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California Advocates Seek To Reduce Student Suspensions By Axing 'Willful Defiance' Charge

California Advocates Seek To Reduce Student Suspensions By Axing 'Willful Defiance' Charge

Commented Jul 31, 2014 at 14:09:40 in Education

“This reminds me of the argument against student retention a few years back. The argument of the anti-retention camp was that a higher percentage of kids that are retained don't graduate from high school. My question for those folks was how many kids that were eligible for retention, but instead promoted, went on to graduate from high school? They did not possess the answer to that question. Thus ended the debate, the emperor had no clothes.

This is eerily similar. When the California Chief Justice of the Supreme Court makes the statement: "You might ask, `Why is school discipline a justice issue?' The answer is obvious – when children are not in school, studies show they are at risk of entering the juvenile justice system," she said. "Studies show that one suspension triples the likelihood of a juvenile justice contact within that year."

Correlation does not equal causation. If a particular student engages in criminal conduct, is it reasonable to believe this child also has behavior issues at school? Here the judge finds the suspension causes the misbehavior, rather than holding the child accountable.

Not employing suspension for offenses that are suspendable sends the message that there are no consequences for misbehavion. When the child grows up s/he get a quick lesson from the justice system that what the school taught them, that they have no responsibility, is not the reality in the "real world."

Suspension is much cheaper than incarceration, allow schools to teach students acceptable behavior.”
Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Commented Sep 11, 2012 at 23:51:39 in Money

“Call it what you want. We paid within $1,000 of our EFC. Having more than one in college helps. EFC is a total for ALL kids, at the same time. Merit based, because if they didn't belong there, bumper sticker parent, they wouldn't go there. Your kid must've gotten in to subsidize others. Of course the multi-billion endowment could've taken care of that, but when they can milk you, why bother?

It is you're welcome, as in "you are welcome."

You're welcome for the writing lesson, and thanks for overspending. I'm enjoying the fruits of your labor.”

Jesvey on Sep 12, 2012 at 10:26:14

“Don't get me wrong, I love overacheivers and high acheivers, they reach their fullest potential and usually get everything they deserve, much like the lazy underacheivers, they get what they deserve and wonder what happened.  They may someday become the "subsidizers" of others and will understand.  Its obvious however, their smart @$s father couldn't get to that point.”
Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Commented Sep 11, 2012 at 23:07:31 in Money

“Elite private universities. All based on merit. Adds up to $50k off. Maybe there's some income based aid, but that would be based on losses in Scholarshare accounts due to global financial crisis. A.K.A The Bush Depression.”

Jesvey on Sep 11, 2012 at 23:23:29

“I call BS. My daughter got into Yale, Brown, Williams and Princeton and most students had high SAT's and were tops in their class. Most endowments/scholarships were need based. A smaller percentage were scholarship based. 75% of students got some degree of financial aid at Yale based on need. I got to pay full boat ( and I don't mind), just another form of wealth redistribution. I'm sure my $56,000 I paid helped supplement underprivileged students....your welcome.”
Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Justin Wolfers: Newsweek Cover Story On College Lacks 'Evidence'

Commented Sep 10, 2012 at 21:33:10 in Money

“This will sound a bit tasteless, but the cover speaks for itself. The reason for going to college is to find like minded folks who are motivated and smart. If one ends up as your girl/boyfriend it has accomplished the primary goal. The degree and ensuing lower rate of unemployment and probable better income are collateral benefits.

My kids are both off to college, they will graduate with no debt and we will not be in the poor house. Amazing how colleges award grants to high achievers.”

Jesvey on Sep 11, 2012 at 13:18:10

“100% high achiever accounts for it all, how much of that was "financial assistance" for income level? secondly, are we talking community college, public college, private college, your statement could mean ALOT of different things.”
Darlene, Public School Teacher, Reveals Night Job As Sex Dominatrix

Darlene, Public School Teacher, Reveals Night Job As Sex Dominatrix

Commented Sep 8, 2012 at 11:55:39 in Education

“When I was in college, oh so many years ago, there was a eerily similar "scandal" in Sacramento. I got a job teaching at the school the Dom had worked. It was a tee-hee situation all the way around, except for her hubby, an administrator in the same district. His part-time was pimping for her.”

