“You know what, I am fine with doctors making a lot of money
I have friends who are in their residency and they have hundreds of thousands in debt to start. These are our best and brightest often, who have succeeded at every academic level, they should be well compensated.
That being said, pricing should be clear. Hospitals don't play in the free market and there isn't a lot of real competition. Pricing doesn't have to be clear. I work in pharma and have been in hospitals that have no idea what inventory and supplies they have, where it is, and they have so much high priced medicine that goes obsolete, and we all pay for that.”
He stated that she, having spent most of her life and developing as a man-had a bio-mechanical advantage over other women. She has a different bone structure which can translate into grappling, punching power, kicking power, and a frame that can support more muscle. Those are all true, regardless of what people want to believe, she has a physical advantage.”
There is on avg, in olympic weightlifting, a 20% difference in weight lifted, at the same weight classes - that is massive.
That translates, fast-twitch, to speed (Usain Bolt would beat the fastest woman in history by more than a second over just 100m, 4 seconds over 400m, this is an eternity at high level track and field). Fast twitch translates to speed, power, agility, and that translates to striking power and takedowns - 20% is a massive difference.
Yes, there is a major male physical advantage, if there wasn't then we wouldn't see a woman dunking in a WNBA or College game as reason to pause and celebrate as opposed to the NBA, where it is every play.”
“In all other elements of society, I agree with you, she has a change and chooses to live her life as a woman. If she wants to open a business, work at a company, etc - she deserves equal treatment, pay, and respect as any person does, male or female. Her license should say female, all government ID, and all rights that should be associated.
However, she is not medically a female. If you look at her chromosomes, she is male. She does not completely have a female body, she had 31 years as a male and her body structure, supports that musculature that a male has, her body adapted. That means she has wider shoulders and frame than a female. She is physically altered and transitioning to be more female, but she will never have all the same traits, as someone who is born female, science isn't there yet. Given that, she has the bio-mechanical advantages as a male (if you saw the real sports about the trans-gender college basketball player- it fits as well, she is 6'5 with a massive frame that no female will have, even in the WNBA, like a Lobo or Griner, of similar height). There is a difference when it comes to physicality and she should not get to compete against women in a sport so violent and dangerous. This wasn't something she was born with, I respect the difficulty but she made a conscious life choice to do this.”
“So if I am feeling like a female today, I should be able to go and compete at the said division in women's competition? Should male NBA stars get to go to the WNBA instead of the D-league?
The reality is there are physical advantages and no matter how anyone "feels" these need to be segregated by weight and by gender. We can be as PC as we want but there are physical differences between the sexes and just because someone undergoes a procedure, that changes their outward appearance, doesn't change their basic biology.”
I for instance grew up wrestling, and now there is an avenue for college wrestlers to have a professional outlet that wasn't there before, it is no different than the NFL, NBA, MLB, Hockey, and certainly not different from boxing in that matter.
Our servicemen and women, Olympic combat sports, now all have an outlet for their skills, no different than boxing.”
“That is true, I am sure this was done for personal reasons and she has said she had gender identity issues.
But this person has been married, had children, and served in the military, as a male - she has surely seen and been exposed to pressures - however she has also surely had physical training for years in one form or another.
The issue is her advantages and had she had this kind of physical advantage as a male, she would have already found athletic success and it would have been well documented. She does have an unfair physical advantage.”
“As someone who has a competitive background, both striking and grappling (was it exposure to just folkstyle or free/greco? - all have different elements of physicality but the INTL are more physical and more similar to MMA grappling)
The issue isn't her own advantage, she may run up against the likes of a olympic judoka and get owned, the skill disparity could be too great. If I put Ronda Rousey in a fight with Ray Lewis, she is going to win in all likelihood, despite his size and high school wrestling prowess. Size can't win out but within a range, the larger and more athletic competitor can make up for skill disparities.
I don't disagree that with success comes scrutiny, and the middle distance runner from south Africa not had success, then there is no issue, if Oscar Prestorius didn't have such success, again there is no issue in advantage. Here though, it has to be a blanket rule and if a female HW who is trans, would be seen due to her frame and structure to have an unfair significant advantage, then the concept must hold for all classes and fighters.
We have seen men transfer to female, and have success in sports like tennis where a relatively unknown, found great success - but as PC as we may like to be, we do not see female to male, regardless of testosterone enhancement, find that kind of success - there is a male advantage beyond just hormones.”
