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Steubenville: We're Sick and Tired of Rape Being Treated Like an Unavoidable Joke

Posted: 03/14/2013 4:36 pm

A reasonable person might think that certain cases of rape would be clear cut and that it would be all but impossible to blame the victim of a crime, especially one with witnesses, photographs and other documentary evidence, for her own assault. But, we don't live in a world where a reasonable person can think that at all. Instead we live in a world where people are surprised because of widespread outrage over cases like the one in Steubenville.

Yesterday, in our fatiguing chronicling of rape, the Steubenville rape trial began.  ABC reported that two boys "took liberties" (such an interesting turn of phrase if you think about it) with a drunk girl and now face rape charges. Attorneys for the defendants, two star football players (as everyone is intent on reminding us), argued that the boys did not rape a drunk 16-year old girl, whom they performed sexual acts on, because she "didn't say no."  The lawyers are asking the court to believe that there was no nonconsensual contact during a long night in which these boys (just like these boys) put their fingers into the girl's vagina, attempted to have her perform oral sex (she couldn't hold her mouth open), allegedly urinated on her and were photographed dragging her around by her hands and feet. As one of the boys was quoted saying in a tonally rape-friendly media piece, "It just felt like she was coming on to me."  Which, of course, is clear license to treat a living girl like an inflatable silicon sex doll.

If traditional coverage and similar cases in the recent past are any indication, what will inevitably evolve in the next few weeks is a media narrative about these boys, their football aspirations, their dashed hopes, and their basic all-American Boy Goodness. The flip side of that narrative is that a drunk, possibly lying, definitely regretful, stupid, slutty, selfish and careless girl ruined their hopes for the future. She'll be yet another "spider who lured them" and "ruined their lives." Here is where we indulge in the national sport of victim-blaming in high-def digital. The kind that allows us to blame one person for her own assault and avoid the rigorous self-reflection necessary to understand the system that produces kids who think its okay to humiliate and violate a limp and incapacitated girl for kicks. Why aren't we talking about why the 40+ teenagers involved that night didn't step in and stop what was happening?

I am hoping this case will be different and that we've reached a tipping point, but early signs aren't particularly heartening.

This isn't "just" about alcohol or teens or dashed football aspirations. It has much broader implications about consent and what we are failing to teach children. Alcohol and drugs don't turn people, primarily girls and women, into rape victims. Rapists do. And while we'd like to think these things can't be avoided and are accidental, they can be avoided and are, in fact, rarely accidental at all. These two boys may not have set out to deliberately drug the girl in question, or get her intoxicated for their purposes, but they took deliberate and aggressive advantage of the fact that she was drunk to the point of obvious and witnessed incoherence. This is done regularly with malice. Systemic tolerance for rape means they have traditionally gotten away with these crimes.

I'm pretending that I will successfully make this a shorter post than usual, so I am sparing you the data-bingey itemization here. However, at the end of this post is a list of 50 similar cases where men, (not the sole perpetrators, but the overwhelming majority) humiliated, raped and otherwise sexually assaulted people (including other men) who were drunk, drugged, asleep, anesthetized, comatose or otherwise incapable of giving their affirmative consent or saying "no."  The perpetrators of these crimes include students, doctors, lawyers, police officers, dentists, cab drivers, homeless men, sales men, and other everyday rapists. In other words, rapists who don't think they're rapists. This list provides some specific context, as opposed to the larger context of all rape, in which to think about Steubenville.  Victims' ages span decades. Where they were raped runs the gamut. They didn't wake up and go out on the day of their assaults thinking that their default condition was consent to sexual activity by virtue of existence. Even if female. This list and others like it explain why this incident exploded as it did in social media.

Aside from the question of why anyone wants to engage in sexual activity with an unresponsive person, how would people think differently about this case and similar ones if two boys had "taken liberties" with a 55-year old nun described by witnesses as "not moving," "limp," "incapable of coherent speech," "carried by her hands and feet," "so raped," and "dead"? Which brings us to this: What is it about a girl, experimenting with alcohol the way her male peers do, that makes such a stunning difference to so many people asking in confusion, as in the case in Ohio, "What is there to try?"  Honestly?