Zen0469 on Sep 8, 2012 at 12:29:35

“A small slice of life in which there was spice.”
Democratic Split Over Education Reform Tested By Hollywood Movie

Democratic Split Over Education Reform Tested By Hollywood Movie

Commented Sep 3, 2012 at 10:19:00 in Politics

“Can someone describe what a "bad teacher" is? What do they do, or don't do that makes them bad? I knew a teacher, former military who the parents complained about at the beginning of every year for being mean, too demanding and giving too much work. Invariably he was the teacher most often cited by former students as their best teacher, particularly those that were academically successful.

So, when little sweetie complains about that mean old man standing at the front of the room, head right off to the principal's office to have that teacher removed.

Deprofessionalizing teaching through temp programs like TFA and taking away due process will cause years of damage to education. Charters, much more often than traditional schools, are avenues for kleptomania.”

j hig on Sep 3, 2012 at 10:35:02

“Bad teachers are just like all other bad employees. They do the bare minimum amount of work, avoid talking to parents or getting noticed, and are ill prepared to do their daily job. The teachers who care enough to make students work hard are the good ones. Another problem is the parents who have rarely given their children any discipline and who take their children's side when the good teachers are trying to reach out to parents for help.”

SquareDeal on Sep 3, 2012 at 10:33:56

“Bad teachers don't inspire their students. Bad teachers only care about those who easily succeed in their class. Bad teacher give up on struggling students.”

Willowset on Sep 3, 2012 at 10:27:35

“Bad teachers have some or all of the following traits:
They don't really like children very much.
They don't know their subject matter well.
They don't have high expectations for their students.
They don't given meaningful assignments that require students to read and write compositions but, rather, assign easily-graded "worksheets."
They are poor at managing their classrooms so that all students have a chance to learn.
They punish good teachers in subtle or not-so-subtle ways.
They do not take direction from principals and try to undermine those principals who have high expectations.”

barackvspalin on Sep 3, 2012 at 10:24:39

“.

Can someone describe what a " bad employ " is?
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Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Commented Aug 6, 2012 at 12:02:30 in Education

“For more information on compensation at non-profits go to guidestar.org, find the organization you are interested in and look up their IRS 990. The 990 contains information about highest compensated employees and who serves on the board.  Many times you will find the highest paid employees serving on the boards of other non-profits.  This creates a community of self-serving nepotistic networks of parasitic profiteers, hiding behind the veil of non-profits status.

Non-profits are not exclusively charities, many are vehicles for individuals to amass wealth while hiding behind the organization's status.”

IOracle on Aug 6, 2012 at 21:33:57

“Thanks for pointing out that non-profits are not exclusively charities. With their proliferation along with those of "foundations" and such, I have long suspected that such entities have become just another way to get rich quick while seeming to be philanthropic. Recently read that a man died when an experimental plane crashed. The plane belonged to some foundation. What???”

SteveInLA on Aug 6, 2012 at 16:03:44

“Sactoken, thanks for your articulate and informative posts. They make up some of the only reasoned remarks concerning California charter schools that you can find.”
Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Commented Aug 6, 2012 at 11:53:54 in Education

“The parent trigger will lead to schools being converted with no way for parents in the neighborhood to reclaim the school.  Since the trigger is only applicable in California at schools that are low achieving and in neighborhoods beset with poverty and crime, this may result in no option for parents who prefer to not send their children to the non-democractically governed charter school that replaces their previously locally controlled public school.  

The charter does not have to accept, or keep enrolled the local children that prove to be problematic, either behaviorally or due to language or learning disabilities.  Those kids would be dumped back into the regular public schools, where the school district would be required, by law, to serve their educational needs.

The California Parent Trigger law was created to intentionally cause divisive debate within small communities which rather than uniting and empowering parents, serves to do the opposite.  By turning over control a school can turn into a profit center for private groups.  These private groups will pay teachers less, provide fewer benefits to school staffs and result in churn of their workers.  The only real beneficiaries of these organizations are the folks in management, who are paid more than administrators at regular public schools and district offices.”

sactoken on Aug 6, 2012 at 12:02:30

“For more information on compensation at non-profits go to guidestar.org, find the organization you are interested in and look up their IRS 990. The 990 contains information about highest compensated employees and who serves on the board.  Many times you will find the highest paid employees serving on the boards of other non-profits.  This creates a community of self-serving nepotistic networks of parasitic profiteers, hiding behind the veil of non-profits status.

