Jun 14, 2012 at 18:43:30
This is exactly what we are talking about. At least I am. For me this issue is a humane one. Look at the 2 millions youth, who were educated here, who grew up in this country, who love this land and ask does it make sense to deport them?
Like that classmate, so many of us are stuck. We came here to no fault of our own. For me, it is time for the Dream Act to pass to allow us a chance to earn citizenship.
Jun 14, 2012 at 18:37:25
“That is an interesting way to look at it, but let's reframe it shall we?
Does it makes sense to send back the very people the USA educated while we bring people from overseas? Why look for talent when talent is already here.
It not so much about whether the place one can get deported to is awful but rather is it humane to do so? Remember, about 2 millions youth ONLY know America.
So I ask, what is the solution?”
andreabeth7 on Jun 14, 2012 at 19:07:44
“What if they are not particularly talented? The majority seem to be some sort community activist types and we already have enough of those. Furthermore, why should the US hog all the talent? These US educated individuals are needed far more in their home countries than they are here.
None of these parents seem to have a problem uprooting their children from the ONLY country they have ever known when the destination is the US so your argument does not hold water.”
Jun 14, 2012 at 18:35:16
“I can understand why this makes you mad.
I ask of you and many others to look at the issue another way, perhaps break it up to a smaller one.
Right now we have about 2 millions undocumented immigrants who were brought to this country at a young age.
Who are we to fault? The kids? I don't think so.
And now these kids, many of them college graduates, are stuck. They want to serve this country but how can they? Deport them you say? But where to? To a land they don't know? To a language they don't speak? Is this the American way?
Right now my focus is on the youth. For them the solution is the Dream Act that would allow them to EARN citizenship and provide back this country.
All I ask is to look at this issues, the 2 millions human beings, with a new pair of eyes and ask yourself, what if this person was a friend of mine and I just found out now?”
naaman3 on Jun 16, 2012 at 11:23:54
“Expanding: These government "officials" verifying these "kids" papers (which can be forged) very likely will be illegal themselves. The gov't hires illegals. Hello?
That's the same as Eric Holder investigating Obama's leaks! I mean, really now.
Furthermore, if these folks go to college, they very well could be taking up a seat that an American or legal resident could have had. In the states that have the "DreamAct," they are accepted before Americans/legals are & some with paid tuition!
None of this makes any sense. Why are we being "fair & just" to illegals at the expense of Americans & legal residents! (& I mean expense in all meanings of the word.)”
naaman3 on Jun 16, 2012 at 11:12:06
“Bet they all speak their native language. Most reside in families that carry on their respective cultures, etc. - If the parents were illegal, they probably haven't, nor cared to, assimulate.
If these "children" (up to 30!) were deported, they could go to college in their countries while waiting to come here legally.
This 30 years, 5 years residing = One could have come here at 24 or 25. That's not a "child of an illegal." That's an adult who could also have children!
With this new method, won't more gov't workers be needed to check verification of these "kids?" - All that does is expand the gov't. And when has the government ever done anything right/efficently!!”
Vicky Valentine Proud on Jun 15, 2012 at 12:10:24
“No, no their fault but their parents. So who do we hold accoutnable for breaking the law? Nobody because if the DREAM Act goes through, these new 'Americans" will be allowed to sponsor their long illegal parents, so where does the enforcement of the law go? Out the window. Parents serve as the example for their children, so by equally enforcing the law all the way around, it sends a clear, not the mixed message they receive all their lives, message that if you break the law, you can expect to be punished for it. By the way, the media only show these DREAMers as young, bright college aged students, but in its provisions, it can apply to those 35 years or younger. A far cry from being a 'kid', right? Save me the whole they do not know anything about their homelands etc, they are raised in their language and culture, even living in neighborhoods of others who are here illegally as well as it serves to protect them because nobody will call ICE on them, so they live their culture 24/7. I feel for these kids, but nobody is above the law.”
ugly american on Jun 14, 2012 at 21:55:48
“Those two million (really? the DREAM Act is looking at far more) were brought here by their parents. Their parent lied to them and told them they would be Americans because of the crime parents committed.
It's not their fault, strictly speaking, but it is not America's fault either. We owe them nothing and especially not special privileges or being rewarded with citizenship for their parents misdeeds. At 18, they could return to their homeland (not here, where their citizenship is) and apply for a visa. If they don't or didn't do this, the crime of illegal entry becomes theirs. There is the "path" they demand but not for people over 18 who may have come here on their own.
As for the DREAM Act? It does NOTHING for any citizens or legal foreigners. It is foreign aid distributed in our backyard and we're not invited to the party? Not likely to pass EVER.”
andreabeth7 on Jun 14, 2012 at 20:40:22
“They seem to have no problem going to a 'land they don't know' with 'a language they do not speak' when that land is the US.”
dtairtime on Jun 14, 2012 at 19:14:09
“"many of them college graduates"???
So are you the last person to know that hispanics have extremely high drop out rates for high school? There are very few illegals who graduate from college.
If the dream act bills were ANYTHING like what you claim then maybe one of them would have passed. But they are nothing like the talking points claim them to be. The many loopholes for school or serivce, criminal convictions allowed, costs to taxpayers, adults allowed up to 35, etc all add up to a typical massive fraud filled amnesty for the 8th time!
If amnesty worked on reducing the problem of illegals then an intelligent person would think the 7 we have already had would not have increased their numbers so quickly.”
Jun 14, 2012 at 18:31:16
“I am not aware of all the details but right now we only have ONE option (without any sponsors that is), and that is to hope that Congress pass the Dream Act which says, go to college or serve the military and we will give you the path to citizenship.”
Doug Dougie Jaeger on Jun 14, 2012 at 19:38:48
“My problem with the dream act is that it gives the opportunity for citizenship to people who cheated the system and cut in line. I can agree to permanent resident status as long as they have to return and wait in line for citizenship while also making children born here of said illegal aliens non citizens also.”