are being actively persecuted.
And we give a lot of visas for work in migrant work areas that are paid so little that all those unemployed people in the US won't apply for, and we give a lot of visas to people that are educated and tech savvy because our supply of advanced degrees is 10 times greater in lawyers and MBAs.
And the republicans keep cutting grants and university costs keep going up”
“Why do we allow any immigration into this country? As a country, we really need to have a discussion as to who we allow, why we do and how they benefit us, the American citizens. I don't think our open door policies have benefited the majority of Americans, the 1%ers have benefited wildly from it, but the rest of us not so much.”
Serena Philips on Feb 10, 2014 at 22:19:21
“I see your point but this is what makes America America. If it wasn't for our ancestors, we would not be here.”
JoanMeijer123 on Feb 10, 2014 at 14:05:49
“Because we have an aging population - one which without immigration is shrinking - and eventually we're going to need those tax paying immigrants to pay for our government. needs”
Randy Johns on Feb 10, 2014 at 10:42:13
“This is an nation of immigrants.. the first of who stole this nation from its rightful owners and murdered many of those rightful owners....
There is a discussion as to who is allowed and the government does enters that conversation when it vets people for citizenship... employers who HIRE undocumented workers vet no one....”
pbr56 on Feb 10, 2014 at 08:51:49
“you need to look at what "open door policy" means. I'm pretty sure it isn't what you think it is.”
Greg285 on Feb 10, 2014 at 08:44:40
“The only Native Americans to America are the American Indians!! Everyone else Forefathers and Foremothers were 'Immigrants', including yours.....”
Karvin2000 on Feb 10, 2014 at 06:04:20
“Don't forget to tear down the Statue of Liberty while you're at it. Clearly you don't believe in the words written on her pedestal.”
sylvia wadlington on Feb 10, 2014 at 05:26:33
“Our forefathers had that discussion when they formed our country. We do not let people in just to benefit the country, we let people in who need a country and want to work and help make America the greatest country in the world. If you are not a Native American then one of your ancestors was an immigrant. Taking only the best and leaving the least IS NOT THE AMERICAN WAY! We are an inclusive country and an elitist one.”
PmcV on Feb 9, 2014 at 23:44:57
“Because we are some of the dumbest people . we have always looted the worlds talent . Americans spend their time on pop culture . They are stupit when it comes to the real world”
visionrider on Feb 9, 2014 at 22:31:39
“60% of fortune 500 companies were started by immigrants.”
treetracker on Feb 9, 2014 at 22:22:46
“Because we have an aging population and once the #GOP are replaced or get off their butts so we can get this economy moving again, we're going to need these workers and entrepreneurs. Lots of people who were nearing retirement put those dreams on hold when they saw their 401Ks being slashed when the crash occurred. Now many are holding on waiting for Medicare. With ACA I expect many will start retiring, opening those jobs up for the unemployed to fill. And lots Of early retirees like me went back into the work force after seeing our 401Ks destroyed. Fortunately, I have a skill set that age isn't a issue and long earned knowledge is a plus.”
robertdmorris3 on Feb 9, 2014 at 21:50:35
“Without immigration you wouldn't be here either.”
Douglas Wible on Feb 9, 2014 at 21:03:15
“You are so right. The Indians let US in, and just look at the mess we made!”
Lachelle Wolfe on Feb 9, 2014 at 20:23:32
“How do you think we became a Nation? You and I are here because of immigration. My nationality is Irish, Swedish, German and English, what is yours ODonnell. Why do we allow immigration? Because we are built on immigration, when we as the nation of all immigrates stop immigrating we are nothing more then the middle east. If we don't make those here legal the 1% can pay less. Blanket amnesty then they are in the work force the same as the rest of us, they pay the same taxes. Republicans hate it because it would mean the same pay for them as the rest of us, plus they'd now get to vote.”
Cadillac Jenkins on Feb 9, 2014 at 19:16:42
“Our nation survives on immigration The national birthrate is below 2.1 and with the exception of 2005 it has been below 2.1 since 1970. This is mainly due the exceptionally high cost of raising children in the United States. Without immigration our population would contract sharply. Our population absolutely depends on immigration for support.”
Daniel Francis on Feb 9, 2014 at 18:49:09
“O'Donnell, sounds like an Irish name.
Wonder how you got here?”
“Don't the Democrats control the Senate? Just more proof that neither party, though specifically the Republicans, care in the least about the majority of Americans.”