Non-profits are not exclusively charities, many are vehicles for individuals to amass wealth while hiding behind the organization's status.”
Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Parent Trigger Laws: What Leading Thinkers Have To Say

Commented Aug 6, 2012 at 11:50:33 in Education

“This is a multipart comment. Please read as a single item. I will post the rest as comments on the original comment.

California's Parent Trigger law is an excellent example of a poorly written law.  The author, failed candidate for Superintendent of Public Instruction and termed out former State Senator Gloria Romero, wrote the law, which has glaring errors.

Using the petition process, which in politics is the easiest act you can undertake, without having any of the facts, is simplistic and prone to error and abuse.  

There is no mechanism in the law for recission of signatures, nor is there any mention of not being able to rescind.  The 50% parent signage requirement ignores the number of students in a school per parent.  An only child can have both parents sign, a family with multiple children only has 2 parents, as well.  Issues of custody are ignored, as well as legal immigration status.  In other words, 2 parents, here illegally, can participate in the process of reassigning a public property (the school) to a private corporation.  

Also purposely left out of the law is the ability to trigger a charter that was previously triggered. Charter schools are exempt from being subject to the trigger.  In other words, there is no mechanism for buyer's remorse.  ”

sactoken on Aug 6, 2012 at 11:53:54

“The parent trigger will lead to schools being converted with no way for parents in the neighborhood to reclaim the school.  Since the trigger is only applicable in California at schools that are low achieving and in neighborhoods beset with poverty and crime, this may result in no option for parents who prefer to not send their children to the non-democractically governed charter school that replaces their previously locally controlled public school.  

The charter does not have to accept, or keep enrolled the local children that prove to be problematic, either behaviorally or due to language or learning disabilities.  Those kids would be dumped back into the regular public schools, where the school district would be required, by law, to serve their educational needs.

The California Parent Trigger law was created to intentionally cause divisive debate within small communities which rather than uniting and empowering parents, serves to do the opposite.  By turning over control a school can turn into a profit center for private groups.  These private groups will pay teachers less, provide fewer benefits to school staffs and result in churn of their workers.  The only real beneficiaries of these organizations are the folks in management, who are paid more than administrators at regular public schools and district offices.”
Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Commented Jul 18, 2012 at 13:54:55 in Education

“The issue here isn't how much, it is how it is determined.”

yeti7 on Jul 18, 2012 at 14:30:36

“then stop your unions from blocking merit pay and merit bonuses.”
Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Commented Jul 18, 2012 at 11:10:31 in Education

“I am a teacher that does not have an advanced degree, but I am at the top of the salary scale in my district because of continuing education incentives offered by my employing district. These classes and workshops were offered by my employer to improve teacher skills in whatever program they were touting as the solution to whatever problem was the most recent issue. I have been trained in TESA, GESA, adapting to curricular changes, dealing with diversity, ELLs, overcoming poverty, dealing with my inherent racism, using technology (that's the best topic, as soon as we learn something its obsolete), training in implementing the new (more better) standards, parental engagement, etc., etc.

Has any of that training made me a better teacher? I don't know, because mixed in with all that is my self motivation to do the best I can for my students. Plus the work I do with my fellow teachers is invaluable, sitting around with other teachers that are assigned the same subject and grade level is the most effective professional development.

Collaboration, in a free flowing, unscripted setting gets more accomplished than tightly controlled, top down dictates or college classes.

If incentives for continuing education are removed, however, another compensation system that is fair and not subject to outside influences needs to be developed. Using student test scores would stifle instruction and increase student disengagement. Teaching does not lend itself to simple fixes, it is as much an art as it is a science.”

Chip Gelser on Jul 18, 2012 at 11:56:32

“Thank you for your dedication to the profession. Collaboration is great.”
Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Master's Degree Bump: States Nationwide Spent Nearly $15 Billion In 2007-2008 Paying Teachers With Advanced Degrees

Commented Jul 18, 2012 at 10:39:54 in Education

“The average income includes the majority of workers and that majority does not have a college degree. Parents encourage their kids to go to college to get that degree so they will be above average. Where I live 29% of adults over 30 have a degree, that leaves 71% to pull down the average.

