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The Truth About Salt And Your Body

The Truth About Salt And Your Body

Commented Nov 14, 2013 at 09:05:09 in OWN

“What Paul doesn't say is that there is not a population in the world that consumes 2300 mg or less of sodium per day, regerdless of location, cultural differences, state of economic development and level of processed foods in the diet. The only exception are the primitive rainforest dwellers that have a low life expectency and die with sky high levels of plasma renin.”

ohgoodgrief99 on Nov 14, 2013 at 13:36:02

“I consume less than that. I don't eat processed foods or restaurant/fast foods. I use a good quality salt--not processed table salt.”

canoecaper on Nov 14, 2013 at 10:29:36

“Ok guys, facts please.
How it it measured.”
Too Much Salt? 5 Simple Ways To Slash The White Stuff From Your Diet

Too Much Salt? 5 Simple Ways To Slash The White Stuff From Your Diet

Commented Sep 12, 2013 at 13:03:53 in Fifty

“Please bear in mind that the IOM report also stated that the current sodium recommendations were NOT based on any dose response evidence, but were arbitrarily arrived at. For more that a decade, the IOM position was driven by individuals whose singular concern was the surrogate measure of blood pressure, not overall health outcomes. If you cut salt decrease your blood pressure by 2 points and at the same time induce insulin resistance, you are not ahead - you are at greater risk. Hence the higher rates of morbidity and mortality found with reduced sodium intake. The IOM Dietary Reference Intakes (DRIs) on sodium were chaired by a hypertension-focused individual. It was the job of the Dietary Guidelines to evaluate the DRIs and the IOM selected the VERY SAME INDIVIDUAL to evaluate his own recommendations - on two succeeding occasions! How objective is that? I am not particularly surprised at the response of the IOM President.”

gratnam on Sep 12, 2013 at 13:06:07

“Looks like you want it both ways. Endorse but not. Doesn't work.”
Too Much Salt? 5 Simple Ways To Slash The White Stuff From Your Diet

Too Much Salt? 5 Simple Ways To Slash The White Stuff From Your Diet

Commented Sep 12, 2013 at 09:54:59 in Fifty

“Articles like this are common and characterized by quoting studies that support salt reduction but omitting the evidence that cautions against it. This article does nothing more than spread myth-information. (Harvard study was on cultured cells uncontrolled for high sodium environment. Human cells in are in a controlled environment because we have kidneys!)

What the author totally neglects is the May 14, 2013 Institute of Medicine report that states the low levels of sodium recommended by the Dietary Guidelines are of no benefit and may even be harmful. A more recent study in the American Journal of Hypertension, by McCarron et al, demonstrated that our sodium intakes are not determined by policy, media advice (like this article) or even the foods we eat, because everyone’s intakes around the world fall into the same narrow range, driven by our natural salt appetite. Because your salt appetite is stable, if the food you eat is significantly reduced in salt, two things will happen. Either you will personally take up the shaker and add salt to your food or you will eat more food to get at the little sodium it contains. That’s why, over the past ten years, the food industry has cut its salt content by 10-30%, but our sodium levels still remain the same – a good deal for the food industry – a bad deal for the obesity epidemic.

Reporters should do a bit more investigating.”

gratnam on Sep 12, 2013 at 12:31:25

“You should look further also. The Institute of Medicine issued this statement: The president of the Institute of Medicine said that "some press coverage misstated" the conclusions of the organization's recent report on sodium intake and health outcomes. In an unusual letter to Secretary of Health and Human Services Kathleen Sebelius, IOM president Harvey V. Fineberg wrote that "the evidence linking sodium intake to health outcomes supports current efforts by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other authoritative bodies to reduce sodium intake in the U.S. population below the current average adult intake of 3,400 mg per day."”
Healthy Aging: 10 Tips For Growing Old Gracefully

Healthy Aging: 10 Tips For Growing Old Gracefully

Commented Aug 19, 2013 at 11:01:14 in Fifty

“The advice to reduce salt is an urban myth. All clinical studies have shown that older people begin to suffer from dehydration when they cut back on salt consumption. European medical studies (Renneboog et al) demonstrated increased unsteadiness, falls and loss of cognition when insufficient salt was consumed by senior citizens. That is why the rate of broken hips, etc. in assisted living facilities (where low salt diets are the norm) run 2 - 3 times higher than for seniors living at home. We have to manage our lives based on actual clinical evidence and not public misinformation. It's time to bring the lawyers in!”
27 Mistakes Healthy People Make

27 Mistakes Healthy People Make

Commented Aug 28, 2012 at 09:00:49 in Healthy Living

“1 Mistake Healthy People Make

The biggest single mistake healthy people make is believing what the food pundits and talking heads say. There are no magic bullets nor are their instant and dramatic ways to achieve health. Health is not a single food or lifestyle issue. It is a balance that most consumers are already aware of. Exercise more, don't overeat, and everything in moderation. Eating organic bean sprouts for lunch while looking at TV doctor or health specialist on the monitor will not make you healthier. Don't forget that all these people, including the consumer advocates, have made a very good income diverting you from a balanced outlook. Have confidence to believe in your own intelligence and ability do discern hype from reality. CNN was a great success, but the 24 hour news cycle has spawned a million cancer cures, miracle foods and weight loss regimes with few minutes of fame never to be heard of again. They have contributes nothing to your health or your knowledge. Any information really worthwhile takes more than 30 seconds to broadcast.”