“Let me simplify above and lets not look at scientific theory but actual athletic performance
Take a look at Flo-jo, fastest woman in history against Usain Bolt, now lets look at their reaction times out of the blocks, as an anecdotal example. Bolt is faster out of the blocks (not the best at this in male sprinting) and he is faster to reach his peak speed. The male reaction time from watching mens baseball vs womens softball in the college world series to watching the adjustments in the WNBA vs the NBA, the ability to react faster is an advantage.
A big head, can absorb punishment better than a smaller one and bigger hands can deliver a stronger punch without the same risk of breaking ones hands. Look at those who have demonstrated the ability to absorb punishment, like a Mark Hunt or Cabbage, a larger skull.”
Binnie Winna Torkle on Apr 11, 2013 at 13:04:38
“The 5.56 in the M4A1 seems to be doing alright despite its smaller size, so I think you missed the point in broadswords and rapiers. Also, you are again comparing someone with testosterone to someone without it. My point is only that the larger circumference of bones doesn't guaranty strength or power, which is the main point made by Rogan--oddly enough, a wrestler. Given the same level of testosterone and the same weight class, smaller bones are more capable of being denser with more muscle mass. Once you reach a point of lethality, such as with a rapier, the defensive ability of less-dense bones looses effectiveness and imo becomes a drawback. In cases of larger heads, the offset is going to go somewhere else, as in legs of the opponent, which for some reason have been made less functional despite levels of lethality--none of the women I ever sparred with reflected such a lack of ability. And not that I've seen more than two kicks in the UFC that were what I like. Even St Pierre's training buddy (Shotokan) took 2 spinning back kicks to finish a guy off.
Based on my experience, Fox could easily falter at the higher levels. But that's a striker's view, not a testosterone'd wrestlers :)”
“OK, well by that logic why can't I put Ronda Rousey or Cyborg Santos in a cage with Dominick Cruz and see what happens, since they are as tall or taller and compete in the same weight class. Chris Brown and Rihanna looks like a fair tale of the tape by this logic.
Matt Serra competes at 170 at 5-8, so does Carlos Condit at over 6 foot - their bodies and build are completely different and one has a denser musculature and more explosive power as opposed to range and length and it fits both styles of fighter.
Look at Lesnar or Overeem at HW and compare them to Struve, he may be taller but there is a reason the other two need to cut to make the weight limit, they are bigger.
I am not quantifying the advantage, I am saying it is there. If it wasn't again, why wasn't Fox doing this in male MMA? Why aren't female to male trans athletes, having this kind of success.
We can be as PC and accepting as we want but we can't be blind to ignore that despite the surgery and procedures, she was born a man and lived most of her life as a man and men are physically superior to women in athletics, those are the simple realities. She can choose to live as a woman, that is fine, but she shouldn't get to beat other women up in competition who don't share her physical traits.”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 11, 2013 at 21:09:22
“Well, if Cyborg keeps taking steroids, you might be able to. The thing is, OVER AND OVER AND OVER, you keep making the exact same false comparison. You're comparing someone with a HUGE amount of testosterone in their system to someone with virtually none and claiming that it's the same. It's not, not even close.
As to Female to Male athletes, they can't compete professionally because they HAVE to take steroids by virtue of being FTM which makes them incapable of competing. Still, I know female to male athletes who perform in sports that aren't steroid tested and they ARE competitive with other men. One of my friends does a type of strong man competition like the ironman, he came in 2nd. I also have another friend who's a FTM body builder, he's 200 lbs and benchpresses 300.”
“Well once you get into it being an advantage that is unfair at HW versus it not being an advantage at FW, then you are making exceptions and you have lost the premise of the argument.
First, did you watch the fight?
She blazed through her competition, and physically demolished them. If she had that kind of skill advantage, she wold have been far superior when she competed in male MMA, but she didn't, the advantage was physical.
You mention other sports, but in other sports you typically don't have the ability to beat your opponent senseless.
Also there was a recent documentary on Real Sports about a trans-basketball player, and though at a community college and in her 40's, her frame, shoulder width, etc, the fact that she is I believe 6'5, compare her to a 6'5 woman, and her frame looks completely different, Brittany Griner can't box out with shoulders that wide. Without that advantage, she isn't competing in college basketball.
What other trans fighters are there? And also, what trans fighters go from female to male, and are finding success at the high level, it simply doesn't happen.