Shame-based double standards make people think that girls who drink themselves blotto deserve what they "get"  and patriarchy demands that we think of boys as unable to control themselves. Can you imagine boys and men living with double standards that police everything they wear and do in a way that they are made to understand that they should "expect" someone to use their bodies in any way they please if they are "impaired" in some way? That the likelihood of this happening is ridiculously high?  What would happen if we restricted men's freedoms the way we casually and routinely do women's? In other words, if we "took" men's "liberties"? Or if they even had a clear understanding of how rape imperils their liberty. As in... it is a punishable crime. Instead, we're intent on telling girls to be afraid -- of being raped or seeking justice if they are. Seeking justice for the victims of rape should not be portrayed as some kind of unfortunate inconvenience for their rapists.

The list took me less than 10 minutes to compile and barely skims the surface.  All of these are examples of people using power in predatory ways to assault other people when they are incapacitated.  Whether they understand their actions in this way is irrelevant and their inability to understand why their actions are repugnant, dehumanizing and ethically wrong is the result of rapey norms and a failure of education and culture. Contrary to popular mythology about "accidents," these are crimes of control -- not a lack of control.  The people who do these things refuse to acknowledge the basic humanity of the people they assault -- the right to not be an object for someone else's use.  They deny the central, civilizing principles of consent and the role it plays in the law and more broadly in culture.  The communities that produce them similarly fail.

In relation to Steubenville and similar situations, fully 28 percent of women and 3 percent of men experience sexual assault on college campuses. We send people off to school with close to zero information regarding sexual assault, rape, consent and the law.  Then add alcohol and stir. The result? Between ½ and ¾ of cases of campus rapes, similarly to the Steubenville case and countless others, involve alcohol and "impaired functioning."  As Tara Murtha recently put it, "The preferred weapon of choice in a typical campus rape is confusion."   Only 5 percent will report these experience because they fear shaming and encountering well documented and widespread institutional tolerance for the crime of rape. This is significantly less than the 46 percent reporting rate in the general population. But, even then, 97 percent of those who rape walk free. We're sick and tired of rape being treated like an unimportant joke and being told in thousands of ways that the victims of rape should pay for the crimes of their rapists.

While teaching people about consent isn't going to change the behavior of predatory serial rapists, it will cultivate a culture that encourages effective bystander intervention and teaches both women and men how to reduce risk. What we have now and by default are subtle and overt messages that teach children, like the two Steubenville boys and the kids who watched them, to treat other human beings -- disproportionately female ones -- as dehumanized prey instead of as a people for whom they should feel compassion. Why is this taboo? We are failing left and right.

In the meantime, kids in Steubenville will pay a high price. The thing is, the boys probably are basically "good." Although I think they are clearly at fault for violating this girl's body and human rights, I do not think it's their fault that they were born into a culture where "nice guys" rape all the time and get away with it.  We could avoid an awful lot of hardship and wasted lives if we disregarded the repugnant antics of those who are aggressively opposed to a fairer distribution of rights and confronted these issues head on.

As I recently said when participating in a Women Under Siege forum on victim-blaming, explaining context and shifting the focus from individual people to the systems that produce them isn't a mentality of victimization, it's a critique of the deeply entrenched, destructive attitudes at the heart of violence and oppression, and the first steps toward dismantling them. That is a matter of personal responsibility.

