Sep 12, 2013 at 13:52:54
“As a TM teacher, I say that the TM course fee is definitely not geared toward the 1%. The TM organization operates at break even and is strictly non-profit (501c3). The course fee is set at what it actually cost to make the program available, and not a penny more. No one has ever made a profit from teaching TM. It's like working for the Peace Core. You do it for the love of teaching, not for the money. There are grants available for people who can't afford the course fee. You know, there are many things that cost more than TM: your computer, a beat-up used car, a weekend vacation, a good mountain bike, and so on. These are not things geared necessarily toward the 1%. Because of the non-profit set up, anyone who wants to learn TM can learn.”
Saijanai on Sep 12, 2013 at 15:52:59
“Well,I recall Maharishi's lecture where he explicitly said that he was setting the fee so high because the elite of the world need to become more spiritual and "the rich don't shop in poor stores."
If the goal of the TM organization was to make money at this point and make lots of initiations directly though dealing with the middle class, they would lower the price drastically and advertise more effectively, but they don't. They're looking to entice Rupert Murdoch to meditate because he wouldn't bother learning if the price was set more reasonable for everyone else.
In order to make it available to everyone else, there's the David Lynch Foundation, and other groups who help make up the price difference when a non-elite walks through the door. THe Rupert Murdochs donate to the DLF and/or set up their own foundations to help lower the price for everyone else..
This is actually marketing 101. If you want wealthy and influential people to purchase a product, you set the price extremely high.
The lowered pricing structure that now exists on the TM.org website is in response to pressure from TM teachers who want to teach normal people, not just movie stars.”
Sep 12, 2013 at 13:30:01
“Hi, Larry. Call TM whatever you want, no problem.
The scientific research actually shows that the neuro-physiological state associated with TM is not a state of hypnosis. During hypnosis, you do not see alpha coherence in the prefrontal cortex, or the deep levels of relaxation measured by significant drops in cortisol, plasma lactate, metabolic rate, etc., as consistently seen in TM. Hypnosis has not been shown to effectively reduce hypertension, as TM has (see American Heart Association report).
Physiologically, hypnotic trance or auto-suggestion is non-distinctive, and is nothing like the natural mind-body state produced during TM. This is an empirical fact evident from hundreds of research studies.
I have been practicing TM for 40 years plus. Teaching it for nearly as long. I practiced Zen and other kinds of meditation in my life also. TM has been, for me, far more transformative. And I see its life-transforming effects every day in people that I teach. So, just to let you know, you have your opinion, which I respect, but you might want to consider a closer look. Many, many people find it profoundly life-transforming.”
larry cifuentes on Sep 15, 2013 at 11:59:34
“MY dear fellow,
Man's self awakening takes place at all ages on one's life. And that, that is self awakening, is to know how and why a meditation exercise like TM works or not.
Simply, awakening is to give tangible explanation, so that any person can have tangible results.
Teaching anything and claiming to have profound results, isn't anything new.
If the great preacher John Wesley were around would say so and how later in his life awakened to the reality of having preached unreality.
BTW keep in mind any self-transforming effects in a merry go round and make believe LV like place, is just make believe.”
“There's closings of at least two major campgrounds in the Smokies, so far, and in many park areas there are now no rangers present. As a result, people are feeding the bears unrestrictedly in some places on the Tennessee side and the bears are starting to just wait along the roadside for people to feed them. Same with the Elk, who are now approaching parked cars and inserting their heads in the windows looking for people to feed them. The park is not supplying salt licks for the Elk so they are licking salt off the tires and sides of vehicle's (that have collected salt from the winter roads). THANKS, REPUBLICANS!”
PPPELOSI on Apr 2, 2013 at 10:53:37
“In other words, wild animals are having to find their own food...the irony of universal government dependency.”
“Judge not least ye be judged. All the righteousness-soaked comments here, come on, people....let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Don't forget: Lance remains the most competent tactical cyclist in the history of the sport. He didn't win through doping alone. The fact that all his competitors were doing it doesn't make it right, but as he said: he didn't invent the culture. His mistake was that he embraced it. As did hundreds of others in those Tours. A little human compassion is in order here. The man is suffering and is facing the most difficult moment of his life. I respect Lance for coming clean and opening up. He lied to me, too, but I don't take it personally. It wasn't about me, it was about him and his own needs. It's as if people are mad at him and taking it personally, as if it were about them. I believe he's truly sorry for the lives he's damaged. That was wrong. But none of us can avoid our karma.”
msuettmann on Jan 19, 2013 at 19:39:21
“I like your comment.”
kanook67 on Jan 19, 2013 at 10:01:48
“"I believe he's truly sorry for the lives he's damaged."
Not sorry enough to pay back the money he won in lawsuits against many good honest people who's lives he stomped on and ruined though. It would take a "real" man to do that.”
“Brave? You can bet there's some self-centered reason he's doing this. It's not to make ammends. It's not because he's truely sorry for doing it. Most likely because he was going to be outed in another way that he couldn't deny, so he thought he'd try to save face and come out first. Don't trust this man.”
“as usual the huffpo headline has nothing to do with the actual content”
Madagain on Dec 29, 2012 at 13:31:27
“I think, tommckinlyball, it is a journalists tool, to get people to respond to their article, or at least view it. The reason I say this, is that once, a few months ago, a US retired judge did this same thing. When I called him out on it, he openly admitted that that is exactly what he did. He said without the glairing headlines/comments (everyone is using now) good articles get over looked. He was right, and his actual comments were very good, although what grabbed my attention, in all honesty, was the missleading and exagerated headline, on his blog. After all, we are both on this thread, are we not?”
cuoi on Dec 29, 2012 at 12:54:12
“Nevermind the content, focus on comments. That's where it's at...”
