“We "side-armed wingnuts" aren't the irresponsible people committing the gun crimes in this country. It is us that the real criminals fear...along with the Loony leftists, since we exercise our constitutional rights. Having an ID is another of those rights.”
“This is a state law, not federal law. Not having ID is Vagrancy.
It should actually be a federal law enacted by the DoHD but, they are do nothings other than infringing on our rights at airports, communications, etc.”
Tyger Purr on Jul 12, 2012 at 13:09:17
“The Wikipedia summary includes a vague reference to colorado's laws requiring "written identification if available" but without the actual language of the law one must assume that "if available" does not mandate it's presence. It only requires you to show it if you have it and if you have it with you.
I have found colorado's laws on lexisnexis but see no laws against vagrancy or definition of vagrancy as applicable to other laws.”
Tyger Purr on Jul 11, 2012 at 23:43:07
“I am unable to find any reference to a Colorado state law reguarding the definition of vagrancy. Can you direct me to it or cite it.”
“Getting an ID is a very simple process and anyone that can't get to the facility to acquire said ID would surely have a problem making it to the polling location also. No rights are being infringed on by these laws, it is a necessary measure to preserve the integrity of the voting process. Those that can't make it to the polls also have an option called "Absentee Voting" if they are properly registered. How is this never mentioned in any of the 'Other' arguments.”
“Having an ID on your person is law...fact! And when Holder begins to worry about protecting the constitution, he will see that Sates have their own inalienable rights to enact their own laws. It would seem that the AG don't care about the integrity of the process, otherwise Voter ID laws this would be another Federal mandate.”
jbtex on Jul 11, 2012 at 19:04:15
There is no law that requires you to carry an ID.”
“I don't see where gun rights and voter rights are in any way connected, since I underwent extensive state and federal background checks to receive my carry permit and underwent checks before purchasing my handgun and I was required to have proper ID.
No party is trying to destroy any safety nets by requiring ID, quite the opposite. As you said, voting is a fundamental American right reserved for American Citizens only! Being on American soil doesn't confer that right to anyone here illegally, not allowed to vote due to their unlawful actions, etc. Getting an ID is a simple process. If someone can't make to the proper facilities, I don't see how they can make it to the polls. But, there is always the Absentee Ballot option available to anyone, properly registered, to mail the ballots from the comfort of home.”
“Everyone has to have proper ID. To call the Voter ID laws "suppressive" is nothing more than an attempt to perpetuate voter fraud and is divisive in nature. It's time that people got over it and move ahead as one country united.”
justalurker on Jul 11, 2012 at 15:54:21
“There are millions of people without photo IDs (9% of the voters nationwide in a recent article). I know several people without IDs and bank accounts. They have lousy part-time jobs, no benefits, and can barely keep minutes on their phone and pay rent. And the people who want to destroy the safety net (republicans) are the same ones who want to deny their right to vote, the most fundamental of all American rights. Let's tie gun rights to voter rights and make both of them easier.”
“Having a valid ID on your person is and has been law for many years. To not have an ID is called vagrancy. There is nothing suppressive in these laws, if you are not a citizen and don't feel the need to get the required Docs, then you don't deserve to vote!”
Tyger Purr on Jul 11, 2012 at 14:39:29
“There is no law in the US that requires citizens to carry an ID.”
“Just as Benjamin Franklin said, "A house divided against itself will surely fall." "
Obama and Holder playing partisan, racial and social politics are an example of their attempts to divide this country against itself.
Having a valid ID on your person is nothing new, to be without ID is considered vagrancy. There's no design in the ID voter laws meant to disenfranchise anyone, rather the design is to keep the integrity of the voting system and fight voter fraud. Many states have offered to come into the communities and offer low-cost ID's to anyone in need. Nothing further needs to be done and anyone that doesn't take advantage of this opportunity doesn't deserve an opportunity to exercise their civil right to vote. End of story!
Please email the Justice Department and ask that they stop bottle-necking the court system with nonsense, and ask that we come together to have a "Fair Election Process" this voting. The only reason for division is obvious, "Some feel as if their positions are in jeopardy."”
its miller time on Jul 11, 2012 at 15:19:21
“Did Eric Holder say he is against Voter ID...what he personally thinks is not the issue is it.
What does Obama have to do with this?
Holder is enforcing the law, the Constitution, voters rights and you seem to have a problem...is it because of who's rights are being thre.atened that they don't deserve to
be protected by the Constitution?
What is at issue are people rights and what the State feels is a valid ID to vote as oppose to other ID they require to qualify for State/Federal benefits for example. Or why a University ID is not a valid ID, etc....if the Courts are satisfied then everything is fine.
The dramatics being played out here today is laughable and very suspect.”
ivotedabsentee on Jul 11, 2012 at 14:55:42
“[Having a valid ID on your person is nothing new, to be without ID is considered vagrancy. ]
Probably not very enforceable, considering case law.
Papachristou v. Jacksonville, 405 U.S. 156 (1972),
Brown v. Texas - 443 U.S. 47 (1979)
Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352 (1983),
The Nevada Supreme Court has interpreted that “identify himself” to mean to merely state his name, in connection with Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004),”
“Game on...Those verses were from the old covenant, before Christ was given as the supreme sacrifice...Only his last words we intended for us to live by...Of course, you may continue to live in the outdated versions if you wish...but, should never step on the rights of others in doing so. To do so would be "Un-Christian."”
“Never does anyone in the Anti-Gay movement remember the last commandment given us by Christ - "Go and love each other as I have loved you, there is no greater commandment than this." This is the commandment of the New Covenant, and trumps all others by Christs sacrifice for humanity. There are no other teachings after this.”
“To uphold Biblical values, one must affirm that God doesn't make mistakes - The evangelical position on Gays is to state that God has made a mistake and therefore must be replaced. What would Jesus do, I ask them.”
ChaCubed on Jun 3, 2012 at 10:21:30
“Have you ever noticed that they NEVER answer that question? It's because the answer is "We don't care."”
“So true...it is so easy for them to cast the first stone when they refuse to accept and get to know us as genuine, loving creations of the same God.(And my God doesn't make mistakes)...the last commandment we were given as Christians was - "Go and love each other as I have loved you."”
evolvedtg on Jun 3, 2012 at 13:52:47
“Believe me when I tell you, in regards to your 'get to know us' comment, they are doing you a favor. You want some insane cult followers over for a cook out? I didn't think so! Yuch! Your other friends would bring the baked beans and potato salad, they would bring the intolerance and hate. (Quick, turn off the music, shut the lights, shhh, maybe they'll go away.)”
ChaCubed on Jun 3, 2012 at 10:24:50
“Did Jesus say that? They ignore everything Jesus says.”