miles120's Comments (92)
Stop Teabagging Jay Nordlinger -- He Has Enough Problems
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 15:23:01 in Media
“Oh no, let it catch on. Then we can reference this wonderful post when we're laughing hysterically at the nouveau tea-partiers.
And Bill Buckley had a wonderful smile? Gross.”
And Bill Buckley had a wonderful smile? Gross.”
Pyfagorus replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 19:12:38
“"When you have been smiled at by Bill Buckley... You have been well and truly smiled at."
Has there ever been a more ridiculous sentence composed in the English language?”
Has there ever been a more ridiculous sentence composed in the English language?”
NickGranite replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 17:44:15
“Delightful. You can snigger like little girls at the neanderthals.”
Conservatives Want Republican Purge Trials
Commented Dec 03, 2009 at 07:41:44 in Politics
“I find it interesting that, as the GOP has aligned itself with the Christian Conservatives - a move which forced them to cobble together an arbitrary and sometimes contradictory set of fundamental principles - a persecution theme has arisen in their talking points. They are the protectors of Liberty and Truth, assailed from all sides by the liberal media, academia, immigrants, the poor. I'm suspicious that is a by-product of the alliance. It also makes me wonder if the GOP can ever view itself as a majority party while it accepts this perspective.”
Sarah Palin Tells Rush Limbaugh the Magic Word
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 18:27:40 in Politics
“I'd really love to read what Mencken or Twain would write today. I can't help but watch Washington and see Senator Dilworthy everywhere.”
Freesia2 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 18:49:14
“Oh wouldn't that be great? Mencken and Twain would be having a blast with Palin.”
The Ugly Underbelly of Facebook and Twitter
Commented Oct 30, 2009 at 13:04:13 in Technology
“Thanks for the response; I appreciate the time. I guess - being one who doesn't identify strongly with a political ideology - I've always been one to grab whatever tool is useful at the time. That puts me at odds with half of the participants, although it's impossible to say which half. Still it would be far less frustrating and more intellectually stimulating if we could get past the big/small government argument and talk about why CQI is so difficult to implement (just as an example - I don't want to get hung up on CQI.) To reference the Senator Coburn clip on your website, the idea of 88 more government programs doesn't even begin to resonate with me, because there is no argument made about their merit. Frankly, this country might desperately NEED 88 more government programs.
Sorry for the ramble, but this kind of relates to your post (or I'm going to make the connection anyway): electronic communication, and more specifically social networking, has enabled civic discussion far beyond what was possible ten years ago, but the moderators of that discussion are working hard to keep most of the participants ill-prepared. I am optimistic that if intellectual leaders engaged the public in a more respectful manner, there would be more people who could argue for the merits of a plan, not just pick a side and cheer.
That's all for now! Hopefully HP will take the whole comment.”
Sorry for the ramble, but this kind of relates to your post (or I'm going to make the connection anyway): electronic communication, and more specifically social networking, has enabled civic discussion far beyond what was possible ten years ago, but the moderators of that discussion are working hard to keep most of the participants ill-prepared. I am optimistic that if intellectual leaders engaged the public in a more respectful manner, there would be more people who could argue for the merits of a plan, not just pick a side and cheer.
That's all for now! Hopefully HP will take the whole comment.”
hp blogger Michael D. Brown replied on Oct 30, 2009 at 15:50:15
“One thing is certain - the big/small dichotomy does stymie much of the dialogue. I you talked to a lot of the people on the "inside" I think you'd hear the same refrain - it's difficult under the present structure to make many changes. Until that structure is changed, the natural tendency is to frame everything in a big/small context. Frankly, just taking the existing programs and trying to frame them in an efficient/dysfunctional or efficient/nonefficient context would be more helpful.
Alas, we were at one time talking about the lack of civility in the dialogue on Facebook and Twitter. We've just proven that at least in this case, I'm wrong!”
Alas, we were at one time talking about the lack of civility in the dialogue on Facebook and Twitter. We've just proven that at least in this case, I'm wrong!”