As far as ethnicity, thats a whole different and biologically natural issue, and I can point to pretty even distribution, in mma in this case, in terms of the fact that white, black, latino, and asian fighters, have all found incredible success at the highest levels.”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 11, 2013 at 21:00:28
“Are you sure there aren't any trans fighters or is it they don't want to come out and have people try to trash their careers? There's a reason trans people stick to the shadows, they tend to be easy targets for prejudice.
Yes, it's culturally diverse because racial composition in sports is based largely on society perception. Why do you think there are so few black golfers? Is it because black people are less capable at golfing? Still, the fact is that the difference between the bone density of a black and white man is greater than the bone density difference between a white man and white woman.
But, your right, there IS an even distrobution which should tell you that if the large differences in muscle and bone composition by ethnicity is not enough to allow any one ethnicity to dominate the sport and in some cases ethnicity causes greater differences than sex then how do we know that Fallon can't compete fairly?”
“Because a light weight male, first, will be fighting another lightweight male, both at 155lbs.
If ones testosterone is that much higher, the drug test will indicate why. There are differences in testosterone and athleticism, certainly, but they aren't going to be that dissimilar with normal biology between two males, without PED's.
If you have ever done a combat sport, weight, size, frame, and athleticism matter a great deal. No two bodies are ever completely equal, but they need to be relatively equal. If they aren't relatively equal, at this level, then the board of competition, commission, etc, will not sanction the fight, to protetct fighters. If I tried to get sanctioned to go fight a UFC fighter tomorrow, it would never be allowed.
You will get those once in a generation athletes that are on a different level, but if it is born ability, it is what it is, but when it isn't naturally created, it creates an unfair competitive advantage.”
“Think of it this way, if Brock Lesnar, or someone of his size, decided to changeover. Even years later, nothing is going to reduce the impact of his frame, his hand size, head size, and those are things he can use, as any man of that size, to his advantage. The difference between a man like that and a woman of equal weight, would be so pronounced.
Recently real-sports did a story about a trans-gender basketball player, in her 40's playing at a community college. If you look at her, and then compare her to other women of her height, look at elite athletes of height in womens basketball and volleyball, now look at her frame and shoulder width, the ability to box out with that kind of frame, is simply so enhanced, it is a major competitive advantage.
There is a reason we don't see women who become men, compete at high levels of sport as men and it is beyond testosterone.”
lavender menace on Apr 11, 2013 at 16:26:13
“But we also have to look at Renee Richards, who was a transwoman tennis player in the 1970's. She competed against Billie Jean King and Chris Evert and could not beat them. So it depends I guess.”
“Yes, not all men are physical equals, that is why not all men can be professional athletes. Those athletes have physical tools and traits that most, like myself, can't even fathom. It allows elite athletes to separate themselves, from the ability and limitations to build muscle, speed, endurance, strength, power, along with size and reach, which are advantages. These are all dictated heavily by genetics. I at 175 lbs may have more or less muscle and the ability to build muscle than another person at 175 lbs, and athletes with the same height may compete in different classes due to this.
Fat to muscle ratio is heavily dictated by testosterone, but testosterone also leads to bio-mechanical development. For instance a pointer finger being longer than a middle finger, is a common trait for those with higher developmental levels of testosterone. The testosterone affects the frame, whether that be in a finger or masculine traits like broad shoulders or jaw. The body develops to adapt to the musculature on the frame. These are permanent advantages, nothing is going to change this. If a 6-4, 275lb man did this, the advantage would be clearly pronounced.
I am not her doctor or any doctor, but having competed in combat sports, there are advantages that come with those bio-mechanical traits. It is a generalization but it has to be a generalization, a commission has to make broad rules to apply to all. We also don't know her testosterone levels, versus her opponents either.”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 12, 2013 at 14:40:20
“I couldn't reply to your lower message so I'm replying here. Why do you have to have a blanket rule against trans women performing? I've argued, and I think you agreed that not all men have an advantage over all women and that if that's true then it's even more true that many trans women would have no advantage over a large portion of women. Why bar those people from fighting when you can readily test these advantages. If you test a transwoman and her abilities fall within a certain range with her competition, why ban her?
