“Rather than increase security measures in congress maybe we should do away with them altogether and leave them open to the public at large? Maybe it would force our politicians to be more civil and accountable for their actions?”
“I for one cringe when I hear other gay people say we're being forced to the 'back of the bus'. The back of the bus was a real experience for people, not a metaphor. In California, the Supreme Court has twice affirmed our equal right to recognition of our relationships under state law. The messed up proposition process stripped away the word 'marriage'. Continuing to focus on the 'word' and not the 'right' will only create another decades long culture war. Trying to convince people who find the 'gay lifestyle' abhorrent that we are 'just like them' will never work and only alienate them. Trying to convince them from a rational standpoint that we deserve equal recognition under the law may never work because they don't believe in or understand separation of church and state. Civil rights legislation made every race equal under the law but it certainly didn't end discrimination or bigotry in one fell swoop. We fought for civil unions & domestic partnerships. Let's spend our time and money making them equal. Read my blog at:
“People who engage in sodomite relationships are NOT 'just like me' and I resent being told that
I should be 'just like them'. Because I am not. My brain has not been conditioned by that behavior.
If that makes me a 'bigoted homophobe' so be it. But you are just projecting your own alienation.”
GlennInVenice on Nov 12, 2009 at 14:17:09
“You put too much credence on the conservative claim that it is only the “sacred” word marriage that they are fighting for. They have to put up an argument to disguise their core hatred of homosexuals and that is just one of them. Just try to remove marriage from all civil texts and watch them fight just as they are claiming political correctness is stealing their “Christmas”. You might believe in separation of church and state and feel that giving them the word marriage and using only civil unions in matters of legislation and legal precedence they will be satisfied, but this is a group still fighting to have the Ten Commandments on display in court houses.
If we change tactics, as you say, so will the opposition. Their rhetoric will change to one of how civil unions and or domestic partnerships threaten society and the family. This will especially be true when we fight for the federal rights, which are the ones that are life changing for gay and lesbian families.
I respect your point of view but I think it naïve. You do have to pick your battles. Mine is about full equality. It is also my intention to come out of this civil rights movement with my dignity intact. Sorry to make you cringe but (warning: metaphors ahead), I will not continue to sit at the back of the bus or not sit at the same table or be separate but equal. Wrong then. Wrong now.”
“for an alternative approach to the never-ending political battles over gay marriage in California, which will be the result of continuing ballot amendments to redefine the word marriage, see my blog at:
“anyone who thinks this decision was made in haste ofter the DOJ filing doesn't understand government. Obama can't overturn DOMA or DADT without Congress. Are you old enough to remember how Clinton lost the health care initiative and control of congress after trying to end military discrimination and we ended up with DADT? Politics is a game. Obama is playing the game better than Rove. It might take a bit longer to overturn both but he doesn't want to repeat Clinton's mistakes and end up setting things back years. The DOJ filing was harsh but it was a bad lawsuit that stood no chance of winning. He didn't kill it. It was dead on the water. Do you think the supreme court is ready to overturn DADT? No. But if we get the right high profile case and same-sex benefits for federal employees it sets a precedent. And for gosh sake, let's stop with the 'back-of-the-bus' analogies. Have you ever actually had to ride the back of a bus or drink out of a different water fountain or stay at a different hotel than the one you clean the rooms in? The back of the bus is not a metaphor, it's someone's horrible memory. Write your congressperson. Come out of the closet!”
Anti2501 on Jun 16, 2009 at 23:27:47
“Obama could halt the firings of gays in the military with the stroke of a pen. Not overturn the thing, but he has the authority to stop loss. Right now. If he wants this gay on his side (who campaigned for him with both my money and my time), that's what he needs to do, because nothing less is going to win me back after hislast few months of procrastination and open dismissal of our arguments.”