“The saying "Die or get high", meant more than losing your cultures narrative. More like a virgin birth on a surf board. Then all is well that ends well, and a heck of a lot better that going to the latest war, and....”
“Exactly, as long as people don't have to think systemically things are ok. The British use nickel a gallon gin to quite the sans-culottes, the States it's cheap guns, and social services.”
zinxeb on Dec 9, 2013 at 20:18:00
“I certainly appreciate your intelligence! Pleasure conversing with you.
Don't forget the cheap drugs, like meth and anything else that can be made at home or bought over the counter and altered. Smokes are demonized, since you can still retain your wits to realize what's happening when you smoke...but booze clouds the mind and is taxed, so that is more acceptable and now, they're working to legalize pot...something that can be easily grown at home and give you an endless supply for the price of a few seeds. like booze, it's also a "feel good" drug...and if it lessens the pain of terminal cancer, you can imagine what it will do to lessen political worry. We'll
all turn into Cheech and Chong and the plutocrats will have a field-day! :)”
“I suppose the States are a bit like Afghanistan. Being at more or less war, for the better part 165 years, and losing almost all of them, speaks to not knowing any better. Merchants of death do however, from profit from endless wars of attrition.”
zinxeb on Dec 9, 2013 at 19:18:27
“It gets covered up when the economy is doing well, but when, like countries in the ME, the economy turns to dog doo doo and there is high employment, everyone drags out their weapons and wants to march on the Republic.
Of course, over three decade's neglect of our educational system hasn't helped, either, but it has been a very successful way of expanding the neocon base and furthering their agenda.
Only thing that has saved this country so far from open rebellion is the Federal dollars that both neocons and Democrats have pumped into the social programs for the last 30 years...and will continue to pump in despite all the tough talk of cutting it off. Even neocon politician's "job creators" rely on social services making up the differences that they don't pay their workers.
The big difference between us and the other countries where authoritarian governments have a strong foothold with a conservative religious base and a greedy plutocratic ruling class is that we still have plenty of resources to keep people grumbling, but not outright rebelling. If this should change in the future, Afghanistan will have nothing on us. You'd think that neocon politicians would realize this and not do anything to throw matches on a powderkeg, but all of those huge, yummie campaign donations keep them playing with fire.”
“From the 1840's to the Revolution, European Russia was concerned with the plight of the serf. The polemics of those times concerned basically Egoism versus Christian Socialism. The Czar and spy agencies often acting as referee, with time out in the gulag. I guess, I am suggesting that even the Czars were concerned with the immense poverty, and often personally intervened having firing squads use blank ammunition indicating ambivalence to the radicals.
Except for Blacks in the south the States never before had that feudal past, and terribly unequal poverty. Things are very different now, where the readjusted middle class is poor, resents minorities and Affirmative Action, perhaps because they became serfs with no benefactors. What is left is the angry gunmen, and hate of the government/ parent for abandoning them. That is more compounded by a successful Black President, and a neo con Congress rooting for the one percent.”
zinxeb on Dec 9, 2013 at 16:27:33
“Yes, I agree that the Czar was concerned about the welfare of the unwashed masses, but he didn't have the power to change anything, since the wealthy had a stranglehold on the government there...and the royalty lived in their own rarefied environment where the plight of the poor and downtrodden didn't affect them. Good intent doesn't make for good deeds.
While our country didn't have a feudal past, a long and bloody war was fought for the right to retain slaves...a war that still causes bitterness today...but you are right about the rest of it. What bothers me is the reason why a political party in our country would want to take our Democracy down a path that has no good outcome, as we have seen in history with other countries that did this...and in the present time in patriarchal countries around the world. Every country that went this route had pretty much the same outcomes...revolution, civil war and years of trying to repair and rebuild the damage that was caused, while the most socialist countries in the world have long histories of peace and prosperity.”
“Apartheid trades with apartheid it is true, but many Americans denounced South Africa and the great Reagan Republicans did not.”
