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Obama: Health Care Bill Moves Us 'Toward The End Of A Nearly Century-Long Struggle'
Commented Dec 25, 2009 at 00:45:02 in Politics
“Please note:
All Life and Health insurance companies employ "death panels" .
In the case of Health Insurance Companies, these folks determine the level of care which they will provide and to whom they will provide it. Insurance companies are not in the business of needlessly spending money and will avoid any expense which they can. This is the "rationed care" that you hear so much about. It happens every day. It's not something which will magically appear if health care reform takes place.
By the way, they don't refer to the people making these decisions as a "death Panel", they refer to them by their real title. These folks are known as Actuaries. All insurance companies employ Actuaries, their job is to access risk and avoid it wherever possible. This has been the case for hundreds of years, we're only hearing so much about it now because of the tragically large number of morons on the other side of the isle.”
All Life and Health insurance companies employ "death panels" .
In the case of Health Insurance Companies, these folks determine the level of care which they will provide and to whom they will provide it. Insurance companies are not in the business of needlessly spending money and will avoid any expense which they can. This is the "rationed care" that you hear so much about. It happens every day. It's not something which will magically appear if health care reform takes place.
By the way, they don't refer to the people making these decisions as a "death Panel", they refer to them by their real title. These folks are known as Actuaries. All insurance companies employ Actuaries, their job is to access risk and avoid it wherever possible. This has been the case for hundreds of years, we're only hearing so much about it now because of the tragically large number of morons on the other side of the isle.”
LARadical replied on Dec 25, 2009 at 01:06:56
“Thanks for that explanation!
Nonetheless, I am somewhat concerned. Because if I've read the ny times article correctly, it sounds as if there will be encouragement to reduce aggressive and expensive care for the elderly. This in part based on the flawed Dartmouth study, whose sample did not include patients who survived and thrived.
It sounded as if new stringent guidelines would mainly apply to elderly patients. To me, this smacks of the worst ageism. I remember how Dr. DeBakey, the famed heart surgeon, had major heart surgery himself at a very late age, and lived for many many more productive years. So, too, do many other elderly patients who have aggressive treatment.”
Nonetheless, I am somewhat concerned. Because if I've read the ny times article correctly, it sounds as if there will be encouragement to reduce aggressive and expensive care for the elderly. This in part based on the flawed Dartmouth study, whose sample did not include patients who survived and thrived.
It sounded as if new stringent guidelines would mainly apply to elderly patients. To me, this smacks of the worst ageism. I remember how Dr. DeBakey, the famed heart surgeon, had major heart surgery himself at a very late age, and lived for many many more productive years. So, too, do many other elderly patients who have aggressive treatment.”
Madoff Not Beaten Up In Prison, Hospitalized For Dizziness, High Blood Pressure
Commented Dec 24, 2009 at 14:36:39 in Business
“Peace on Earth; good will to Men.
But after this week,
Inconsistent; perhaps.
Ashamed ?
Nah, not so's you would notice.
While I probably wouldn't beat the Madoff types myself ; neither would I get in the way of someone with less scruples.
Nor would I be all that upset if some members of Bush & Co (or some AIG/Goldman honcho) were to be convicted of some traitorous act and slipped in the shower.
Foreign nationals harming Americans is one thing.
Americans intentionally harming their countrymen (as in the above examples)?
Inexcusable.”
But after this week,
Inconsistent; perhaps.
Ashamed ?
Nah, not so's you would notice.
While I probably wouldn't beat the Madoff types myself ; neither would I get in the way of someone with less scruples.
Nor would I be all that upset if some members of Bush & Co (or some AIG/Goldman honcho) were to be convicted of some traitorous act and slipped in the shower.
Foreign nationals harming Americans is one thing.
Americans intentionally harming their countrymen (as in the above examples)?
Inexcusable.”
Caller Asks GOP Senator If He Prayed 'Hard Enough' For Byrd To Die (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 23, 2009 at 12:44:12 in Politics
“I assume that you've noted this hypocrisy by fundamentalist- types before, correct?
If you haven't, you ain't been watchin' close.”
If you haven't, you ain't been watchin' close.”
Feingold: Obama Responsible For Loss Of Public Option
Commented Dec 21, 2009 at 09:19:30 in Politics
“Can't understand what all the rush is about. Pass the Public Option in reconciliation, then pass the other reforms in the traditional way.
Why is this so hard to figure out? This is pretty basic. All of Bush's tax cuts were passed this way.”
Why is this so hard to figure out? This is pretty basic. All of Bush's tax cuts were passed this way.”
LDnearthesea replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 09:46:09
“Reid is a wimp, that's why!”
SeanOcali replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 09:33:33
“It has to be the other way around. Passing a PO first with reconciliation you throw away all leverage and anger all the people opposed to it so they won't work with you.”