MrBadExample on Feb 6, 2014 at 21:32:13
“As usual, the GOP invoked cloture--it requires 60 votes to end debate on a bill, and they've used it repeatedly to block legislation they don't like. It was how they preserved tax deals for companies that off-shore (s3816) for example. The Dems have not been as loud on this as they could have been, but this is a GOP obstruction.”
Matt7678 on Feb 6, 2014 at 21:24:26
“The Republicans plain and simple blocked this. All the Democrats voted for this and 4 Republicans. It needed one more Republican to pass, which needless to say they wouldn't budge. The obstinance lies with the Republicans.”
“The compromises you are suggesting will substantially hurt the American worker, I don't think those kind of compromises need to be made.
As far as securing the borders, Americans were promised by Reagan that the borders would be secured after Amnesty, they weren't. Bush promised that the borders would be secured and the flow of illegals would stop, they weren't. Obama promised....well you get the idea. I pay more attention to what people do then what they say, especially politicians, and their actions speak loudly. The borders will not be secured and if we pass Amnesty we will have 20-30 million illegals in a few years and the American worker will be hurt that much more. That is the reality of the situation.
My choice is to enforce the laws we have on the books, prosecute illegals and employers and that in turn will hopefully restore the lower classes wages to some extent.”
“You specified Latinos and no my position is not pointless, I want to not give out Amnesty and to go after illegals and employers simultaneously. Now I don't think it will happen because Chamber of Commerce and Big Business want their endless supply of labor to exploit and they have a stranglehold on Washington, but it should. As for your last question, I worked on farms in Colorado bucking hay in the summer and worked for 2 yrs on a Dairy Farm, though that probably doesn't meet your standards of expertise.”
“I lost some respect for you on 2 points, 1) saying I was opposed to illegal immigration due to racism, it is quite possible to be opposed to Amnesty for non-racist reasons which I have been stating all along and 2) the laughable concept that the Democrats and Republicans will actually secure the border. You know that they won't secure the border and the logical result of that will be millions more.”
Nick Kelsier on Feb 3, 2014 at 20:27:13
“Let me be more specific.
What you want to do is to be able to kvetch about illegal immigrants, latino or otherwise, without actually having to do anything to actually deal with the situation because you being able to kvetch is worth more to you then making the compromises necessary to actually do something or at least attempt to.
There are very few black and white issues and this is certainly not one of them. And living in a democracy and dealing with problems in a democracy requires compromise.
So if you want something? Pay the price for it. Otherwise at least be honest enough to stay out of the way because you're not willing to make any actual substantive contribution to solving the situation.
You want secure borders or at least securer borders? Then this is the price to be paid for either attempting it or actually accomplishing it.
Make your choice.”
Nick Kelsier on Feb 3, 2014 at 20:20:39
“actually I didn't say anything about racism. Sorry, which group makes up the largest percentage of illegals? Don't go reading into things just to weasel a way to object to what I said. If I wanted to accuse you of racism, Michael, trust me I would have been very obvious and very blunt about it. I don't sugarcoat things.
2: Well then congrats you just admitted that your entire position is pointless. After all you just said nothing will get done.
I want to do something..you in actuality want to do nothing. You just want to maintain the status quo while pretending you want to change the status quo.
Let me know when you actually want to do something and also let me know when you figure out that if you want something you don't get it for free..that it requires you to compromise.
Until then you're just blowing hot air.
I do have one question for you. Have you ever in your life done any field work?”
“I think if we go after the employers and the jobs start drying up for illegals that many will self-deport.
You want to ignore the impact these people have on jobs and wages of the lower class and focus all of your anger on the "job creators" (who I also view with disgust and contempt) but these people are the reason that the 1% are able to take it to the American working class so badly. They are not the whole problem obviously, we need higher taxes for the rich, higher minimum wage, better safety net, etc. but having them here enables the rich to exploit our poor and until we get rid of them or go after the employers that situation won't change.
Legalizing them will only make it worse because 1) employers will then be able to hire them completely free of any legal ramifications, 2) the American workers won't be competing against just 10 million of them but 15-20 million (or higher) when the millions south of our border realize we are giving out citizenship to those who come here.
As for your old Chamber of Commerce lie of "jobs that Americans won't do", of course Americans won't do those jobs, that don't pay a living wage. If I tried to make a living off of those jobs with ridiculously low wages, no benefits and no stability I would be homeless in 3 months.
I don't understand how you can be so obvious to the negative impact”
Nick Kelsier on Feb 3, 2014 at 11:19:52
“To quote: As for your old Chamber of Commerce lie of "jobs that Americans won't do", of course Americans won't do those jobs, that don't pay a living wage. If I tried to make a living off of those jobs with ridiculously low wages, no benefits and no stability I would be homeless in 3 months.