The Ugly Underbelly of Facebook and Twitter
Commented Oct 30, 2009 at 08:22:52 in Technology
“I have to admit that it wasn't until I visited your website that I realized who you are. I did read a couple of pages and found a definitive style and message. Because of that, I want to ask a question that has never been answered for me:
If conservatives believe with such fervor that government is less effective than the private sector, why do they bother to enter public life? It often seems that their sole purpose is to to a mediocre job, or sabotage things so that they don't work. If CQI is admirable in a private company, why aren't best practices like those embraced in government?”
If conservatives believe with such fervor that government is less effective than the private sector, why do they bother to enter public life? It often seems that their sole purpose is to to a mediocre job, or sabotage things so that they don't work. If CQI is admirable in a private company, why aren't best practices like those embraced in government?”
From John Birchers to Birthers
Commented Oct 22, 2009 at 09:04:38 in Politics
“Certainly there are tremendous benefits of modern media and information dissemination. There are also dark consequences. These are more obvious today, as we transition from broadcasted, mass media (network television, daily newspapers, magazines) to targeted, electronic media (blogs, cable, forums) which cater to the predilections of the consumer. In a sense, I believe we're entering an era more like the early days of our country, when pamphlets and newspapers were varied and ubiquitous. Now it's just a matter of picking what appeals to you. Some of this will be illuminating, while some of it will be paranoid in nature.”
From John Birchers to Birthers
Commented Oct 21, 2009 at 15:20:49 in Politics
“I wonder if technology and message innovation have simply enhanced the creation of paranoia. What was once a fringe movement is now more deftly manipulated. Which is ironic considering the conspiracy theorists' aversion to manipulation.”
steel71 replied on Oct 21, 2009 at 20:59:31
“What do you consider corporate media?”
Why Joe Biden Should Resign
Commented Oct 15, 2009 at 08:48:45 in World
“Arianna, I think this was a Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot column for you. I often enjoy your writing, but Joe Biden's counterpoint is exactly what we need. His credibility would be diminished if he resigned, despite the melodrama it would briefly unleash. By the time the first op-ed hit the NYT, we'd all be over him.
After Bush II, I longed for a government that could act with rationality and deliberation. We finally got that. The trick is to not look at every statement under the microscope, because you fail to grasp the bigger picture. That may be hard for a news organization in the current age, but it's necessary. This story hasn't begun to come into focus.”
After Bush II, I longed for a government that could act with rationality and deliberation. We finally got that. The trick is to not look at every statement under the microscope, because you fail to grasp the bigger picture. That may be hard for a news organization in the current age, but it's necessary. This story hasn't begun to come into focus.”
Manchesterian replied on Oct 15, 2009 at 09:09:23
“Amen to that!”
sjvl replied on Oct 15, 2009 at 08:56:27
“Agreed.”
Woodstock Film Fest -- William Kunstler
Commented Oct 12, 2009 at 08:29:09 in New York
“I'm looking forward to the film. Stories with ambiguity are always more interesting. It's coming to Chicago in late January (the 22nd, I believe.)”
Health Care and the 'Predator State'
Commented Oct 08, 2009 at 18:13:22 in Politics
“Honestly, I believe the Republicans are being very astute about this tactic, unless it was a complete random stumble onto Dr. Galbraith's book (which I doubt.) By co-opting his phrase, they take ownership of it. They know that the electorate won't bother to understand the argument that Galbraith makes. Instead, the Republicans will simply prevent message strategists on the left from using the predation concept.
This isn't about an honest debate of ideas. It is about mass marketing principles.”
This isn't about an honest debate of ideas. It is about mass marketing principles.”
An Open Letter from Meg Whitman About Voting
Commented Oct 07, 2009 at 07:40:44 in Politics
“That is the most authoritarian statement I've heard in a long time.”
An Open Letter from Meg Whitman About Voting
Commented Oct 06, 2009 at 13:41:10 in Politics
“Chris, this gubernatorial race would be off my radar, if it weren't for your fabulously entertaining chronicle. Thanks for bringing it to me!”
Joe Scarborough Shows Yet Again Why He Could Be President Someday
Commented Oct 05, 2009 at 07:51:36 in Politics
“I'm one Independent who is tired of handicapping the horse race 3-1/2 years before the election. Who cares? It seems to me that Joe Scarborough's shallow grasp of policy would be enough to disqualify him. Oh, I guess that's not important anymore.
