“"Now if a gun was left out by accident or a child was able to brake into the hiding place of the parents gun, It is not the parents fault."
Yes it is. If the gun was not properly locked up or hidden or left out, it absolutely is the parents fault.
"how many times have you heard of a child able to get the parents car keys or that they broke into the parents Liquor cabinet it happens so then what. "
Depending on the exact circumstances many times the parents are held accountable.
" Also what you seem to forget people that have never fired a gun or owned one do thake classes for it."
And yet, not everyone is required to, or does. It should be mandatory and have standard requirements. Also a Police Officer is constantly trained, and yet only hits their exact target 30% of the time in "real life".
"You can take a ton of safety course, but anything can happen. jsut like anything can happen to you by just simply driving to work"
So according to you, don't bother doing anything to improve the tracking, use, handling and responsibilities of gun ownership........because, you know, things can happen.
So, you're lazy and have no substantial evidence that nothing can be improved upon. Got it. Good luck to you!”
meztiso on Jun 3, 2014 at 20:45:34
“Actually it made my local news. But the best was a kid who took his parents car & went for a joy ride "SYRACUSE, Utah — Police were involved in a pursuit of a car Saturday, and dramatic video from a FOX 13 News viewer shows the car speeding across the grass of Founders Park as children frantically move out of the way.
The chase ended around 6:12 p.m. at 1500 S. Banbury Drive in Syracuse, and police officials said a minor had taken the vehicle without permission and officers sought the vehicle on a breach of trust.". Your point is well take, your right you have tons of safety classes, but guess what there will always be someone that will figure or forget to do something, After all aren't we all humans. One could say the samething with cars, i remember taking a drivers ed course for safety yet the was hit in the rear. How many times have you heard don't drink & drive, yet you have people that still do it You say I am lazy, I have not seen any FACTS from either. Look Accidents happen. I sure as heck didn't see HP or you say anything when Fast & Furious was going on an that was just sellin automatic weapons to the Mexican Drug Cartel. Now think how many people died due to what the The US Justice Dept did”
“The second amendment was not designed for "personal defense" it was designed to have an armed militia that would rallied by the government to protect the country at large.”
CassidyK on Jun 3, 2014 at 23:21:17
“"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."
- Thomas Jefferson
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson
"The laws that forbid the carrying of arms are laws of such a nature. They disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man."
- Thomas Jefferson (quoting 18th century criminologist Cesare Beccaria)
“Self-defense can be an important crime deterrent,”says a new report by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). The $10 million study was commissioned by President Barack Obama as part of 23 executive orders he signed in January 2013.”
“LOL, I love all of your excuses. The main issue with Chicago is that the next state over has dramatically different gun laws. Gun laws don't work town by town or state by state.
You're correct that Australia is different, but not by much. I've been their numerous times. But your point would be?
PS, a law never stops anything from happening, it does however show there are consequences.
Currently we have almost no consequences for "accidental" murder. (one kid murders another kid because daddy's gun was left out. Why doesn't daddy go to prison for murder?)
Currently its more difficult to drive a car then it is to buy and operate a gun. Why shouldn't gun owners have to have proof they can operate a gun safely, have the gun registered and have insurance in case of "accidental" murder, just like a car?
This would only restrict gun ownership from those who cannot operate one, but also create responsibility where the responsibility lies.”
meztiso on Jun 3, 2014 at 16:05:47
“Please the next state might have relaxed gun laws, but guess what not in Chicago. Hust like NYC they have strick gun laws, but if you bring in a gun even by accident you have broker their, like wise in Chicago./ You are right a Law never stops guns from coming in nor does it stop a Crimial from using it. Now if a gun was left out by accident or a child was able to brake into the hiding place of the parents gun, It is not the parents fault. How many times have you heard of a child able to get the parents car keys or that they broke into the parents Liquor cabinet it happens so then what. Also what you seem to forget people that have never fired a gun or owned one do thake classes for it. I have a brother-in-law that teaches, gun safety and the most important part is "safety" from making sure it has a triger lock to making that safety is on. On rifles he teaches to shot gun the Rifle & to make sure that there in the chamber. You can take a ton of safety course, but anything can happen. jsut like anything can happen to you by just simply driving to work”
“I'm 52. Lived in LA, Chicago, NYC, Ithaca and Phoenix. I've never ever carried a weapon and I've never ever needed it. I was trained as a kid how to operate guns properly by my father who was a police officer.
You do know that many of the "wild west" towns did not allow you to carry a gun, right? You also know that the law of "gun free zones" don't work because the town next door has no regulations, right?
If you were required to be tested to be licensed, just like driving a car, and required to carry insurance for any "accident" you may cause with your gun, fine. At least you'd be a little responsible.
And you haven't heard of any shoot outs lately? Where have you been hiding, under a rock?”
CassidyK on Jun 3, 2014 at 02:30:41
“Cite the "shootouts".
The "wild west towns" did not have the benefit of law beyond the whims of the sheriff.”
“Just because something is a constitutional right doesn't me you get to do whatever you please with it.
It would not be against the constitutional right to require you to be tested on it, licensed and required to carry insurance. All of which we should do, if we want to be a more responsible nation.”
Edge of the Edge on Jun 3, 2014 at 10:09:57
“Couldnt agree more Tim. Just because something is a right doesnt mean you can do what ever you want.
In regards to the 2nd Amendment, there is a lot of case law from the supreme courts that have determined what can an cannot be done and the scope of it.
A lot of people would disagree about testing and training as a requirement to purchasing a gun or a least a first time buyer. I how ever would not be against it. I spent time in the military and was a firearms instructor and now Im in a career that requires me to carry gun and I do a lot of training, So Im a huge supporter of training as I know first hand how crucial training and knowing your equipment is.
The hard part would be to convince the other 100 million plus gun owners.”
FM5 on Jun 3, 2014 at 02:01:42
“So it would not be against the constitution to require you to be tested on current events and be registered to vote correct? Which we should do if we want to be a more responsible nation.”
“The only reason the no gun policy doesn't work is because its only one town. Make it the whole country and it will start to work, or at least we need to have standards from coast to coast. And please don't come back with the typical "but you'll never stop them all so don't do anything" theory. Check out what Australia did.
PS do you have any facts to support your theory of the "no gun/get robbed"?”
“"God said Christians are to call the sin for what it is and that the Christians will judge the world and that Christians cannot be judge because their sins have been forgiven and never to be brought up again. God said the unrighteous will not enter into Heaven! "
Wow, having studied the Bible for many years and being an Ordained Minister, I've totally missed that specific verse. Can you please give me the Chapter and Verse please?
Here are a few actual versus from the Bible:
1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. Mk. 4.24
3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?
4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye?
5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
6 ¶ Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.”
Steven E on Jun 3, 2014 at 12:28:40
“Was you ordained by man or by God? Any man can become an ordained minister for free and start their own church, even Charlie Manson.
1. Judge not, that ye be judged. We are not to judge their motives because we cannot see motives or what they are thinking so it God who condemns because he can see all. Did i not say, they shouldn't be treated differently?
(John 7:24) Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
2. There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. Where is that judgment at?
(1 Corinthians 6:9-10) Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
Read it! What is sin? Do you change murder and call it women's choice? You can changed the name, but it will not change what God called it. If God called it an abomination shall you call it something else when you get to that verse or call it exactly as God did?”
“What if find even more interesting? Someone who puts their entire stock and worth in a human written book that is over 2000 years old. And to top that off, you'll never be able to find a single "church" that doesn't go against the New Testament in at least one way.”