Yeah if you think I'm getting that one from the CoC then you have no clue about me. I'm getting that from being part of a family that farmed for 150+ years. In other words, I'm getting that from the fact that when it comes to such things as agricultural work..I'm an expert and you're not. Have you worked one day in a field?
And considering the GOP flat out refuses to force companies to pay a living wage anyways your argument is silly.
To quote: I don't understand how you can be so obvious to the negative impact
Funny..I could say the same thing about your OBLIVIOUSNESS regarding the fact that getting rid of 15 million people who contribute quite a lot to the economy and would contribute more if they didn't have to evade the system would have a very large negative impact..especially on the economy. And that statement is far more honest then what you said about me. When Alabama did what you want their agricultural sector damn well nearly collapsed. And you want to pretend there'd be a different reaction if the entire nation did it? Oh please.”
Nick Kelsier on Feb 3, 2014 at 11:14:24
“Well first off..the GOP will never allow a crackdown on employers. Secondly..again..most americans will not take the types of jobs that illegals do.
To quote: You want to ignore the impact these people have on jobs and wages of the lower class and focus all of your anger on the "job creators" (who I also view with disgust and contempt) but these people are the reason that the 1% are able to take it to the American working class so badly.
No..they're just the scapegoat. The real reason is this letting the "job creators" buy off the government. You just want to focus your anger on the, to be blunt, on the latinos.
To quote: Legalizing them will only make it worse because 1) employers will then be able to hire them completely free of any legal ramifications
And yet they'll have to pay them better which will prevent the "job creators" from using them to drive down the wages of others.
To quote: be competing against just 10 million of them but 15-20 million (or higher) when the millions south of our border realize we are giving out citizenship to those who come here.
So..whoever said the plan didn't include securing the border? Know anything about the plan that was floated in the Senate last year? Care to guess what it's primary requirement was before any pathway to citizenship would be granted?”
“I can't understand how people who talk a good game about helping the working poor can at the same time be in support of these reforms. These people compete directly against the working poor and because of either Republican or Democrats refusal to deport big business has taken advantage of the opportunity and has hammered the lower class with high unemployment, stagnant wages and terrible insecurity.
I feel bad for the people coming here, but I feel responsible for the poor people who are here legally and want to help them over some line jumper. We have plenty of poor, uneducated and needy people, we don't need anymore. Send them home.”
Anon Huffy on Feb 2, 2014 at 23:01:15
“Sadly, many Americans don't see it that way. On one thread they say there are no jobs for the unemployed, and on the other they say that illegals only take jobs Americans won't do. Americans will do any job for a fair wage.
We'll never be able to help those in poverty if we saturate the job market. We're exporting jobs, and importing people.”
“I don't want them here, I want to send them back where they have come from, which I think can be done by going after the employers. Their presence is killing the American working class. If we can get rid of them we can give the lower working class a chance, otherwise the competition with the illegals is devastating them. I don't blame the illegals, but having them here during a period of high unemployment is hurting millions of Americans.”
Nick Kelsier on Feb 2, 2014 at 21:39:11
“well you're not going to be able to deport that many people and yet you think you're operating on common sense? Plus even if you could deport that many people..you'd do a hell of a lot of damage to the economy in the process.
You're not operating out of any common sense..you're operating out of fantasy wish fulfillment.
To quote: Their presence is killing the American working class.
No..the greed of the corporations, the so called "job creators" and their minions in our government is what's killing the American working class. The illegal immigrants are just the people those people I listed tell people like you in order to distract you from the real problem. Since you can't deport them all and since letting them remain illegal allows companies to use them to suppress the wages of legal unskilled workers....why don't you bother to wake up and think that one through?
To quote: If we can get rid of them we can give the lower working class a chance
I refer you to my other post where I mentioned Alabama and the fact that most americans don't want to do the jobs that illegals do. Have you ever stepped foot in a field? have you ever done any field work?
So can you at least be honest enough to stop thinking you're operating out of any sort of common sense here?”
“So since we don't want Americans working for extremely low wages we bring in others to work those extremely low wages? Isn't it possible that those jobs that pay little do so because they can hire illegals for less then minimum wage as opposed to paying legal Americans the minimum wage? Are you saying that increasing the labor pool with Amnesty will somehow result in higher wages?”
“If we give them Amnesty they will come out of the under the table economy and began to compete directly with legal Americans. I don't see that as being a good thing for the American worker, especially during a time of high unemployment.”