Raccoon1 replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 09:28:47
“It isn't about health care any more, if it ever was. It's about money and power just as it has been for as long as government (or rule) has existed.”
MoveOn.Org Comes Out Against Senate Health Care Billl
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 10:38:58 in Politics
“Any bill containing mandated enrollment without containing a Public Option or the opening of Medicare to everyone is a non-starter.
MoveOn should begin a campaign of civil disobedience. Tens of thousands of American Citizens refusing to purchase mandated coverage would be very hard to jail. If we don't have room for former Bush Administration crooks, we certainly can't find room for thousands who refuse to be ripped off by this monstrocity.
I say drop this turkey , elect a slate of pro- single payer congressmen and come back and pass single payer insurance either in the form of opening Medicare, or some other form such as Canada's system.”
MoveOn should begin a campaign of civil disobedience. Tens of thousands of American Citizens refusing to purchase mandated coverage would be very hard to jail. If we don't have room for former Bush Administration crooks, we certainly can't find room for thousands who refuse to be ripped off by this monstrocity.
I say drop this turkey , elect a slate of pro- single payer congressmen and come back and pass single payer insurance either in the form of opening Medicare, or some other form such as Canada's system.”
edejan replied on Dec 21, 2009 at 13:38:19
“Yes!!! Let's organize better and get this burden removed from our backs.”
dhinds replied on Dec 20, 2009 at 10:42:49
“With or Without MoveOn, I will not buy Health Insurance from a For-Profit entity and doubt that I could be forced to do so. Constitutional Issues are involved.”
John Kerry Breaks Out Oppo, Takes On Howard Dean For 'Kill The Bill' Comments
Commented Dec 20, 2009 at 10:25:38 in Politics
“Should this thing get passed with the mandated insurance language still in place then I think Move-on or some other advocacy group should organize citizens to refuse to buy it.”
macweenie replied on Dec 25, 2009 at 01:17:48
“An organized revolt is truly necessary against the mandate but on a personal level I refuse - I'm not buying it!”
Barney Frank Vs. The Credit Raters (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 19, 2009 at 08:27:14 in Business
“Ratings companies remind me of outfits like Flier and Upper Deck who print their cards and then set prices on how much they are "worth".
This is a big deal if Barney can pull it off.
Now, let's go after some of these banks. They desperately need to be broken up.”
This is a big deal if Barney can pull it off.
Now, let's go after some of these banks. They desperately need to be broken up.”
f252863 replied on Dec 19, 2009 at 09:25:54
“The ratings agencies are so government regulated that they are de facto government agencies. There is no competition allowed either.
So you get what you deserve, no free market, no accountability. Socialists will never learn though, they just mouth cliches based on superficial observations. If you are serious about this read the history of rating agencies.
One of the reasons the ratings were skewed was because of the implicit backing of Fannie/Freddie loans. I don't expect any statists to understand that thought, it is more popular just to yell at free enterprise.”
So you get what you deserve, no free market, no accountability. Socialists will never learn though, they just mouth cliches based on superficial observations. If you are serious about this read the history of rating agencies.
One of the reasons the ratings were skewed was because of the implicit backing of Fannie/Freddie loans. I don't expect any statists to understand that thought, it is more popular just to yell at free enterprise.”
Elizabeth Warren Nominated For 2010 MSN Butterfly Award
Commented Dec 12, 2009 at 23:58:43 in Media
“She should win some kinda award. She's about the only person working on this mess who makes any sense.”
Truffle replied on Dec 13, 2009 at 23:06:48
“She's not afraid to tell it like it is. Her and Sheila Bair.”
Trittydi replied on Dec 13, 2009 at 02:26:52
“She gets it.
*”
*”
Britain Unveils Whopping Tax On Bank Bonuses; U.S. Windfall Tax Proposal Going Nowhere
Commented Dec 09, 2009 at 18:52:28 in Business
“Hey Washington. Need a model of how oversight works?”
Sarah Palin: Tomatoes Thrown During Book Event, Police Arrest Jeremiah Wobbe
Commented Dec 08, 2009 at 14:13:28 in Politics
“This should be happening every time a former member of the bush administration goes out in public.
Why isn't it?”
Why isn't it?”
professionalcynic replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 14:33:07
“Because most people don't resort to juvenile theatrics to voice their distain for people that they disagree with.”
LMKay66 replied on Dec 08, 2009 at 14:17:23
“They don't necessarily get tomotoes thrown at them, but they do get heckled. I thought I remember hearing Rumsfeld got heckled somewhere.”
John McCain Gets Mad On Senate Floor During Health Care Debate (VIDEO)
Commented Dec 06, 2009 at 00:36:24 in Politics
“Senator McCain may not have noticed (due to the onset of senility that he exhibited in the last election), but nobody is listening to you. They also recognize the onset of said senility,”
Palin News Is Top Story For Only Two Percent Of Public, According To New Study
Commented Nov 28, 2009 at 09:51:27 in Media
“And, these results surprise only members of the Media.