Ladyrain7 on Aug 28, 2012 at 09:32:10

“This is the key right here..what u said..that "it is a balance that most consumers are aware of."...The problem that knowing and doing are two very different issues. One must learn to apply and DO what one is learning how to implement it over the long term that is challenging for most.”
Recent Controversy Over Reducing Sodium Intake

Recent Controversy Over Reducing Sodium Intake

Commented Sep 2, 2013 at 13:09:57 in Healthy Living

“The methodology described in the University of Virginia paper is only a start. Ultimately a rapid genetic test will indicate individuals who are salt sensitive and should reduce their salt. The point was that the remainder of the population will not have to follow suit. I made no mention of an ideal level of dietary sodium for any population as there is none - certainly not the DRIs of 2,300 and 1,500 mg sodium per day, both of which have no basis in dose response evidence for health outcomes regardless of their broad adoption. Since you are not averse to shifting focus and as you mentioned gluten, you may wish to read the paper for the original production of gluten-free foods (New Scientist, 28 April 1988). If you are interested in the original introduction of natural fiber (1975) or folic acid to commercial food products(1977) please post a request and I'll be happy to post them. There are some of us who actually produce things other than rhetoric.”
Recent Controversy Over Reducing Sodium Intake

Recent Controversy Over Reducing Sodium Intake

Commented Aug 30, 2013 at 10:08:59 in Healthy Living

“Perhaps the good doctor should do a bit more reading on salt sensitivity. If he did, he might discover the recent University of Virginia publication; "A linear relationship between the ex-vivo sodium mediated expression of two sodium regulatory pathways as a surrogate marker of salt sensitivity of blood pressure in exfoliated human renal proximal tubule cells: the virtual renal biopsy." by Gildea et al published in Clin Chim Acta. 2013 Jun 5;421:236-42. This new, rapid and simple non-invasive test for salt sensitivity will immediately point out those individuals who have to watch their salt intake. Everyone else can enjoy their food to their personal taste and and will very likely consume more vegetables and salads, as they do in the traditional (highly salted) diets of the Mediterranean region. And for once we can start focusing on whole foods in whole meals as part of a whole lifestyle (including exercise) rather than the inane practice of focusing on individual elements of a single food.”

h lance on Sep 1, 2013 at 11:11:33

“The single article you cite documents a research level test, possibly although not necessarily one that can be adapted for the clinical lab, that serves as a surrogate for for sodium/blood pressure sensitivity. The article does NOT address the question of whether or not there is some ideal level of dietary sodium for any population, nor does it claim that there are not other methods of gaining the same information. These are not weaknesses of the article. It is a highly focused, single topic article, not a review article.

"This new, rapid and simple non-invasive test for salt sensitivity will immediately point out those individuals who have to watch their salt intake."

This over-interpretation goes well beyond the claims of the Clin Chimica Acta article.

"Everyone else can enjoy their food to their personal taste"

Everyone should try, if possible, to eat a diet that is both appropriate for their health AND enjoyable, since a diet that is not enjoyed is unlikely to be sustainable. Having said that, it is bizarre to imply that sodium is the only consideration in diet. People with celiac disease will not be advised to eat gluten, even if they are not sodium sensitive. I would strongly advise people with food allergies to avoid the foods they are allergic to. Most people find trans fats, refined sugar and other refined carbohydrates, and nitrates to their personal taste, yet there are many reasons to limit intake of these items.”
huffingtonpost entry

The Low-Down on Sodium

Commented Aug 6, 2013 at 11:48:11 in Healthy Living

“The challenge and recommendation to go on a 700mg sodium per day diet amounts to medical malpractice and I encourage anyone who assumes this diet and experiences negative health outcomes to seek legal advice. All the peer-reviewed medical evidence indicates that this level of sodium intake will result in the production of highly elevated levels of renin and aldosterone, which can result in insulin resistance, diabetes and cardiovascular disease. There is no population on earth that consumes these low levels of sodium except primitive rainforest dwellers, who all die young with sky-high renin levels.”