Teachers have at least a BA/BS, many more have an MA/MS.

Advanced degrees mean additional knowledge, but may not improve their students' test scores. Are test scores the best measure of a student's school experience?”

yeti7 on Jul 18, 2012 at 13:41:33

“OK folks, if you go to college and want a good paying job afterwords maybe even a great career don't go into teaching you will never be happy making the money that states pay teachers. Look for something else.”
Valarie Hodges, Louisiana Lawmaker, Retracts Support For Voucher Program Because Of Muslim School Inclusion

Valarie Hodges, Louisiana Lawmaker, Retracts Support For Voucher Program Because Of Muslim School Inclusion

Commented Jul 9, 2012 at 16:39:35 in Education

“...and the wheels come off the Jindal idiot machine. How many favor Jindal as Romney's VP selection? Isn't there a movie about those 2, Dumb and Dumber?”
Michelle Apperson, Teacher Of The Year, Gets Lay-Off Notice From Sacramento School District Amid Budget Cuts

Michelle Apperson, Teacher Of The Year, Gets Lay-Off Notice From Sacramento School District Amid Budget Cuts

Commented Jun 18, 2012 at 16:44:24 in Education

“The school district made the decision of which teachers to layoff by using what is called "skipping criteria." You can read a comprehensive story here: http://toped.svefoundation.org/2012/05/14/layoffs-by-seniority-contested/

Ms. Apperson has 9 years of seniority, that fact is a contributing factor in her ascension to Teacher of the Year. The district's administration, with board approval, to skip other, less senior teachers is what makes this a story.

Seniority based RIFs are the law to prevent nepotism and patronage, not to protect less skilled teachers. That's why this system was instituted.”
Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Commented Jun 13, 2012 at 09:16:03 in Education

SidTheScienceKid on Jun 13, 2012 at 11:34:04

“What were you trying to communicate with that ?”
Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Commented Jun 10, 2012 at 15:47:12 in Education

“They're all interrelated.”
Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Commented Jun 10, 2012 at 14:54:27 in Education

“I don't disagree with the concept of the flipped classroom, what I am concerned about is the divide between what middle and upper income kids experience, as far as home resources and those at the lower end of the income scale.

1/5 of kids in the United States live in poverty. Poverty isn't just economic, it also affects experience.

Example: My wife, a middle school teacher, took a small group of students to the downtown area of our city as a treat for winning a contest. 15 minute drive. 3 of the 4 kids had never been there. 1 of the 4 had never been on an escalator. 1 of the 4 had a computer at home.

If we, as a society, actually valued education the War on Poverty would still be in progress. Instead we have walked away. Tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts to governmental programs, blaming those that choose to serve the citizenry for a global recession caused by speculators.

Here's what George Washington said about speculators, "It is most devoutly to be wished that the several States would adopt some vigorous measures for the purpose of giving credit to the paper currency and punishment of speculators, forestallers and others who are preying upon the vitals of this great Country..."

Those speculators are inside the gate, again. Preying on all of us, not just in the financial markets, but in our everyday workplaces, from Walmart to the elementary school around the corner.”

sactoken on Jun 10, 2012 at 15:47:12

“They're all interrelated.”

SidTheScienceKid on Jun 10, 2012 at 15:42:01

“please, focus. You started so many topics that I feel less than interested in tackling even the ones I agree with ! :(”
Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Commented Jun 10, 2012 at 14:09:41 in Education

“It is totally related, you just didn't see the connection. Kids without internet access cannot access web based video.

Awful staff? Over 3,000,000 teachers, their former students, families and the vast majority of the public would disagree. Rather than think of teachers as an amorphous mob, think of them as they really are, majority female, moms, wives, sisters, daughters.”

SidTheScienceKid on Jun 10, 2012 at 14:23:32

“No. What Khan's approach has shown (AND SHOWN WITH HARD DATA) is that home time is better spent with the unchanging repeatable step of being presented with knowledge and class time is better served with student questions and work.

"Rather than think of teachers as an amorphous mob, think of them as they really are, majority female, moms, wives, sisters, daughters."
You might as well say that some are or were prostitutes as this is completely irrelevant to the discussion of education of students.

