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Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 10:23:45 in World
“Are you stating that our nobel troops put in a half a....s effort for 7 years. Note as well that Gates, Mullen, Petraeus and McChrystal are still the same players from the Bush Administration, and you expect different results? HAAHAAAHAAA!
Again, the point is, not to escalate and then get trapped there. What you don't understand is that even if Obama sets a date, he will in the end be pressured to move that goal post again, and again and again!!
So the best thing for him is NOT TO TRUST BUSH'S PEOPLE! Draw down, don't escalate troops and don't intensify combat.”
Again, the point is, not to escalate and then get trapped there. What you don't understand is that even if Obama sets a date, he will in the end be pressured to move that goal post again, and again and again!!
So the best thing for him is NOT TO TRUST BUSH'S PEOPLE! Draw down, don't escalate troops and don't intensify combat.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 10:01:30 in World
“Hillary, Gates and Adm. Mike Mullen”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 10:23:18
“They are AGAINST this plan?
Check AGAIN.”
Check AGAIN.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:55:31 in World
“Based on how they're reacting and how they're already trying to change the parameters of Obama's plan, and the troops aren't even there yet and the plan not set in stone! So imagine when it is...no, the thought sickens me.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:52:55 in World
“Don't play word games with me just to score a point. Distract and spin, that's what you do best.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:56:25
“HAH!
I post FACTS.. you just blather.”
I post FACTS.. you just blather.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:49:13 in World
“And so, you would have us escalate in Afghanistan and risk the lives of thousands of civilians there when combat intensifies? Huh?
We just need to draw this down. The mistake is not in leaving. The mistake is provoking more and more conflict. We've done some terrible things in the past 8 years. We can expect not to pay some price whether we stay and intensify combat or risk leaving. We will pay a price one way or another, but the more damage we do the higher the price!
We must leave and not get more embroiled and dig a deeper hole.”
We just need to draw this down. The mistake is not in leaving. The mistake is provoking more and more conflict. We've done some terrible things in the past 8 years. We can expect not to pay some price whether we stay and intensify combat or risk leaving. We will pay a price one way or another, but the more damage we do the higher the price!
We must leave and not get more embroiled and dig a deeper hole.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:53:37
“HOW???
HOW??????
HOW??????????”
HOW??????
HOW??????????”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:39:44 in World
“The deadline doesn't even hold water with people in his administration, nevery mind the military. It's laughable.
Everyone knows this is bogus and that a deadline can't be imposed at this time since this escalation could have unpredictable consequences, so unpredictable in fact that the forces might end up in Waziristan, Pakistan. So please stop with the naivité.”
Everyone knows this is bogus and that a deadline can't be imposed at this time since this escalation could have unpredictable consequences, so unpredictable in fact that the forces might end up in Waziristan, Pakistan. So please stop with the naivité.”
bilmardre replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 10:01:23
“Not setting a deadline is ridiculous. We have tried that. Seven years later we are still there. Everyone needs to know that this is it. The Generals are on board with the plan. Stabilize, train and get out. If the Taliban wants to lie low for two years thats fine. They can then deal with the forces we have trained. All we can do is put forth a honest effort by giving the resources that are needed. We can not stay there forever.
Your plan to just leave is irresponsible for many reasons, but putting in a half a$$ effort for 7 years then just saying oh, well we quit would make us the laughing stock of the World. Even sadder it would have those who lost loved ones over there asking why?”
Your plan to just leave is irresponsible for many reasons, but putting in a half a$$ effort for 7 years then just saying oh, well we quit would make us the laughing stock of the World. Even sadder it would have those who lost loved ones over there asking why?”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:52:50
“NAME them.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:31:38 in World
“Instead of repeating the same thing over and over. Read other opinions for a change.
http://www.alternet.org/world/144356/progressive_leaders_pan_obama%27s_decision_for_more_war_in_afghanistan_--_10_reactions”
http://www.alternet.org/world/144356/progressive_leaders_pan_obama%27s_decision_for_more_war_in_afghanistan_--_10_reactions”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:53:59
“LOL!!!!!
Physician, heal THYSELF.
.”
Physician, heal THYSELF.
.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:22:03 in World
“I waaasss complaining during the 7 years! You people with the same old excuse get boring. There is so much more justification on the "NO" escalation side than on the "YES" escalation side, it's unbelievable that this escalation is even getting any serious attention.
This is just laughable. And one more thing, you should be reading some opinions as to why this is a terrible idea, because that excuse doesn't hold water.”
This is just laughable. And one more thing, you should be reading some opinions as to why this is a terrible idea, because that excuse doesn't hold water.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:16:08 in World
“Of course not dum-dum! That's not what I'm saying...read! I'm saying the Whitehouse came up with this "bogus" date...which we obviously should question!