Isn't it sad that not cheering for the failure of your country qualifies you to be it's leader? Wow.”
Isn't it sad that not cheering for the failure of your country qualifies you to be it's leader? Wow.”
DestinationsUnknown replied on Oct 05, 2009 at 07:56:47
“sure is
look who has #1 book on Amazon and Borders and it is not even out!
Pitiful- just pitiful!”
look who has #1 book on Amazon and Borders and it is not even out!
Pitiful- just pitiful!”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 23, 2009 at 08:11:17 in Business
“Why do people always have to resort to name-calling? You have linked me (and Michael Moore) with a group of misbehaving people (which is totally unjustified) and make me compelled to argue the point further simply because you don't get it. It's annoying.
Capitalism has been an effective system for two reasons: it distributes goods and services freely and [mostly] efficiently; it doesn't require a central authority which makes errors in judgment and eliminates freedom by consolidating authority. What I pointed out in my first post was that: it is not self-sustaining if left unregulated; and there is nothing inherently moral within it (I would argue that there is no place for morality in capitalism; the morality should be imposed upon it.) Regulation addresses both those issues. Systems other than capitalism limit consumer choice by placing decision-making control in the hands of a few. How is that liberating?
Please point out where my "selfishness" lies in that reasoning? Aren't you simply condemning the entire system because of a few bad actors? Don't you simply want to implement the system of your choice? And won't you be surprised to find out that the rest of us don't think you're smart enough to make decisions for us?”
Capitalism has been an effective system for two reasons: it distributes goods and services freely and [mostly] efficiently; it doesn't require a central authority which makes errors in judgment and eliminates freedom by consolidating authority. What I pointed out in my first post was that: it is not self-sustaining if left unregulated; and there is nothing inherently moral within it (I would argue that there is no place for morality in capitalism; the morality should be imposed upon it.) Regulation addresses both those issues. Systems other than capitalism limit consumer choice by placing decision-making control in the hands of a few. How is that liberating?
Please point out where my "selfishness" lies in that reasoning? Aren't you simply condemning the entire system because of a few bad actors? Don't you simply want to implement the system of your choice? And won't you be surprised to find out that the rest of us don't think you're smart enough to make decisions for us?”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 22, 2009 at 00:01:40 in Business
“Actually, your juxtaposition is totally irrelevant. There are huge differences between being capitalist and communist; it's much more than semantics. Yes, capitalism is about making money, that is why I qualified my statement by requiring regulation in order to make it work efficiently. Did you not understand that?
Consider "The Road to Serfdom" for a systematic linking between freedom and capitalism. Liberals and conservatives alike can accept Hayek for what he is really saying...”
Consider "The Road to Serfdom" for a systematic linking between freedom and capitalism. Liberals and conservatives alike can accept Hayek for what he is really saying...”
dobberdoss replied on Sep 24, 2009 at 04:35:53
“Name calling? didn't know calling someone "selfish" was name calling! I thought it was more of an "observation" or "objective"(descriptive word) which clearly hit a nerve.”
dobberdoss replied on Sep 23, 2009 at 03:22:20
“By the way I was not comparing the systems, only your logic”
dobberdoss replied on Sep 23, 2009 at 03:21:05
“What you did was "justify the ends to make the means" without thought of anyone else in this world who "capitalism" exploit! It's called being "selfish"”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 21, 2009 at 19:39:09 in Business
“There's nothing wrong with being a capitalist; it is one of the finest economic systems we have imagined to date. The problem comes from assuming that you can let it go unchecked and unregulated, and still get the most out of it.
Would you drive a car without maintenance and expect it not to break down?”
Would you drive a car without maintenance and expect it not to break down?”
dobberdoss replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:52:28
“There's nothing wrong with being a capitalist? That's like saying "there's nothing wrong with 'communism". The basic principle of "Capitalism" is to make money above all else. The system worked AND failed, not due to just policy but also "theory". Is 'money' the most important thing is life? NO , Does 'capitalism' in theory take that into account ? NO. We need a total rethink on what life is about and what success REALLY is”
MoreDimensions replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:41:34
“Yes, if you had roads and highways but no traffic laws would it be safe.”