These boards make case by case decisions all the time so why blanket ban a whole group from ever having a chance to compete in sports?”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 11, 2013 at 00:37:58
“Sorry, not 5 inches, Peggy Morgan has 7 inches over Fallon. Maybe we ought to blackball her too?”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 11, 2013 at 00:32:16
“In fact, I recommend you look up the stats for the other female featherweights in the MMA. Not only is Fallon Fox not the tallest fighter in her class, she's actually dwarfed by her competition. Peggy Morgan (who also won two fights) is 6'1", would it be fair to say that she has an unfair genetic bone structure advantage over Gabrielle Holloway who's 5'3"? Heck, would those extra 5 inches give her a unfair bone structure advantage over Fallon Fox? Would they be equal? How do you quantify this "advantage" that transwomen instantly have?”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 11, 2013 at 00:18:34
“We're not talking about someone 6' 4" though, Fallon Fox is 5' 6" and 144lbs. She's a featherweight. I just can't see how Fallon Fox personally has such an obscene advantage that it warrants her being blackballed. I say that as someone who has also done combat sports for a number of years (4 years highschool wrestling and 3 years of nonprofessional boxing). Lets be honest, if Fox hadn't won her first two fights then nobody would be arguing this and as soon as she loses her first this story will drop off the radar (assuming she isn't banned).
Look, it's not like this is a unheard of situation, there are other trans athletes in sports that don't even have equalizers like weight class. None of them dominate their sports and there is no proof that they have significant advantages. I'm not saying that they don't have some advantage but I wouldn't consider it significantly different from advantages due to ethnicity.”
“If she was taller, perhaps. Height in wrestling tends to come with length and reach. If you watch MMA or greco roman wrestling in particular, it is far more apparent to see in take-downs. If you follow MMA, Jon Jones is a good example of using reach and height to create leverage and more force on takedowns. (the Matt Hammil slam is a perfect example. In wrestling, size makes a huge difference as does frame, it also can dictate style, like being able to use height in football on offensive or defensive line. Someone like Phil Davis has reach and length he can use those for control, someone that is stockier like a Ryan Bader will need to use quicker shots and be more explosive.
I was for example, at that point wrestling at 145. I could cut nearly 10 lbs to make that weight the day of and rehydrate, another advantage that comes with having less bodyfat.
If she was taller, yes, it is a completely different match, I was able to not only get riding time with longer reach, but I had a reach advantage that allowed me to control the distance better, control the pace, and counter more easily.”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 12, 2013 at 14:33:15
“You're sort of making my point. There are female featherweights with 11 inches over their competition, I would argue that's a HUGE advantage in both boxing and wrestling (except maybe the center of balance difference). Fallon is not particularly tall for her weight class. I would contend to you that you would have a hard time arguing that the advantage she gains due to her bone structure is greater than that other fighters gain having nearly a foot over their competition.”
“The Olympics haven't truly had to deal with this issue, the instance of the south african middle distance runner, that the Olympics handled very poorly in terms of managing her press and privacy, was very different.
I also didn't question the Olympics, though it is fair to, I simply stated that men have a physical advantage over women, that is simply biology. It goes beyond testosterone as well, it goes to bone structure, frame, reaction time, etc. This is beyond simply testosterone, if it was simply testosterone, I would imagine we would see professional transgender male athletes who go from female to male, that would be able to compete at the highest levels, but we do not.
This isn't tennis, this is a combat sport and people can be seriously hurt. If you watch these fights, the physical ability, not simply skill or technique, of this woman was on a different level, it was like watching Cyborg Santos (who uses steroids), run through people. The physical advantage of either, is what needs to be prevented.
This isn't about being opposed to transgender identity or homophobia, it is about competition and safety, and she simply has, due to biology, a physical advantage over her competition.
As far as classes, today it is based on gender and weights - if they want to create a transgender class to accommodate, that is completely fine with me.”
MelissaMyers on Apr 10, 2013 at 23:14:50
“Here's the facts straight from the IOC:
Statement of the Stockholm consensus on sex reassignment in sports
On 28 October 2003, an ad-hoc committee convened by the IOC Medical
Commission met in Stockholm to discuss and issue recommendations on the
participation of individuals who have undergone sex reassignment (male to
female and converse) in sport.
This group was composed of:
Prof. Arne Ljungqvist (SWE)
Prof. Odile Cohen-Haguenauer (FRA)
Prof. Myron Genel (USA)
Prof. Joe Leigh Simpson (USA)
Prof. Martin Ritzen (SWE)
Prof. Marc Fellous (FRA)
Dr Patrick Schamasch (FRA)
The group confirms the previous recommendation that any “individuals
undergoing sex reassignment of male to female before puberty should be
regarded as girls and women” (female). This applies as well for female to male
reassignment, who should be regarded as boys and men (male).