50 Cases of Context

  1. US: Man suspected of sexual assault of unconscious woman in Oxnard
  2. US: NJ man sexually assaulted unconscious woman
  3. US: Man claims sexual assault while passed out and handcuffed
  4. US: Ex US Marshal Assaulted Woman While Unconscious
  5. US: Man arrested for assaulting unconscious woman
  6. UK: Four footballers filmed sexual assault while teen was unconscious, court hears
  7. US:  Man Assaults Unconscious Woman 
  8. US: Man accused of assaulting unconscious woman while broadcasting it live on Internet
  9. US: San Francisco Man Arrested For Drugging Young Couple, Assaulting Woman
  10. UK: Police search for unconscious 'Brit teen' filmed being sexually assaulted while on Corfu holiday
  11. US: Woman sexually assaulted while jogging in Lewisville park, police say
  12. US: Doctor sexually assaulted unconscious patients, police say
  13. US: Voiding of rape conviction involving sleeping woman called 'bizarre'
  14. UK: Raped while sleeping, on and off for two years
  15. Canada: Toronto doctor sexually abused patients during surgery, judge told
  16. Italy: Italian Doctor Sexually Abuses Female Patient On Hidden Camera, Assaults Reporter When Confronted 
  17. US: UC Berkeley doctor charged with sexually assaulting patients for more than 20 years
  18. US: Former Cobb County nurse sentenced to life in prison for sexually assaulting sedated patients
  19. India: Juvenile raped 'Amanat' twice, once while she was unconscious: police sources
  20. Canada: Man Who Raped Unconscious Beating Victim Jailed
  21. US: Man guilty of sexually assaulting drunk unconscious Montco teen
  22. UK: Man raped his dying stepdaughter
  23. US: Quakertown man who raped unconscious woman at party gets state prison
  24. US: Man pleads not guilty to sexually assaulting unconscious teen in canyon
  25. US: 3 Men Knocked Woman Unconscious, Raped Her & Videotaped The Assault
  26. US: California Court Declares That It's Not Rape If The Unconscious Women You Trick Into Sleeping With You Isn't Married
  27. US: Athletic club weekend turns into nightmare for college freshman
  28. US: Lodi man accused of sexually assaulting woman who was asleep or unconscious
  29. US: Rochdale man who raped woman while she was unconscious in house
  30. UK: Judge condemns pair who drugged and raped vulnerable underage girls before moving on to 'fresh meat'
  31. India: Girl drugged, gangraped, filmed, thrown out of moving car in Bhatinda
  32. UK: Girl was 'sold' aged 11, drugged and raped by child sex ring, court told
  33. South Africa: Teacher fired after drugging, raping pupil
  34. US: Man Filmed Himself Raping Women Under Anesthesia at Dental Offices
  35. South Africa: Fury at inaction over school gang-rape (school worried about upsetting the boys during exams)
  36. India: Tourist 'drugged and raped'
  37. Dubai: British woman 'kidnapped and gang-raped in Dubai'... and then SHE is prosecuted for drinking alcohol
  38. India: 'Low Caste' Teenage Girl Kidnapped, Drugged and Raped in Manipur, India
  39. Zimbabwe: Woman drugged and raped by doctor during surgery
  40. South Africa: South African shock as alleged drugged gang-rape victim charged with statutory rape in her own case
  41. India: Minor girl abducted, raped; 2 arrested
  42. Zambia: Girl -17 Drugged, Raped
  43. International Waters: Cruise Ship Rape: A Noa Man's Land On The High Seas?
  44. UK: Businessman 'drugged and raped girl at Mayfair home', court hears
  45. UK: The horrific secrets of Levi Bellfield: Milly's killer drugged and raped girls in school uniform in council flat dubbed the 'raping room'
  46. US: Woman kidnapped, drugged then raped
  47. India: 40-year-old woman drugged, gang-raped in Delhi
  48. US: High school sports star caught on camera LAUGHING as football team players 'raped and urinated on girl, 16, during house party
  49. UK: Four footballers sexually assault 19 year old in deliberately humiliating way while she sleeps 
  50. US: Dentist sexually assaulted patients as they drifted in and out of consciousness         

 

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03:33 PM on 03/20/2013
Thank you, Soraya, as always, for another excellent and much needed post.

I skipped your list of examples the first time, only now mustering enough courage to delve into it... and I've stopped about half way through, as it became too unbearable. The man who raped his dying stepdaughter was the final straw for me (among so many).

What we see in it is what we, women, have known all along: that rape is not an isolated crime committed by some deranged men on the outskirts of society, but an everyday activity perpetrated by all those "trustworthy" male pillars of our communities -- doctors, businessmen, policemen, teachers, fathers.

I cannot imagine any of your critics here (or elsewhere) spent any time going over this list, which was, sadly, prepared with such an ease as these cases are all around us -- and not because our culture has suddenly became strangely demoralized, but because, thanks to our technology, we can finally disseminate relevant information and appreciate the real extent of this problem that has always plagued our society. If they did, they would obviously support you and not dismiss or criticize.*

Thank you again for being such a clear and persistent voice for human decency.

*Assuming, generously, that they still possess a working conscience.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
06:23 PM on 03/20/2013
It may not dissuade you from being unable to believe "trustworthy" men are trustworthy, but the fact is that most of the guys were anything but trustworthy. The final straw guy was a drunken lout, good looking (if that makes any difference), used to having his way with women. He was living, unmarried, with the girl's mother, and at least two other (drunk) grown women in the house were aware he was in bed (drunk) past midnight with the girl.
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11:58 PM on 03/20/2013
What is the acceptable number of the so-called trustworthy men sexually assaulting women?
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06:24 PM on 03/20/2013
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06:34 PM on 03/19/2013
Rape is rape.

