wolverine442's Comments (26)

“AMEN! Brother”

“These comments throughout the threads that "its only been 6 months" and 'change doesn't happen quickly" is BS. The equal rights movement didn't suddenly start when Obama was elected. 6 months is the tip of the iceberg. The equal rights movement does not stop or start with the election of a president, it has been going on tirelessly for decades. It just so happens that we have finally grown collectively loud enough that a majority of people just started hearing us 6 months ago.”

“I work in a west LA hospital, Almost every pharmacy contacted today in west LA was out of both Tamiflu and Relenza. It is being rationed by the wholesalers at this point. 12 courses per pharmacy per week we were told as of 11am today.”

“Actually, his actions are hurting ALL of us!”

“Ummm.... yo peeps, Bill O, Limbaugh and friends have been fueling this gay vs AA storyline for days and we are falling into their mentality.

THIS IS A FALSE ARGUMENT.

We are doing exactly...­i'll say it again EXACTLY what the conservatives want us to do. Cause division within ourselves so that they can come down in one foul swoop and conquer. STOP STOP STOP!!

We have come too far in our collective fights to let this happen now. Take a step back and breathe. This is a civil rights issue and it should be something that we can ALL fight for...gay, straight, black white....t­his is a civil right!”

“This can be very positive. The HRC issues a 'report card' on who support and who does not support equality for the glbt community. It does make me think about where to buy and who to do business with. Big business got wind of it and now actively 'compete' at who can be more gay friendly. Ahhhhh ...the power of the almighty dollar and the 'dinks'”

“I find it a bit disturbing that there is talk here that we need to bring this up to another vote or have another proposition put on the ballot to invalidate prop 8. This is not the direction we need to go. We are setting ourselves up for a long and protracted battle. Civil rights cannot be determined by the winds of politics at the time. Can you imagine the craziness that would ensue? One election cycle your allowed to have civil rights and the next election cycle you are not, depending on who runs the best campaign. No NO NOOOOOO. We are standing on the edge of a cliff people. Some want to jump, others want to dither and still others want the courts to pull us back from the edge. Cooler heads prevail, the courts are a clear representation of that.”

“I agree. Go to any gay restaurant or bar in Los Angeles and the patrons there, gay or straight, are all as diverse as the U.N.”

“Civil rights are not owned by any ONE or SEVERAL minorities, It is owned by ALL of US. period. exclamation point.”

“That is a beautiful statement. We are on the side of justice and we will prevail. Someday soon the states will be united on this issue. I emailed this statement to everyone i know in my contact list.”

“Joe,

There are so many holes in your argument that anyone who reads it deems it ridiculous.

One question though, If the Mormons have suffered discrimination at the hands of others and then go and do that same thing to another group of individuals, aren't you a hypocrite?

Here's another one to rattle around in your brain for awhile.

Let's say that a well funded group goes out and collects enough signatures to put a proposition on the ballot that says " eliminates the rights of Mormons to organize and/or conduct services in the state of California­....."

The group then goes out and raises crazy amounts of money from very wealthy hollywood types and others to run a concerted effort to demonize mormons and make up crazy lies,

The prop passes, not because you were right, but the other group ran a bigoted campaign that was fueled by fear.

sorry pal the majority voted!

how would you react? how would you get over it.

Majority rule can never decide civil rights, period!”

“I was worried that i wouldn't have anything to pour my energy into after the election, looks like i was wrong, the fight goes on!!”

“Buzz this one up folks!!!”

“amen! lol”

“Don't ask don't tell! Being gay does not make one unpatriotic or less willing to serve”

“hehee .....tradi­tion...tha­t's rich. Study the civil war and the civil rights war and then get back to me on "traditions"”

“The Christian conservatives that like to frame this debate as " oh shut up gays, the majority has spoken!" better take a good long hard look at the life of Jesus Christ. He met an abrupt end by majority rule.
I find is funny that Christians, who spent hundreds of years being persecuted before they were accepted justify themselves by throwing their religion at others and doing the same thing that they suffered from. The other crazy accusation that i hear is "you gays need to stop shoving your lives down our throats"

flip it kids

"you straights need to stop shoving your lives down our throats"

see TWO SIDES. That kind of talk is nuts.”