If they can't be trusted to tell us the truth regarding their motives for actually scheduling this date then they can't be trusted with the escalation aspect of it or the motives for that!”
If they can't be trusted to tell us the truth regarding their motives for actually scheduling this date then they can't be trusted with the escalation aspect of it or the motives for that!”
MOCONSERVATIVE replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:24:55
“Their only motive for announcing a date is a political one - to placate progressives.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:23:33
“"dumdum"????
lol!!
In YOUR "black & white" world.. there is either "bogus" or "concrete"... JUST the same worldview that BUSH held...
How about REALISTIC?
Ever try THAT as a point of departure?”
lol!!
In YOUR "black & white" world.. there is either "bogus" or "concrete"... JUST the same worldview that BUSH held...
How about REALISTIC?
Ever try THAT as a point of departure?”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:10:37 in World
“You're missing something....it's a ridiculous plan and will end up becoming a trap once the military, the Pentagon, McCain and Lieberman have their way with it.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:15:11
“YOU know this, yes?
Based on WHAT?”
Based on WHAT?”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 09:07:20 in World
“The other day I wrote that I expected the withdrawal date ( which apparently became July 2011) to be a moving goal post. The closer we'd get the farther it moves.
Doc, you stated the date was not locked in. Uh-uh, the Whitehouse actually locked in that date, and nobody's buying it. Not even the people who are part of the Administration. They're in the "uncomfortable" position of trying to get around the question without giving away that this date is based strictly on political expediency.
Everything about this escalation stinks!”
Doc, you stated the date was not locked in. Uh-uh, the Whitehouse actually locked in that date, and nobody's buying it. Not even the people who are part of the Administration. They're in the "uncomfortable" position of trying to get around the question without giving away that this date is based strictly on political expediency.
Everything about this escalation stinks!”
KarateKid replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 10:16:31
“I can't agree with you on this one, skialethia. I am completely against this conflict and its escalation, you know that, but in combat you put the soldier's lives MORE in danger if you announce an end date. Why not just give them a blueprint for what we are going to do? I feel we've ALREADY given them too much information, i.e. where the emphasis will be, when we will begin withdrawing.....you NEVER give the enemy an chance to fill the void and to time it.”
bilmardre replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:15:31
“What stinks is the 7 years that we have been dithering in Afghanistan wasting lives, money and time instead of resourcing it correctly and getting the job done. The President made a difficult decision a couple days ago. The situation in Afghanistan has been going on for 7 years, it did not start a couple days ago.
You should have been complaining 7 years ago, not waiting for President Obama to make a difficult decision which really had no good solutions.”
You should have been complaining 7 years ago, not waiting for President Obama to make a difficult decision which really had no good solutions.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:11:50
“GROW UP.
Do you HONESTLY think that a "HARD DATE" to end a WAR is anything but a CHILDISH assumption?
Cite a SINGLE instance in ALL of history where that has been the case.
This isn't a TRAIN schedule we're talking about.”
Do you HONESTLY think that a "HARD DATE" to end a WAR is anything but a CHILDISH assumption?
Cite a SINGLE instance in ALL of history where that has been the case.
This isn't a TRAIN schedule we're talking about.”
itsafreakingame replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:10:44
“true...so true”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:59:37 in World
“Lightening rarely strikes twice in one place.
Yes, Gen. Jim Jones was quite uncomfortable justifying this escalation plan to Blitzer the other day, and he appeared insincere as if he were reading from the same script everyone got, but didn't quite buy it.”
Yes, Gen. Jim Jones was quite uncomfortable justifying this escalation plan to Blitzer the other day, and he appeared insincere as if he were reading from the same script everyone got, but didn't quite buy it.”
dobriyden replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:39:39
“So you are also a mind reader.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:01:17
“You're blathering.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:53:55 in World
“Didn't you already state that you can't set a timetable or lock in a date? You're very confusing. And you know what, leaving then or leaving earlier, isn't going to make any difference, except that more people will perish in this for nothing! And you know very well the Right is going to demand some kind of "victory".
No-no-no! This is a bad, bad plan.”
No-no-no! This is a bad, bad plan.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:47:37 in World
“I was hoping to see your reply. Not bad!”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:45:33 in World
“And you call yourself "The Professor"? Please spare me your kind of education.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:42:57 in World
“Which begs the question: What do the rest of Americans survive on while they "su ck" our resources to engage in perpetual war?”
dobriyden replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:43:01
“Hope and Change.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:39:25 in World
“He's good and you know it. He's the enemy of apathy and apathy is exactly what Obama is counting on with the Left.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:48:08
“Did I say he wasn't good?