“good idea. except, maybe the hunter should use a knife or stone to do the final kill, or use his bare hands, if he is a real man. guns are for sissies. if the animal is asleep the mighty hunter might have the b@##s then to do the deed.”
“Just so you'll know, not EVERYONE in Asheville is, well, insane. We have a great meditation center (www.MeditationAsheville.org) and a huge yoga community.”
censeo on Dec 24, 2012 at 16:47:25
“Asheville is the Shiz. So surprising that there's a prominent Tea T sucking contingent there.”
Tom58 on Dec 20, 2012 at 15:24:16
“How about organizing pickets for this event?”
CLEMSONfan on Dec 20, 2012 at 15:15:53
“I live about 120 miles from Asheville and have visited your city many times. This is totally out of character for your city. The Asheville I know is one of the most progressive and liberal cities in the south. I guess these tbaggers are everywhere. I wouldn't have been surprised by this in any other city in the south.”
Ben Ro on Dec 20, 2012 at 15:12:18
“thanks Tom I was beging to think NC is as bad as AZ and TX”
“"TM pays for studies or lobbies for them"—untrue. You can't lobby a peer-reviewed journal: getting published is entirely up to the independent scientists overseeing the blind, peer-review process. The non-profit foundation that teaches TM has never funded a study. Most funding over the past 20 years has come from the NIH.
Is TM "superior?" That may be some people's opinion. There are no such statements in the TM literature and as a TM teacher I would never say that. Everyone decides for themselves what technique is best for them. Though some people may use the research as an indication.
Is TM overpriced? I teach people every week who value it highly and feel the tuition is an incredibly great deal considering what you get from the course: an effortless practice, profoundly effective, that you'll benefit from every day of your life; comprehensive, well-organized knowledge about meditation, consciousness and enlightenment; and a lifetime of guidance and follow-up at no further cost.
Deceptive propaganda exists in the eye of the beholder. I see a mission-driven organization dedicated to helping others, giving scholarships and grants to people who want to learn but can't afford the tuition.
“Uh, actually, the main difference between the TM financial structure and multi-level marketing is that with MLM, the idea is that some people in the up line will make some money off the product sales, and with TM, no one makes any profit, from the bottom to the top, and no one ever has. All the money goes to make the benefits of meditation available to more people, and if you can't afford the tuition for the classes then you can apply for grants and scholarships. It's a strictly non-profit organization.”
TM is all about profit. Try finding any information about how it's practiced on the internet. You won't. It's all about the money. It's a cult.
There are plenty of safe and free forms of meditation, that don't require the money and devotion that TM does.”
Ailton on Nov 14, 2012 at 20:41:30
“remember the yogi with 65 rolls royces in Utah? that's the guy with all the money. He also had a private jet, which his girl friend took to Paris when she ran away from the compound. John Lennon said many years ago about the for profit tm. When you start taking money, you become very close to a religious sect. You lose credibility. I do meditate and it does help me, but I do not do tm and I do not think it's worth paying for meditation.”
Jeremy Bursac on Nov 14, 2012 at 17:40:51
“I don't care. Money goes to salaries. It is not necessary in any way to pay to meditate or to learn to meditate. The magic mantra is nonsense.
And like many "non profits," TM has vast campuses and holdings.
“I think the following links address all the questions raised in the comments below. All of them fairly reasonable questions, I think, if you don't understand how TM is different from other forms of meditation and why it requires personal instruction and a series of classes to learn.
Nov 9, 2012 at 07:21:31
“Thanks, Charles. I was searching Google scholar and PubMed for peer-reviewed journals showing research on the effects of meditation on intelligence and creativity. I've found the following peer-reviewed studies on Transcendental Meditation, IQ and creativity [Personality and Individual Differences 12: 1105–1116, 1991;Education 107 (1986): 49–54; Education 109 (1989): 302–304; Journal of Social Behavior and Personality (6: 189–248, 1991); The Journal of Creative Behavior 13: 169–180, 1979]. I would like to compare the effects of mindfulness techniques to TM but I only find a few theoretical papers on various mindfulness practices, no actual peer-reviewed studies. I was wondering if you could direct me?”
“you're absolutely wrong that there is no science to back the GMO movement. you have fallen for Monsanto's propaganda. the science that has been done on the effects of GMO clearly shows cause for alarm. critical thinking in this case was suppressed by by the $45M spent on brainwashing Californians.”
KrustySanchez on Nov 8, 2012 at 13:50:50
“False. GMO products currently on the market have undergone extensive testing and been proved safe.
Your side has laughable studies like the French one which was mocked by scientists on both sides of the question. They used rats with a propensity to tumors in such small numbers that they were guaranteed to get the result they obviously wanted. They even went further down the anti-science path by showing scary pictures of the tumors to scare people, when the rats often _normally_ get those tumors no matter what they feed them.”
“"terribly written proposal?" your comment is a load of unfounded pseudoscience, parroting the propaganda of the anti-science, research abusing GMO industry. to associate the anti-GMO movement with climate change deniers, evolution deniers etc is a cliche move on part of Monsanto mouthpieces.”