Wake up, media types. Sarah is news only as comic relief.
She's a zero factor.”
Wake up, media types. Sarah is news only as comic relief.
She's a zero factor.”
Senator Debbie Stabenow Tells Benjamin French's Story During Senate Debate
Commented Nov 22, 2009 at 09:15:33 in Politics
“Truly awesome, and totally accurate. Why is it that nobody informs our Legislators about what must be a closely guarded secret.”
UncleJimbo replied on Nov 22, 2009 at 09:49:44
“Our 'Government" is owned for the most part by Corporate interests! They represent them not the American People! If they did we would have had UHC 20 Years ago!”
316,000 Bongs, Disguised As Christmas Ornaments, Seized By Customs Agents In LA
Commented Nov 21, 2009 at 08:54:02 in Business
“More inflation. Now those who have lost their homes will have to pay more for a bong.
Despicable.”
Despicable.”
Bill Moyers Retiring From Weekly Television
Commented Nov 20, 2009 at 22:58:19 in Media
“We are all much poorer because of this.
Enjoy yourself, Bill. You've earned it.”
Enjoy yourself, Bill. You've earned it.”
Nixon Tape Gap: Watergate Mystery Under Review
Commented Nov 19, 2009 at 18:07:12 in Politics
“Oh. Wouldn't that be sweet?
My second wish would be that Cheney & Rove would be sent for playmates.”
My second wish would be that Cheney & Rove would be sent for playmates.”
01202009 replied on Nov 19, 2009 at 21:38:53
“I'll pay for the soap!”
Michele Bachmann Investigation Requested By CREW
Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 09:16:53 in Politics
“I agree. I think some folks got into the "be afraid of the right- the Boogeyman will get you" mentality durring Bush (and even before, with the likes of DeLay).
It's time to start behaving like we have a majority, or something. Maybe the vote to end debate on the Judge is the beginning of a rudimentary Back Bone among Liberal Legislators.
Now, let's move on to health care reform and see if they can remember how they did it.”
It's time to start behaving like we have a majority, or something. Maybe the vote to end debate on the Judge is the beginning of a rudimentary Back Bone among Liberal Legislators.
Now, let's move on to health care reform and see if they can remember how they did it.”
Michele Bachmann Investigation Requested By CREW
Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 09:00:48 in Politics
“I believe that you are 100% correct.”
Michele Bachmann Investigation Requested By CREW
Commented Nov 18, 2009 at 08:57:50 in Politics
“I just can't believe that those Swedes are paying attention to what she says and does. The ones around here are much to practical to endorse her type of silliness.”
Melody Barnes's Semi-Endorsement Of Gay Marriage Causes Discomfort In White House
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 09:51:22 in Politics
“Yawn, zzzzzzzzzz
Doug Hoffman 'Un-Concedes' From NY-23 Special Election
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 09:33:18 in Politics
“I guess "Dancing" has run out of gas in the face of all of the facts. With nothing left except a fervent belief that he/she is right in spite of facts, dancing is now changing the subject.”
Doug Hoffman 'Un-Concedes' From NY-23 Special Election
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 09:06:42 in Politics
“Remembering the last time this sort of thing happened I think we need guards watching the guards who are watching the vote counters.”
Doug Hoffman 'Un-Concedes' From NY-23 Special Election
Commented Nov 17, 2009 at 09:01:11 in Politics
“I thought that we were told following bush's "sElection" that when Gore ended up with more votes it was too late; bush had already been sworn in.
New rules?”
New rules?”
minerva117 replied on Nov 17, 2009 at 09:04:18
“The rule is already there. IOKIYAR That is, it's ok if you are Republican. They whip this one out to cover pretty much any wacky thing that they do!”
Abortion Rights Groups Scramble In Stupak Amendment's Wake
Commented Nov 16, 2009 at 18:01:40 in Politics
“As would almost all of the "problems" and concerns in the Health Care Reform issue. People are just really, really dense.”
Woman Who Cut In Line At Walmart Could Face Prison Time In Racially Charged Incident
Commented Nov 16, 2009 at 17:55:23 in Business
“I run into that logic every day, except that it's eighth graders cutting lunch lines. Maybe Ms. Ellis hasn't yet had lunch duty and doesn't know how that stuff works.”
Alaskan99577 replied on Nov 16, 2009 at 18:26:56
“You may be on to something here, 2 weeks of lunchroom duty at the local middle school might open her eyes to the faulty logic behind "I was just joining my cousin." And the futility of caring about being at the front of the line. Whether it's mystery meat or some unnecesssary plastic object you're in line for, all you get is your mystery meat or a plastic object 45 seconds earlier. Okay, my dog is staging an intervention, I am pulling myself from the computer and going for a walk. :-)”
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