“The bible is a book of philosophy. How can you claim that your argument is anything but philosophical. This is a perfect example of the lengths people like your will go to just to twist the argument to your advantage. It might work on some, but not me.
If the only evidence you have for Heaven is a book that was written by desert dwellers 2000 years ago, or so the story goes, than you are in real trouble trying to float that boat.”
“Can I disprove what? The promise of rewards after death for living a certain way? No I cannot, but to believe in something because I have nothing to lose by not believing in it is Pascal's Wager, and is a 15th century logical fallacy that isn't enough to convince me that the god of the desert is real.”
I mean from my point of view, religion sells you the idea that heaven is a place and asks you to live a certain way, but what if it's not true, and it's just a gimmick to get your to show allegiance to the idea of a godly father figure. Religious people tend to vote a certain way. What if it's more about nationalism and politics than spiritual salvation.”
craftycrow on May 16, 2011 at 12:08:34
“Can you disprove it?”
jgeurian21 on May 16, 2011 at 12:04:33
“I think the bigger question is can you not prove it? Simply saying something can't exist because you cannot prove it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Take for example 1,000 years ago people couldn't prove that bacteria or viruses existed. 100 years ago people couldn't prove that quarks existed. And right now people can't prove that Dark Matter or Dark Energy or the higgs boson particle exists. Does that mean that none of those things existed: of course not. We simply have to expand our knowledge to see that we really know very little about our environment. To lift a quote from a movie "Maybe one day I will pick a rock up and it will say "Made by God".”
“I've never read the Selfish Gene, and i cannot say for certain that he exists, but that in itself isn't enough of a reason for me to believe in the god of the desert.
If pascal's wager is what keeps you believing, that is your decision, but it is a logical fallacy that you might be interested in reading up on. If for nothing else than to understand where I am coming from whether you agree or disagree.”
“"As long as people aren't harming another person, let them think what they will. "
When people believe the end of the world is coming and sit around with their head in the sand refusing to help make the world a better place because Jesus is coming to save us, then it hurts everyone.”
“"Look at what's done with virtualization in computers....if our minds are just software (as I do agree), then there really are no boundaries related to that."
The mind is the hardware. The software would be the ideas society programs us with. Our concepts of right and wrong, good and bad, are all dualistic philosophical ideas we are programmed with from birth. The very idea of heaven was planted in your mind the same way the Easter bunny and Santa Claus was.”
QuarkGluonSoup on May 16, 2011 at 11:15:42
“This a philosophical argument (ie based on 'faith' rather than proof).”
Pucker on May 16, 2011 at 11:06:18
“I've read the Selfish Gene too, and am very familiar with what a meme is.
Look....If you can say with absolute certainty that there is, or is NOT a creator, then let me know, because then I'll know to ignore everything you say. Fundies come from all sides.”
“So your answer is to invoke Pascal's Wager? Another discredited logical fallacy.”
Kramerica Industries on May 16, 2011 at 11:39:01
“BIIIIIIIIIIIIINGO! +1 for calling out logical fallacies (which are, by definition, the necessary root for people of all faith to say, "Hey! I am right because I SAY SO. You are wrong becuase you don't agree with what I say!"
I only hope that humanity will be around long enough to evolve beyond the oral traditions of scaring the masses into trebling subjugation. Don't get me wrong; religion has it's place. After all, it has promoted a sense of social identity and social commonality, thereby increasing the chances of our offspring's survival. But, it's also incited wars and promulgated the murder of countless tens of millions in the name of one group's "truth" over another. It's part of our social evolution that's helped us survive thus far; now it's time for reality to set in and move our species forward.”
“The part of the tea party I call grassroots is the part that donated on December 16, 2007 to Ron Paul's campaign. That part of the tea party wanted a non interventionist foreign policy. The tea party that you have now has been co-opeted by the same damn Neocons that were stroking Bush's ego for 8 years, and they won't touch the military budget, of course, but I think I made that point quite clear in my original comment.
What you are talking about is the take over of the tea party by billionaires. There was a small window of time, when this was not the case, and I think it's sad. Are we ever going to tackle our expanding warfare state? Or are we going to be in war for the rest of my life? I would say as long as BOTH parties are sell outs to the corporations that we will stay at war!”
“these fools are fighting over a small percentage of the budget.. it's a staged show is all. The real waste is in the military budget, and it's off the table.
This "tea party" is not the original Ron Paul tea party that wanted a non interventionist foreign policy. This is a sham, a corporate take over of a once grassroots movement.”
namora on Apr 6, 2011 at 14:53:28
“What part of the tea party do you consider 'grass roots'? Is it the astro-turf bunch rounded up by Dick Armi or the Koch Bros. faction? Just as the Republican party has no commonality with the party of Eisenhower and Goldwater this lot bare little resemblance to the libertarian platform. When you become a fringe group you run the risk of being co-opted and mowed down by opportunists like Gov Walker and that grifter in Florida. Course until we get strict public financing of campaigns our whole legislature is up for sale.”
blackraisin on Apr 6, 2011 at 12:28:43
“We need big cuts to the Military Budget, but big cuts elsewhere as well.”
“You really do show your lack of understanding with this comment "The idea that internet pirates are too smart to ever be stopped is laughable."
If this were true, then every time a company comes up with a new encryption scheme, then it wouldn't be broken within days, or usually HOURS. The fact is there are alot of smart people out there who will work tirelessly against any form or government or corporate control. We as humans have been controlled in some shape or from for millenia. Regardless of the economic profit you see in controlling the content people are allowed to consume, it won't change the fact that people will always fight against control. If laws and regulations worked, then there wouldn't be any drugs on the streets after over 40 years of the drug war.
“The end of the internet as we know it is upon us. Welcome to the internet of the 21st century. A virtual mall for everyone patrolled by the corporate police in our government.”
Chauncey Love on Feb 1, 2011 at 20:19:30
“That's a good thing. People get paid for their work. The internet as it pertains to entertainment should be a mall unless those who want to provide entertainment wish to do it for free or virtually free a la flash games.
End of the internet as we know it? Yeah probably. But in reality just catching up to the analog world.”
“the point is to show the collusion between the government and the corporations. In effect, it exposes the corporate state.”
Big0725 on Jan 2, 2011 at 20:19:59
“My goodness you are a naive one. EVERY Western country pushes for their industry to do as well as possible. Wake up and smell the coffee little boy. Or start your own country.”
Walter H on Jan 2, 2011 at 20:12:20
Anne Mccormick on Jan 2, 2011 at 20:10:15
“you think the United States is the only country that does this? wake up! France, Germany, Italy, Great Britain, Russia, China, Canada, and a whole lot of other nations do the same thing. it's called looking after our interests.”