"Don't rape" -- not a complicated concept.
03:57 PM on 03/19/2013
It is very important to teach young girls and adult women how to be safe! They need to have a plan. They need to know the danger when they party and how to defend themselves! I am in a women's self defense class invented by Ky Rock. It is called "Fight Like a Girl" This is actually so much more than self defense. It teaches woman and girls of different age groups the rules on how to be safe and stay safe. Kym Rock wrote a book called "Fight Like a Girl, Be Scared With a Plan" that explains how young girls and women can protect themselves. I think every woman and girl should do an internet search on "Fight Like A Girl" and Kym Rock. Also get the book and read it and give it to all of your female friends!
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MadTeaparty
06:34 PM on 03/19/2013
Really, it's rapists who need teaching.
10:35 AM on 03/19/2013
You're falsely conflating the different forms of rape into one big problem, which is only going to make solving it more difficult. All forms of rape are terrible, no doubt about it, but of the 50 cases you mention, several do not fit the overall M.O. The differences in the cases need to be addressed in different ways, and simply pinning it on "men" isn't going to cut it.

For example, a lot of your examples involved unconsciousness. This is obviously a major issue involving violation of trust. On the other hand, you have the gangrape and the jogger who was assaulted. No doubt this is terrible, but those issues need to be addressed differently. The perpetrators in those cases are not in a position of trust, they're using brute force to subdue their victims. This is a different issue entirely. Both are horrible, but both need different approaches to finding a solution.
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03:03 PM on 03/19/2013
There is a common denominator to (what you see as different kinds of) rape: men forcing sex on a woman (or a man, as the case may be).

There is therefore one common solution: men stopping to force sex on a woman (or a man, as the case may be).
07:10 PM on 03/19/2013
I don't disagree with you, only, that's extremely wishful thinking. There are men out there that commit rape fully knowing how horrible it is. What do you suggest be done about that? Ask them again not to rape?
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06:35 PM on 03/19/2013
No, it's just about rape. Don't do it. If you see someone else doing it, call the police or stop it yourself.
10:33 AM on 03/20/2013
I don't commit rape, I'm not sure what that has anything to do with this. And of course I will do whatever is in my power to stop any sort of assault (not just rape). However, if you simply gloss over specifics, you will find that the solutions that are drafted will not work.

Ted Bundy knew that what he was doing was wrong. No amount of "teaching" him that rape is wrong would change that.
09:21 AM on 03/19/2013
Part 1/3

Here's a better thought or facts actually
1) This was rape, and the boys need to be punished
2) The girl was being irresponsible
3) ALL Teenagers AKA. "kids" are irresponsible
4) The punishment for making an irresponsible decision as a child is not rape
5) The punishment for a teenager/child who rapes needs to be determined over time and evaluation, not treated like an adult.
6) We cannot blame children for alcohol being available to them!
7) We cannot teach children everything, because even if we fear our parents/supervision, we make decisions and experiment despite what we've been taught. Sometimes with peer pressure and/or absence of supervision; we don't even realize were making bad choices until it's too late (adults included). You're either psychotic or a liar if you say you've never done anything stupid and regrettable as a child.
8) Everyone is entitled to an opinion, but not all opinions are correct.
However when you make an unbiased opinion and actually think of things logically and focus on both grey areas and black and white (which too many people don't know how to do). Then you can actually give justice.
01:53 PM on 03/20/2013
The girl was drugged. The boys slipped the rape drug, Rohypnol, into her first drink. That is why she had no memory of events and woke up naked in a strange place with no memory.
08:22 AM on 03/19/2013
It is shameful that a culture exists where so many young people would just stand by and watch the actions of their peers and do nothing to stop or assist someone who is so inebriated they need to be carried around.

The debate over fault is even more shameful. Should this young woman have been this drunk? no- none of these students should have been drinking. But to use her condition as a justification to rape and demean her is the worst type of behavior and if they would be so callous to this young woman, how will they treat other women they come in contact with in the future.

I wonder what the attitudes would be if the tables had been turned and it was one of these football players that had passed out and a group of young girls had decided to film the same type of acts on a young male, penetrating him with objects, urinating on him, demeaning him, and then posting and sharing video of the acts?
Would law enforcement and the local people of this town suddenly have thought this was a violation? I imagine the attitude toward the victim would no longer be geared toward his condition being the root cause of the act.
12:27 PM on 03/19/2013
If that had been the case, the girls probably would have been victims of lynch mob murder.
Don't you know that crimes are much more serious, when committed against males? Males are more human!