Barack Obama Must See Michael Moore's New Movie (and So Must You)!
Commented Sep 21, 2009 at 19:31:50 in Business
“There is a flip-side to Adam Smith and Friedrich Hayek that conservatives conveniently fail to mention: both authors realized that the only way equilibrium - and hence a fair, free marketplace - could be maintained is through fair regulation. Not a lack of regulation that benefits corporations already established, but simple, straightforward regulation that creates a level playing field and provides transparency for the consumer. Those aren't leftist ideals, those are the ideals of the godfathers of conservative economic thought.”
blueskybigstar replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 20:03:44
“well said. fanned.”
Elle Bach replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:51:41
“The truth Americans have yet to comprehend, much less embrace, is that true capitalism can not flourish without some socialistic elements. Someone has to have the discretionary income to buy all those things the capitalists have for sale. The true "failure" of Republican ideology is that the country can prosper with all the wealth in the pockets of 1% of the population. Stupid.”
dogman44 replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:50:52
“In this day and age those would be considered leftist ideals.”
TAIsabel replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:49:20
“The principle of perfect competition. It worked at one point, it is now a distant memory. I was glad to hear President Obama today, in Pittsbirgh, mention how very important small businesses are to an economy.
It is like a textlile.....if it is made of many threads, tighly woven, it is more likely to survive a tear and hadle a small repair. A textile with few, large, loose threads will unravel.”
It is like a textlile.....if it is made of many threads, tighly woven, it is more likely to survive a tear and hadle a small repair. A textile with few, large, loose threads will unravel.”
TheWestLA-Banned replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:40:54
“The problem with the republicans is that they ran all of the real conservatives out of their party in favor of ideologues.”
BertrandRussell replied on Sep 21, 2009 at 19:38:56
“Thank you for reminding us of that very important fact. It is so often forgotten.”
Jason Linkins Discusses Czars On MSNBC: "Nothing To Do With Russian Imperialism"
Commented Sep 17, 2009 at 18:39:51 in Politics
“It's a shame that all of these conservatives who are so concerned about checks and balances were silent when our previous President was trashing the Constitution and refusing to testify in front of Congress. We could have really used their voices then.”
The Left Should Reclaim 'Freedom'
Commented Sep 16, 2009 at 18:01:27 in Politics
“Just because you are allowed to carry a gun doesn't mean your Republican President won't tap your phone, data mine your e-mail and internet history and whisk you off to an undisclosed location where you'll be denied due process and interrogated using techniques deemed illegal by international treaty. But other than that, the Right is all about freedom.”
EmmaJ76 replied on Sep 18, 2009 at 07:18:43
“Well said Miles. PATRIOT Act seems to have been quickly forgotten by the right.”
laocoon replied on Sep 16, 2009 at 19:31:03
“or that you wont have to cut off your nose to spite your face if the job market is sh*t and that is the look your employer wants.”
The Obama School "Controversy": Has America Gone Completely Insane, or Just Plain Racist?
Commented Sep 06, 2009 at 13:47:42 in Politics
“That's really laughable. But I'm hoping to provoke yet another psychotic rationalization that will amuse me throughout the day.
I understand that the content of the speech is irrelevant because, like I said earlier, you're willing to betray your country over a disagreement with policy agenda. As we've all witnessed since January 20, the radical right is opposed to everything the current administration does.
To paraphrase Zbigniew Brzezinski, your grasp of economic theory is stunningly superficial. You probably worship Ayn Rand, don't you?
And just in case you haven't notice, men like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington rebelled against an absolutist monarch. As such, they realized they would be killed if they lost the struggle. Today you live in a representative democracy that demands your orderly participation in civic affairs. That's what it means to be American. You're not being oppressed, you're just miffed because you're not in power.
I bet you have an "America - Love It Or Leave It" bumper sticker.”
I understand that the content of the speech is irrelevant because, like I said earlier, you're willing to betray your country over a disagreement with policy agenda. As we've all witnessed since January 20, the radical right is opposed to everything the current administration does.