Alvarask on Aug 6, 2013 at 23:15:37

“I couldn't agree more. There is simply no research showing even rather high levels of salt to be dangerous for anyone other than those who are one BP point away from death anyway. Meanwhile, LOW sodium levels are a KNOWN killer! Why would anyone recommend eating so little salt that you could cause yourself harm?”

krocklin on Aug 6, 2013 at 15:13:16

“Cholesterol and salt, along with statins and dietary prohibitions like eggs, are among the many myths that cardiologists continue to perpetrate despite nearly unanimous medical studies contradicting their theories.”
huffingtonpost entry

The New York Times Bungles the Latest Salt Report

Commented Jun 21, 2013 at 08:43:31 in Healthy Living

“You're right, "I believe" and "seems to be" are statements that do not need evidence. So if you say you believe your grandmother was an alien who seems to return from Saturn every 10 years, would you consider it incorrect to ask for some type of evidence? The point is really quite simple - CSPI claims to represent science in the public's interest. Science is represented by reproducible evidence, not opinion.”
huffingtonpost entry

The New York Times Bungles the Latest Salt Report

Commented May 21, 2013 at 22:36:27 in Healthy Living

“First of all, Furman is no expert on salt or the evidence behind the impact of salt on total health outcomes. In the hospital, the average saline drip given to patients is 3 liters of 0.9% salt. That's 27 grams a day - and blood pressure is checked every 6 hours! Let Furman explain to you why 5 times the recommended amount never leads to a rise in blood pressure. If you refer to the science, then you should know a bit about it, no?”

PJarorbi on Jun 19, 2013 at 14:46:25

“Because most patients in the hospital on a 3L/day NS are on it to help raise their BP - not lower it.”
huffingtonpost entry

The New York Times Bungles the Latest Salt Report

Commented May 21, 2013 at 22:28:22 in Healthy Living

“A lot of talk, but not a shred of evidence. Take the trouble to look up the military rations for soldiers and prisoners of war for the past two centuries. They were allotted 18-20 g salt per day, double our current consumption. This is available in public military archive for those interested in doing their homework. Time release?? Where do you get this nonsense? Sodium chloride is sodium chloride. Quote one single peer-reviewed study on time-release sea salt. And, there is no standard for sea salt, so you have no idea what you're getting - it ranges from 60% - 99.999% sodium chloride. In the lower purity sea salts the non-sodium chloride portion contains all the detritus of every animal that died or fouled the sea with their waste.”

halli620 on Jun 20, 2013 at 17:08:41

“FYI, statements with "I believe" do not need to be backed up by evidence as they are not stated as fact.
(And what on earth are you talking about with the "detritus of every animal that died or fouled the sea with their waste"??? All soil is composed of "detritus" of dead plant and animal organisms. These are broken down into molecules that are taken up by plants which we then eat or feed to animals that we later eat. What on earth is your point?)”
huffingtonpost entry

The New York Times Bungles the Latest Salt Report

Commented May 21, 2013 at 17:11:00 in Healthy Living

“Jacobson shows his true vocation as a common propagandist in this article. He moans the IOM Committee found the data from low-salt diets to be "insufficient and inconsistent", yet he completely neglects to inform his readers that this data is no different from the data used to establish all the salt recommendations in the first place, including the 2,300mg sodium per day that everyone repeats. Page 20 of the IOM report states, “In establishing DRI values for sodium, the Panel on Dietary Reference Intakes for Electrolytes and Water (IOM, 2005) found insufficient evidence to derive Recommended Dietary Allowances." In other words, all the recommendations that everyone, including CSPI, repeats constantly, were NEVER based on real evidence.

The CDC (now headed by Thomas Friedan, the former New York anti-salt czar) commissioned this study in an attempt to hijack the evaluation process away from the 2015 Dietary Guidelines Advisory Committee. This Dietary Guidelines committee has been held captive by a few anti-salt zealots for more than a decade. This move was an attempt to guarantee that this situation would be perpetuated. But it backfired, because the original hand-picked IOM committee (which had 80% of the members pre-committed to salt reduction) was augmented by a few individuals that had no dog in the fight. So, for the first time in 15 years, we got fresh eyes on the data and the stranglehold that Jacobson and friends had on this issue for so long was broken.”
Confused About Salt?

Confused About Salt?

Commented Aug 8, 2012 at 16:20:50 in Healthy Living

“Jacobson has a very selective memory. The recent publication by nutritionists Bernstein and Willett (Trends in 24-h urinary sodium excretion in the US, 1957-2003) in the Am J Clin Nutr, Nov2010 demonstrates that salt intakes haven’t changed in 50 years. Yet, he states, “We're consuming more salt now than we did in 1969.”

An analysis of all statements in his article will render similar results. Jacobson doesn’t understand that his opinions don’t trump evidence. More studies published in the last three years caution AGAINST population-wide salt reduction than support it.

All the “scientists” mentioned in his article, Drs. Stamler, MacGregor, Feng He, and Jacobson himself, belong to the UK anti-salt activist group called WASH (World Action on Salt and Health). To make matters worse, all the key US anti-salt proponents also belong, including key officials at the Institute of Medicine, Dietary Guidelines Advisory Group, CDC and NIH. Intellectual attachment to one side of a scientific issue is a clear conflict of interest. It creates ideologues, not scientists. Are bureaucrats, paid to OBJECTIVLY analyze evidence, permitted to belong to activist groups heeding only one side of an issue?

The salt and health debate is a scar on the face of medical science. Taubes, the only journalist courageous enough to take on the public health mandarins, who mislead the public, is attacked for it. It’s time we dispense with the myth-information and start respecting the preponderance of evidence.”

Alvarask on Aug 10, 2012 at 00:19:20

“Excellent post. Fanned and faved!”