Or so some people seem to think...
Morrisfactor
Just a little bent
02:30 PM on 03/19/2013
"I wonder what the attitudes would be if the tables had been turned and it was one of these football players that had passed out and a group of young girls had decided to film the same type of acts on a young male, penetrating him with objects, urinating on him, demeaning him, and then posting and sharing video of the acts? "

I guess it's somewhat common for college or even high school students to "prank" people (primarily males) who've passed out drunk - dropping their pants and painting smiley faces on their bare buttocks, putting them in compromising positions with a potted plant, painting their toenails and fingernails pink, etc. (I'm not talking about rape or sex in these pranks). Basically just dumb stuff making fun of the passed out guy to tease him.

If carried along those lines, (no sex) most young guys probably don't see it as a big deal.
06:06 PM on 03/19/2013
You answered a different question than the one posed. The question asked wasn't the outcome of pranks along the lines of fingernail painting, but of a role reversal where the football player was the rape victim and women were the rapists.
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03:06 AM on 03/19/2013
Here's a thought:

Why do we have to tell girls and women to travel in packs, don't drink, never take a drink a man hands you, don't walk anywhere in the dark or by yourself or dressed for a date, or look vulnerable or pretty or desirable? Learn self-defense, carry pepper spray or a taser or a gun, learn how to scream "Fire!" because people ignore cries of "Help!" or "Rape!" Check in with a roommate or friend or parents during a date. Never trust a male to do the right thing. . . . . . . ?

Why don't we just teach boys and men, "DON'T RAPE!"
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Humphrey Osmond
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08:05 AM on 03/19/2013
...the Rape Apologists/Victim Blamers would have no one to point fingers at.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
09:54 AM on 03/19/2013
We do teach, but some boys are bad.
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11:15 AM on 03/19/2013
Are half of all boys (men) bad?

Recall Malamuth's study showing that about half of men admit freely they would force sex on a woman if they knew they could get away with it.
03:11 PM on 03/18/2013
Ah yes, The boys where drunk too and shouldn't be held accountable for their actions. I think I'll go drink 10 beers and drive home now, after all I'm not responsible for my actions if I'm drunk.
09:32 PM on 03/18/2013
Drunk driving accidents are just that - accidents. Rape is not. Alcohol doesn't turn people into rapists. These boys knew what they were doing and they did it deliberately. The equivalent of your hypothetical would be if you drank 10 beers, then purposefully tried to hit someone with your car.
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03:08 AM on 03/19/2013
I think that was Clark's point.
10:42 AM on 03/19/2013
If you get drunk, knowing that you will be driving afterward, and you are involved in a collision, it is no "accident". It is a disaster waiting to happen.
06:18 PM on 03/19/2013
I can't tell if you're trying to mock those who suggest the boys are innocent because they were drunk, or if you're trying to blame the victim because she was drunk.
hroark314
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01:42 PM on 03/18/2013
"Instead, we're intent on telling girls to be afraid -- of being raped or seeking justice if they are."

These boys are getting what they deserve, but that doesn't change the fact that this girl was raped. In the real world telling girls to be careful with alcohol when they're around teenage boys is good advice. Following Soraya's advice that girls pretend the world is other than it is will only lead to more pain. Teenage boys who rape teenage girls need to be punished severely. However, in the real world there are always going to be boys who take advantage of girls. For their own sake, they need to be sensible about when, where, and how they drink and their parents need to make sure they understand the world as it is, not the world as they wish it would be.
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05:39 PM on 03/18/2013
I didn't say that girls shouldn't take safe steps to reduce risk, but rather that we have so egregiously failed to make sure that girls and women are respected fundamentally as human beings with the right not to be treated in these ways with such evident social sanction. Yes, in the real world, there will be people who are cruel, violent and to be avoided. However, in the real world now, they derive strength and increased ability to act from the culture that produced this unmitigated disaster.
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03:08 AM on 03/19/2013
Yes! Fanned.
10:44 AM on 03/19/2013
"but rather that we have so egregiously failed to make sure that girls and women are respected fundamentally as human beings "