To paraphrase Zbigniew Brzezinski, your grasp of economic theory is stunningly superficial. You probably worship Ayn Rand, don't you?
And just in case you haven't notice, men like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington rebelled against an absolutist monarch. As such, they realized they would be killed if they lost the struggle. Today you live in a representative democracy that demands your orderly participation in civic affairs. That's what it means to be American. You're not being oppressed, you're just miffed because you're not in power.
I bet you have an "America - Love It Or Leave It" bumper sticker.”
The Obama School "Controversy": Has America Gone Completely Insane, or Just Plain Racist?
Commented Sep 05, 2009 at 19:42:49 in Politics
“Activist President? Is that the best you can do? You haven't even heard the talk, and already you've fantasized a doomsday scenario.
Socialism is control of the means of production and distribution in an economy by the community at large. The use of that term in the United States is simply preposterous. And don't fool yourself into believing that there aren't plenty of people who will gladly debate this point on an intellectual level. Even Hayek and Smith recognized that unchecked capitalism would yield undesirable results. Hayek wrote at length that private interests seek to create an unfair advantage, or uneven playing field, and this would be detrimental to the economy as a whole. The only Hayek-quoting ideologues who argue for total deregulation haven't read his book.
Finally, Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution states, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."”
Socialism is control of the means of production and distribution in an economy by the community at large. The use of that term in the United States is simply preposterous. And don't fool yourself into believing that there aren't plenty of people who will gladly debate this point on an intellectual level. Even Hayek and Smith recognized that unchecked capitalism would yield undesirable results. Hayek wrote at length that private interests seek to create an unfair advantage, or uneven playing field, and this would be detrimental to the economy as a whole. The only Hayek-quoting ideologues who argue for total deregulation haven't read his book.
Finally, Article 3 Section 3 of the Constitution states, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort."”
RUKidding0 replied on Sep 05, 2009 at 21:13:03
“1 The address itself is irrelevant. After the uproar only a fool would say anything controversial. The issue that parents objected to is the Ed. Dept.'s study guide and lesson plan which implied that there would be something for students to "help" with - something that these parents would likely find objectionable.
2 re-read 2 above. Just because socialism has degenerated into social-democracy doesn't dilute its attack on freedom. Moreover, capitalism, like democracy, is merely a tool useful for the preservation of freedom. When and to the extent that it fails in this, it is just as expendable in whole or part. More specifically, rent seekers are expendable, whether capitalists or socialists.
3 the notion that a free people need be bound to a nation flies in the face of our nation's founding. The notion that social-democracy can require that unwilling Americans continue to fund their utopian asperations is, in itself, unAmerican and, one way or another, will not stand. I'm sure that I needn't remind you of our founding fathers views on the subject. "When in the course of human events ..."”
2 re-read 2 above. Just because socialism has degenerated into social-democracy doesn't dilute its attack on freedom. Moreover, capitalism, like democracy, is merely a tool useful for the preservation of freedom. When and to the extent that it fails in this, it is just as expendable in whole or part. More specifically, rent seekers are expendable, whether capitalists or socialists.
3 the notion that a free people need be bound to a nation flies in the face of our nation's founding. The notion that social-democracy can require that unwilling Americans continue to fund their utopian asperations is, in itself, unAmerican and, one way or another, will not stand. I'm sure that I needn't remind you of our founding fathers views on the subject. "When in the course of human events ..."”
The Obama School "Controversy": Has America Gone Completely Insane, or Just Plain Racist?
Commented Sep 05, 2009 at 15:25:03 in Politics
“There is no politically-suspect plan. Asking kids to think about "ways they can help the President" is called collaborating, projecting, or envisioning. It is a way to make young children cognizant of how they can become someone who participates in a government of "We The People." It is a practical call to action that is far more effective than wagging your finger and saying, "study harder."
Would you please stop using the term "socialist"? Regardless of what Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are saying, its use is improper. From the points made in your second paragraph, it is apparent that the only irrational fear is your own. The tactic of vilifying professional people who are striving to excel in our society is a lazy, paranoid populist characteristic that does nothing to improve our civil discourse or society as a whole.