I've been a subscriber to his blog from day one... & I'm PROUD to have voted for him for the 2009 Puffin/Nation Prize for Creative Citizenship... which he WON.
He makes good points here.. but I believe his populist tack here is based on points that are just not true....
He predicates his opinion based on the assumption that Obama wants to "win" in Afghanistan.. which is not the case.”
I've been a subscriber to his blog from day one... & I'm PROUD to have voted for him for the 2009 Puffin/Nation Prize for Creative Citizenship... which he WON.
He makes good points here.. but I believe his populist tack here is based on points that are just not true....
He predicates his opinion based on the assumption that Obama wants to "win" in Afghanistan.. which is not the case.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:37:46 in World
“The decision has been made by Obama and company, but we're going to fight it all the way! It's not written in stone yet.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:41:16
“Yet YOU just "FEEL it in your GUT", yes?
Just like BUSH.”
Just like BUSH.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:30:24 in World
“Who'r you kidding? Once they send those troops over the plan is going to keep expanding, they'll find every excuse in the book. We're talking about an industry that survives on war, and a bunch of radicals who have a diabolical plan that they will do anything to advance. The fabrication of the Iraq war is the tip of the iceberg...it ain't over?
No, give them a foot and they'll take a yard, give them a yard and they'll take a mile.
This must end now!”
No, give them a foot and they'll take a yard, give them a yard and they'll take a mile.
This must end now!”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:40:40
“Really???
Show me this "PLAN"....
Again.. do you HONESTLY feel that President Obama wants to CONQUER Afghanistan????”
Show me this "PLAN"....
Again.. do you HONESTLY feel that President Obama wants to CONQUER Afghanistan????”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:23:54 in World
“Excellent article! He's fantastic!”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:33:20
“He IS great... but he is making an EMOTIONAL case where the FACTS are dictating the process.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:16:32 in World
“Poor Obama doesn't need another 30,000 troops to train the Afghan Army! And I find it hard to believe that the Afghans drove theRussians out and they can't seem to handle their civil war with theTaliban.....Puhleeeeeez!”
dobriyden replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:16:55
“Just ask the Russians.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:15:29 in World
“Poor Obama doesn't need another 30,000 troops to train the Afghan Army! And I find it hard to believe that the Afghans drove the Russians out and they can't seem to handle their civil war with the Taliban.....Puhleeeeeez!”
Countess replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 09:01:47
“You are assuming that Karzai represents Afghanistan when in fact he hardly represents anyone but the United States. The Afghans will drive all foreigners out despite what Obama, Clinton and the military says.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:20:49
“The Soviets were threadbare at the time.. & THEIR goals were not the same as Obama's (although they WERE the same as BUSH'S... FOSSIL FUELS & the conduits by which they could be transmitted).
Do you HONESTLY feel that President Obama wants to CONQUER Afghanistan??”
Do you HONESTLY feel that President Obama wants to CONQUER Afghanistan??”
ConcernCitizen replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:19:01
“I agree, we should'nt be in Afghan in the first place.., We can thank bush for that.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:11:17 in World
“Valid questions and points.
I just want to add this:
AlAnbar=Helmand province=Waziristan = some hot zone in Iran
In other words if we let the military, the Pentagon, McCain, Lieberman get there way, we'll be there for a long, long time.”
I just want to add this:
AlAnbar=Helmand province=Waziristan = some hot zone in Iran
In other words if we let the military, the Pentagon, McCain, Lieberman get there way, we'll be there for a long, long time.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:15:54
“Agreed.. which is why McChrystal did NOT get what he wanted no strings attached.
Our GOALS are different now... where there was once a silly assumption that we could "win" anything there.. NOW the goal is to LEAVE.”
Our GOALS are different now... where there was once a silly assumption that we could "win" anything there.. NOW the goal is to LEAVE.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 08:04:46 in World
“If I were the only one seeing this, okay, I might question my perception. But when many arrive at the same conclusion you kind of suspect the worst, that in fact, we're being played. And it's insulting really, because he keeps going to the right and making all these concession and then he turns around and throws a scrap our way, thinking it's going to satisfy.”
DocStrangelove replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:25:27
“Many more DON'T.”
Afghanistan Withdrawal Date: 'Flexible' Or 'Locked In'?
Commented Dec 04, 2009 at 07:59:00 in World
“You mean the Dictator, don't you?”
9Iron On The Green replied on Dec 04, 2009 at 08:06:27
“No, a real president.
One who has read and respects the Constitution.
One who will be respected by our soldiers and feared by our enemies.
Not like the doofus currently keeping the chair warm, and waging war on American businesses.”
One who has read and respects the Constitution.
One who will be respected by our soldiers and feared by our enemies.
Not like the doofus currently keeping the chair warm, and waging war on American businesses.”
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