It's not about women. There have been cases where someone is killed in the middle of the street (a lot of times men) and nobody does anything at all, not even call an ambulance. It is a universal disregard for human life, and I find it appalling. But by making it about women only, you're missing the entire picture.
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
11:10 AM on 03/18/2013
Neither of the young men convicted in this case were ever considered "nice guys". For several years, yes they started young, they were considered party hounds who were used to harassing girls and getting away with it.
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01:50 AM on 03/19/2013
Any citations about that? (Not that I don't believe you, but I hadn't read that and am interested.)
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jf12
When I saw her I marveled greatly.
07:51 AM on 03/19/2013
search term "rape crew"
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08:52 PM on 03/17/2013
"Whether they understand their actions in this way is irrelevant and their inability to understand why their actions are repugnant, dehumanizing and ethically wrong is the result of rapey norms and a failure of education and culture."
"The communities that produce them similarly fail."
"We send people off to school with close to zero information regarding sexual assault, rape, consent and the law."
"to treat other human beings -- disproportionately female ones -- as dehumanized prey instead of as a people for whom they should feel compassion. Why is this taboo? We are failing left and right."
--I was never taught anything about it in school. I'm teetering on ancient, but I don't think times have changed.
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It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:56 AM on 03/18/2013
No, it';s been up to parents to teach that, and not all of us have lived up to the responsibility.
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05:55 PM on 03/18/2013
If it's taught in schools, a group setting, it's a shared experience creating a group dynamic that brings expectations and bonding; taught at home, there's no social structure and so no personalization or feeling of responsibility. Modal thought means that something learned under one circumstance--the home--isn't fully transferred to other social structures; as a teen, you get time in your room with a cell phone or digital interaction, or you go outside on your way to a friend's and there's an "ahhh" of relaxation, another mode. Using neurological/psychological/sociological insights (why do we yawn when someone else does; the effect of the color red) focuses awareness on inner processes, leading to awareness of social interactions: Why do we feel rape is okay? How do we make sexual selections and why? What are alternatives? (No negatives like "Don't rape"). So why can't institutions educate? Teach sociology while socializing? "Why is this taboo?"
Steubenville might not have happened with pre-structured group dynamics, OR might have been stopped. If we want the young to be responsible in their social structure, their mode, it has to be taught in that mode. Not doing so continues the dehumanizing effects of "stranger-ism" and the Digital Age, and continues rape culture and objectification: I killed the dragon, I get the princess or prince.
04:04 PM on 03/17/2013
All boys are not rapists. Girls are not better than boys.
11:05 AM on 03/18/2013
Who said all boys are rapists? Most rapists happen to be men, if that is what you are complaining about. Stop trying to make it look as a "Women vs. Boys" thing. Didn't you read the article? She mentions men on men rape.
09:27 PM on 03/18/2013
I just felt like pointing that out.
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02:25 PM on 03/18/2013
Another male apologist that didn't bother reading the story. You only came here to do you GOP backed duty of shaming women.
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02:08 PM on 03/17/2013
So what is the clinical difference between "rape" and a girl changing her mind about having sex after the fact?
01:32 AM on 03/18/2013
A person who is impaired to the point of incoherence cannot give consent. Sex (and, yeah, peeing on someone) without consent is rape.
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11:49 AM on 03/19/2013
So, in other words, a drunk girl can't give consent, because a drunk girl isn't responsible for her actions. But drunk boys are. Gotcha.
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It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:56 AM on 03/18/2013
What either side can get a jury to believe.
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01:48 PM on 03/17/2013
I see this more as a generation that is being brought up to not care about anything. Not themselves, not others. Kids need to be brought up as kids, not adults friends, and certainly not a commodity. It seems being a friend, being a nice person, it's valued at all, and hasnt been for a long, long time. I know I am a very empathetic person, regardless of who did what, but was always ostracized because of it. It's really sad, I cried when I saw the video of the kid talking about what they did. There was zero respect for another person, someone who was once a young child, with the world waiting. The world shouldn't be as mean as it is today. People need to take an abilify and get OFF the internet or something. Jeez.
01:45 PM on 03/17/2013
Quote from MSNBC article - Verdicts in Steubenville high school rape trial by Andrew Welsh-Huggins, The Associated Press:

~~ "I'd like to apologize to her family, [the] community. No pics should have been sent. That's all sir," said Mays. ~~

So he only apologized for the pictures and not the rape? Why? Is it because the pictures are what damned him?
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KDMac
It's called sarcasm, Genius.
10:57 AM on 03/18/2013
Because he can't deny the pictures.
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04:01 PM on 03/18/2013
My thought exactly. Only cares he made a fool of himself and all the losers in Steubenville by exposing them. Doesn't really care he RAPED and HUMILIATED someone. Just that he and others got caught big time. An execrable human being.