The group recommends that individuals undergoing sex reassignment from
male to female after puberty (and the converse) be eligible for participation in
female or male competitions, respectively, under the following conditions:
q Surgical anatomical changes have been completed, including external
genitalia changes and gonadectomy
q Legal recognition of their assigned sex has been conferred by the
appropriate official authorities
q Hormonal therapy appropriate for the assigned sex has been
administered in a verifiable manner and for a sufficient length of time to
minimise gender-related advantages in sport competitions.
In the opinion of the group, eligibility should begin no sooner than two years
:truncated by ~70 words for huffpost.”
It isn't simply bone density but frame. Men have larger hands, that can deliver more powerful punches, as can longer limbs, larger skulls that can better absorb blows, a hip structure that allows kicks to be delivered with more force, and shoulder width that are huge advantages in grappling and generating torque and force used in takedowns. Men also have a higher muscle to fat ratio, and that has formed into her biology.
Those biomechanical advantages are permanent. Men, given evolutionary traits, also have faster reaction times than women.
I wrestled for over 12 years, middle school into college. I wrestled against women through high-school, in my weight class, and there were some who were unbelievably skilled and athletic, one even went on to be an olympic alternate, a level far beyond me and my skillset. But in our match, at the same weight, as a male, I was physically stronger and faster and in tie ups with a wider base and longer arms, I could complete take-downs more efficiently. She was just at a physical disadvantage.
I am all for her having equal rights but she shouldn't be fighting women.”
another looker on Apr 11, 2013 at 20:34:39
“The problem is this, rk13. The LGBT community has created an entire mythology about many of the difficulties and situations they face. None of them or their supporters would admit what you are stating, because it smack many of their belief systems right in the face. They cannot have that to continue the myths they built up around their existence.
You note that we always read about some LGBT-er getting "bullied" and "beat up", but do you ever read of any LGBT-ers defending himself or herself?”
Binnie Winna Torkle on Apr 11, 2013 at 07:03:44
“"You are completely incorrect"--but spoken like a true wrestler. Women have structurally a lower center of gravity, but I'm sure that wouldn't affect hip throws. There's also a degree of osteoporosis when taking female hormones, and this wouldn't affect the circumference of the bones, but make them less dense; thus with larger circumference, there is less density and slower response times. And I don't know where you're getting that men have a faster reaction time, because women have a slightly larger right putamen: http://neuro.imm.dtu.dk/wiki/Striatum_and_pre-SMA_facilitate_decision-making_under_time_pressure Although Fallon's may be even larger, there is no data on possibly improved reaction time--TS pathology suggests slower times due to increased processing in the right putamen, parietal lobe, frontal lobe and motor strip because of variance with exterior physiology (this, along with involvement of the hypothalamus, is one of the consistent stress-producing problems with TS).
In striking training, the greater proportion of bone density increase is seen on the inside, not the circumference, other than collisional masses (eg, breaking bottles on one's shin), and larger bones mean nothing defensively when a level of efficacity is achieved in striking. Compare it to the shift from broadswords to rapiers.
Male puberty may have given wide shoulders, but as Alyssa mentioned, I think you're comparing your days of testosterone to a person without. Despite experience and training, I think Fallon may be lacking at the higher levels.”
kerntastic on Apr 10, 2013 at 21:13:43
“Honest question - do you think that a person's size would make a difference? For example, if the Olympic athlete you wrestled was the same weight class, but maybe she was 4 inches taller and had a longer reach, do you think that would have maybe evened the playing field a bit more? Not baiting, honestly just asking your opinion. I don't know much about wrestling.”
Alyssa Evers on Apr 10, 2013 at 19:51:44
“Well, lets be clear, SOME men have those or some of those advantages but it is hardly a universally true statement like you make it out to be. Also, the fat to muscle ratio is actually almost entirely hormonal so that wouldn't be remotely true for Fallon. Now, it would be true that Fallon's bone structure would show some differences from other woman but as to what those advantages are or how much of an advantage her bone structure gives her, that's really hard to make a statement about unless you're actually her doctor. I would also point out that there are differences in bone structure by race as well, hence why it's possible to identify someone's race by their skeletal remains. Believe it or not, not all women are made equal.
The problem with your story is that you are comparing the advantage you, as someone with a male hormonal chemistry, had over a woman with Fallon who simply doesn't have the same hormonal levels. Considering it's been years since she's had SRS, her body will actually have less testosterone than a natal woman. I think you under estimate the amount of muscle wasting that occurs without testosterone.”