Yank in France on Dec 9, 2013 at 12:26:26
“I agree. As Sharpton pointed out, the American people forced the federal govt to change its policies. We have cities and then states imposing sanction on Apartheid before the federal govt acted. And by the time it did, Apartheid was already feeling the squeeze, not just from the US, but from Europe and the rest of the world. :)”
“Police sixty to seventy shot magazine dumps parallels what you see in school shootings and mass murder. Guess where this mass gun hysteria comes from? Add free V bottom armored Iraq battle vehicles and you develop a potential symmetrical war zone in suburbs.
This bizarre as many responses are suicidal males with loss issues. Next air strikes for drunks in their cups?”
“Yes, the consequence worked out, for now. However, it appears that O.B.L lives on. No suprise as the C.I.A., the Pakistani I.S.I. and the Saudi Secret Police funded A.Q. for most of the 1980's to 1994 in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
They have gone through generational paradigm changes as well as natural selection. In reality A.Q. has dominated the Syrian rebellion, and ironically now having disarming Assad. Sure the U.S. and Russia take credit, but its appears that the play is directed by and produced by A.Q. They now are in the strategic position in the Syrian civil war, of winning a country of their own.”
“With all the high tech photo optics, and identification techniques these people use, at least they could do is return the money to the rightful owner. Instead, the T.S.A, is reduced to the level of a sot who cages drinks, and nicks change at the local bar.”
“The hard right and fascist parties always have their paramilitary arms, and hatred of socialists, communists, and racism are part and parcel of their package to develop group cohesion.
Speaking of old psych texts, Adorno studied the extremist camps after WWII, and Developed the California F (fascist)Scale. The found little difference between the belief systems between the extreme right and communists. Military mind control types seem to fit nicely into both.”
zinxeb on Dec 9, 2013 at 13:23:27
“The hatred of Communism in the 50s and 60s was caused by the rise of the Soviet Union, since their power threatened our national security...the same way that the rise of China is worrying people today, but before the Russian Revolution, Russia was a plutocracy where ordinary Russians suffered from extreme poverty and neglect.
While the Communist system had it's social strata, the ordinary Russian was cared for...with jobs, housing, education and healthcare guaranteed by the government...which is the complete antithesis of the neoconservative political system in this country. I would think that today, the neocon party has more in common with Fascism or even Nazism than it does with Communism...being rooted in nationalism, racism, authoritarianism and militarism, while also placing the corporate society above the individual.
If this kind of thinking is limited to the lunatic-fringe, which it has pretty well been up until the late 60s, it's more of an annoyance when the police have to come in and clean out a militia-type enclave once in a while...but when it is worked into the platform of a major political party in our country, I would think that this could be a real source for worry, because in bad economic times, like in Germany in the 30s, people are open to all sorts of crazy ideas.”
“Mass gun hysteria occurred after the Iraq defeat and the great recession. Similar groups such as the Freikorp in Germany, with defeat and the "stab in the back" mentality fueling it. Similar gun runs occurred in the Cuban missile crisis, and the Iran Hostage situation. Social scientists such as Maslow and others have noted regression during times of unemployment, and scarcity, and lack of self actualization. For some guns are all that is left. I am my .45, if nothing else.”
zinxeb on Dec 7, 2013 at 23:45:06
“Yeah...I agree. When times get hard, the scared need to find a source of power. Also when they feel that they themselves are becoming outnumbered by "hoards" of people of foreign origins or different skin color.
I also read in an old psychology book that those who feel that they have lost control of their lives seek weapons as a means of making them feel more powerful and in control...not the most responsible type of gun owner, I would imagine.
What puzzles me is why a political party in this country would encourage this to the extent that they have...and not seem to be aware of how dangerous this could be...unless they plan to use their minions to overthrow a "socialist takeover". Neocon politicians have become more open in their cries for elimination of the Federal government and for their base to form militias, so one wonders if they are using sedition to stir up another revolution.”