Yes, awful staff. 3 million teachers ? really ? One per hundred people in this country and this is the underpar result we see ? Yes, awful.”
Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Race To The Top Innovates Backwards, Education Venture Nonprofit Says

Commented Jun 9, 2012 at 21:56:51 in Education

“Kids in high poverty areas do not have access to computers at home, nor internet access (obviously). That's why they don't post here. Duh.”

SidTheScienceKid on Jun 10, 2012 at 13:22:45

“non sequitur.
Your statement is not even remotely related to what I stated.”
Teens Named Nguyen Team Up For Funny Yearbook Quote About Not Being Related (PHOTO)

Teens Named Nguyen Team Up For Funny Yearbook Quote About Not Being Related (PHOTO)

Commented May 19, 2012 at 09:43:09 in Teen

“The area I teach in had a large number of Vietnamese immigrants for a few years. One year of the 160 students in my classes, 36 had the last name Nguyen. Another 20 or so were Tran, some Ngo, a few Phan. That was a great year, generally respectful, hardworking and pleasant. Children of believers in Confucian philosophy, many are now lawyers, pharmacists and business owners. Even some teachers, counselors. Not too many administrators, they know better.”
School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

Commented May 6, 2012 at 16:54:53 in Education

“Only if you believe what you read/hear in the media. The reality is much different. Kids today are achieving more, at earlier ages than ever. Standards introduced under deposed governor Davis are tougher than ever and most kids are meeting that challenge.”
School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

Commented May 5, 2012 at 22:19:05 in Education

“Assuming that teachers have degrees in education is based on your limited schema on this issue. I teach and my degree is in political science, the administrators at my school have degrees in Literature, music, chemistry and mechanical engineering. My wife, who also teaches, has a bachelor's in journalism and a master's in literacy. A good friend, that teachers 6th grade has both his undergraduate degree and a master's in economics.

To teach PE. in California the requirements for a degree in PE are nearly identical to pre-med. I took anatomy classes in college and nearly all the other students were future nurses, doctors and PE teachers.”

genrel1248 on May 6, 2012 at 07:00:32

“I dont think I would be holding up the CA public education system as the paradigm. Its a mess!”
School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

School Hallway Hangouts Target Of New Haven Future Principal's Reform

Commented May 5, 2012 at 20:15:42 in Education

“About 28% of adults in the U.S. have a bachelor's degree or higher. If teachers come from the bottom 1/4 of that then those folks are from the 7th decile of achievement. Your position is misleading propaganda.

Incentive to teach does not come from the pay or vacations, it comes from the intrinsic rewards of the job. If you don't understand that or scoff at the idea it is a good thing you don't teach.”

genrel1248 on May 5, 2012 at 22:01:58

“False assumption that equates degree with achievement. Many entrepreneurs, inventors, artists, athletes, etc. never get a degree. Any trained craftsman has more talent and wits than most public school teachers. If we arent honest about the problem it will never be solved. Oh, and by the way, I do teach. Not in the public school system, though. I would not subject my talents to being administered and critiqued by incompetent education majors.”
Manuael Ernest Dillow, Virginia High School Teacher, Arrested For Lining Up Students, Firing Blank Gun Shots

Manuael Ernest Dillow, Virginia High School Teacher, Arrested For Lining Up Students, Firing Blank Gun Shots

Commented Apr 22, 2012 at 22:02:25 in Education

“Go find a copy of Blackboard Jungle, that'll give you an idea.”
Manuael Ernest Dillow, Virginia High School Teacher, Arrested For Lining Up Students, Firing Blank Gun Shots

Manuael Ernest Dillow, Virginia High School Teacher, Arrested For Lining Up Students, Firing Blank Gun Shots

Commented Apr 22, 2012 at 22:01:33 in Education

“No better critic than a disgruntled failure.”

mangez merde on Apr 22, 2012 at 22:45:58

“Why would my statement make you think that I am disgruntled or a failure at teaching or anything else.

Pssst!!!!!!!!!!!! Your arrogance and lack of logic skills are showing.”

Gronkie on Apr 22, 2012 at 22:11:19

“I wasn't thrilled by his comment, but yours was no better.”
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