There is considerable discussion on the right about another civil war. Please explain to me the lack of introspection one needs to simultaneously believe that, in order to uphold the Constitution one must commit treason against it? The reason you don't believe that the country is united is that you have become completely unhinged from reality. The fact of the matter is, you are willing to denigrate your country because you don't agree with someone else's opinion. That's disgraceful.”
Would you please stop using the term "socialist"? Regardless of what Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity are saying, its use is improper. From the points made in your second paragraph, it is apparent that the only irrational fear is your own. The tactic of vilifying professional people who are striving to excel in our society is a lazy, paranoid populist characteristic that does nothing to improve our civil discourse or society as a whole.
There is considerable discussion on the right about another civil war. Please explain to me the lack of introspection one needs to simultaneously believe that, in order to uphold the Constitution one must commit treason against it? The reason you don't believe that the country is united is that you have become completely unhinged from reality. The fact of the matter is, you are willing to denigrate your country because you don't agree with someone else's opinion. That's disgraceful.”
RUKidding0 replied on Sep 05, 2009 at 19:14:21
“1 “calling” pre-K through elementary school children “to action” to “help” an activist president smacks of propagandizing and attempted indoctrination of innocents who take what their teachers say at face value. Recognition of this transparent fact by parents forced withdrawal of the “study guide” and “lesson plan”, probably leaving us with the benign address it should have been from the beginning.
2 you may not like the term “socialist”, but it bluntly illustrates the Euro-social-democratic direction Obama and Democrats are taking America, a direction the left lacks the guts to admit. The only difference between socialists and social-democrats is that the latter realize that a century of failure has demonstrated that socialism can only survive as a leech on capitalism in the form of social democracy. This fact strikes unquenchable fear deep in the souls of social democrats, forcing them into a need/hate relationship with their meal tickets - one they cannot afford to risk giving up.
3 precisely because socialism cannot survive on its own, its proponents will resist separation of America into two separate countries. This refusal to grant freedom to those who demand it will precipitate any civil war that may arise. While those of us who value freedom are more than willing to grant our socialists the freedom to live under their chosen ideology, social-democrats cannot allow us the same freedom.”
2 you may not like the term “socialist”, but it bluntly illustrates the Euro-social-democratic direction Obama and Democrats are taking America, a direction the left lacks the guts to admit. The only difference between socialists and social-democrats is that the latter realize that a century of failure has demonstrated that socialism can only survive as a leech on capitalism in the form of social democracy. This fact strikes unquenchable fear deep in the souls of social democrats, forcing them into a need/hate relationship with their meal tickets - one they cannot afford to risk giving up.
3 precisely because socialism cannot survive on its own, its proponents will resist separation of America into two separate countries. This refusal to grant freedom to those who demand it will precipitate any civil war that may arise. While those of us who value freedom are more than willing to grant our socialists the freedom to live under their chosen ideology, social-democrats cannot allow us the same freedom.”
Change, Not a Restoration: The Death of Conservatism and Rebirth of Reform
Commented Sep 03, 2009 at 07:39:14 in Politics
“Doesn't anyone own a dictionary? Socialism is the ownership of production means and distribution by the community as a whole. Healthcare absolutely cannot be described by that definition, now or under HR3200.
Why isn't anyone screaming about the "socialism" of homeowners insurance?”
Why isn't anyone screaming about the "socialism" of homeowners insurance?”
Why Democrats Are Losing on Health Care
Commented Sep 02, 2009 at 13:36:09 in Home
“I like to invoke the beliefs of my hero Benjamin Franklin whenever my conservative friends talk about being self-made, and therefore not deserving to be burdened by taxes and such. Even Franklin, who began his adult life with nothing more than a hard roll in his pocket (as the story goes), eventually becoming one of the wealthiest men in the world, realized that many of his accomplishments were predicated on the economic and societal structures built by his predecessors. Regardless of his abilities and industry, he realized that his success was enabled by those around him. Upon his death, the bulk of his fortune was placed in trust to provide that same assistance to those who followed.
It seems to me that we either want to live in an advanced society or we don't. Maybe that's a question that the Democrats should be asking.”
It seems to me that we either want to live in an advanced society or we don't. Maybe that's a question that the Democrats should be asking.”