“This country was not founded on majority rule. It was founded on a conglomeration of disaffected minorities. The 13 colonies couldn't have been more different in social attitudes. Yet they found common ground and joined up to fight the tyranny of the majority ( the royal british crown). They created the single most important document in modern history. It guarantees that the minority will not be oppressed or stripped of rights by the majority. That's the structure of our society and government. It is a representative democracy or as we refer to it as a republic. Direct democracy, majority rule, is nothing more than mob rule. Jesus himself can testify to the horrors of that reality. There was no liberty and justice for him just what the majority of the crowd wanted to happen, whether right or wrong, no check, no balance. We cannot go down this road. We don't even sentence criminals in this country with simple majority rule. That argument can never 'hold water'.”

“I'm going to go out on a limb here. I know that there are many of us in the gay community that grew up in organized religion. Many of us abandoned it after we accepted ourselves simply because of the intolerance. We never decided to stay and fight. Instead we left and let the intolerant brew more intolerance and hate. Maybe we need to go back. I know it is hard to stomach, very hard (as a catholic) but i think we can agree that change comes from within. For me, i still consider my self a catholic and a child of God. I just don't go to church anymore. Does is make me less a child of God? I don't think so. My sense of right and wrong has not wavered. I'm going to return this weekend and I'm bringing my husband with me. I will celebrate mass with him and the parish. If i hear hatred and intolerance, so be it, I'm not going to leave and they can't force me. They can pray for me and I for them but no one can kick me out of my own religion.”

“he is very likely our next governor”

“Me too Kelly! I'm just worried about the Inland Empire vote. The coastal counties are blue, we need to get the vote out on this to overturn the red county votes to the east. I've even seen no on 8 in orange county.”

“I phone banked yesterday for 'no on prop 8' I was expecting there to be a lot of push back on the issue. I made Hundreds of calls, about 40% actually answered the phone. I recorded 3 people that will vote yes on 8, The rest were voting no. It was very heartening to hear the encouragement from people supporting the cause to defeat 8. I think the earlier polls had shown a true reflection of the Californian electorate. A majority did not want to write discrimination into the California Constitution.

Unfortunately we were caught off guard by the influx of money from out of state contributers (focus on the family, Dobson and his ilk) that wants to pass this proposition. Now that their arguments are being debunked and proven false, I can only pray that the electorate will not be swayed by the closed-mindedness of out-of-staters. I also pray that a so-called 'Bradley effect' is not going on here, saying one thing and doing another.

I urge everyone here that resides in California to vote no on 8 and tell your friends and co-workers to do the same!! Get to the polls early!”

“I grew up in Youngstown Ohio (mahoning county) and my parents now live in Columbiana county. I am a life long Democrat. I'm now 31 living in Los Angeles because I could not live my life there. I worked on Clinton's campaign in 92, going door to door, before i could even vote, I worked on his 96 race. I worked for Gore in 2000. I visit regularly and my whole family lives there.

I can tell you that Ohio will probably not go for Obama. ( I really hate saying that)

I have never had such a hard time convincing supposed democrats to vote democrat this time around. This is usually a 'vote the party' area. You can't even run locally as a republican and expect to be elected. There is racism alive and well there.

The Bradley effect is alive and well.

There is racial division like i've never seen. The mistrust is rampant. Un-employment is high, whole neighborhoods are in foreclosure and crime is through the roof. People are searching for scapegoats out there. If Barack cannot carry Mahoning county with at least a 60/40 margin he's done in the state.

Hillary and Biden are the ones he needs to send there on a regular basis. (HIllary was at YSU today). Biden needs to stress his catholic roots and Hillary needs to tie Obama directly to BIll's economic record. The Clinton's are like Gods in that area.”

“I think Obama should invite this lady along for a day or two of campaigning with him.

Its all about the hearts and minds people.

If he can get through to her and she changes her mind, it will go along way to putting these ridiculous fears about Obama to rest. Its far to easy to poke fun at her, but what to you expect of someone who has been probably watching fox news for years?”

“Joe,

I am so profoundly grateful that a person of your substance is going to be our next Vice President. You are a great American. There is no glitter or glamour about you. Everything you are is laid bare for all of us to see. and what it reveals is that you are human, and that should not amaze or astound anyone. It just means you are who you are, down to earth and a godsend to regular people everywhere. Your life experiences legitimize your wisdom and warmth. It speaks volumes about what people can say about you, but leaves the naysayers, well i dunno...it just leaves them.”