“She has male bone structure and the bio-mechanical advantages that come with it. There is a reason that women don’t compete against men, looking at purely the purest form of athletics, the Olympics.
In just a 100m sprint, Usain Bolt would defeat the fastest woman in history, by about a second. Over a full lap around a track, 400m, this will increase to between 3 or 4 seconds, a ton of time in a sprint, you won’t see someone break a record by this amount of time.
Weightlifting, the record for a man versus a woman, at equal size we are going to see men about 20% stronger.
There is a clear physical difference and when you consider that an ordinary dunk in a mens basketball game is no big deal and is pause for celebration in a woman’s game, it is clear that there is a difference in capability.
This is why women get up in arms when a man beats a woman and this is basically what happened in these matches.”
Louisa in Belgium on Apr 11, 2013 at 14:25:12
“like I say in all these cases... pseudo science that takes no account of the degenerative effects of the total lack of testosterone and the replacement by estrogen.
Bigger bone structure simply becomes a hindrance without the muscle structure to support it... and transwomen lose up to 60% of their muscles.
Nice try but you dont have a clue.”
“His comments were in poor taste but there is truth there.
Take wrestling for instance – I wrestled from middle school to college, and I had to wrestle girls, and it was pretty clear that they physically were not equal, a female wrestler of equal skill against a male wrestler, she is going to lose.
She can call herself a woman, get it put on her license, I will call her a woman, but this isn’t tennis, this is a combat sport where people could be seriously hurt.
Her chromosomes will indicate she is male, her DNA says she is male, and she has a male frame. She has a denser skull, hips that can lead to more kicking power, wider shoulders, more powerful hands, and men have better reaction time given millions of years of evolution. Taking hormones aren’t going to change the mechanical advantages that come with the male frame. There is no science that is going to support opposition positions against frame and bio-mechanics.”
Xela Zera on Apr 11, 2013 at 00:56:16
“How is that different from a light-weight male of equal skill fighting a giant tank of testosterone? No two bodies are equal or will ever be equal, so why should that matter anyways?”
kerntastic on Apr 10, 2013 at 21:08:46
“I get what you're saying, and I see your point, but I don't think that was what the guy had a problem with, particularly when he said he hopes the opponent wins (only he said it a bit differently). He wasn't worried that by being born male, she would have an unfair advantage over her opponent who was born female. He just thought it was gross and therefore hates it.
Productivity is up, yes, but that doesn't mean necessarily that worker productivity is up.
What we have seen in that same time frame, is much higher levels of mechanization and automation along with the rapid implementation and utilization of computing technology.
Cars are now built primarily by robots with fewer people involved, warehouses are now filled with conveyor and robots that can drive forklifts and load trucks, and front offices are heavily automated with computers and ERP that increase speed and productivity, while allowing the operation to require fewer people to operate at the same level.”
Jaeker on Mar 19, 2013 at 15:34:30
“I agree that automation has been central to this. The systems which build and distribute our goods seem likely to need fewer and fewer people to achieve the goals set by demand.
What then are people to do in order to have a reasonable chance at basic security. If little work is needed from people to satisfy global demand, then what is the global population going to be able to do to have access to that economy?”
gnunews on Mar 19, 2013 at 14:59:31
“You don't seem to understand her argument or what productivity means.”
“Well the younger generation is socially more liberal - and Romney isn't socially liberal
Things like gay-rights, most kids of high-school age I know, my younger brother and his friends, don't get the problem with gay marriage and gay equality, they simply are apathetic to it, they don't care because it doesn't affect them. The rallying against it is simply illogical and they can see that, as an example.”
“We will never know what exactly Joe Paterno knew and when - he shouldn't be the primary scapegoat in this ordeal, and as he said, in hindsight, he should have done more.
Plenty should have done more, the governor was the attorney general as the investigation began, and he too didn't warn the second mile.State investigators allowed Sandusky access to children, and he adopted children and they caught nothing. The state should have alerted those involved in 1998, because there was an allegation alone. McQueary didn't call the police, those he reported to who were lead administrators, didn't provide a report to police, Schultz was the head of the police in that jurisdiction and did nothing. Spanier was told there was an incident and removed access for Sandusky but didn't ask about the details - even the board when the investigation became known last year, didn't fully explore their livability in the matters.
Paterno may have failed, but so did plenty of others in this ordeal.”