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Teen Girls: Depression? Really? How About Anger and Powerlessness?

Posted: 07/31/2012 5:03 pm

Growing up, lots of girls get the message that the phrase "angry woman" is an oxymoron. A little like boys might get the message that "sad man" is. Girls are taught that overtly expressing anger threatens their relationships. Depression, on the other hand, does not.

New data from a national survey conducted between 2008 and 2010 reveals that between the ages of 12-15, the number of girls experiencing depression triples. This happens at a rate of three times that of boys. Girls attempt suicide in greater numbers but boys, who tend to use guns more, succeed more often. As last week's Huffington Post article about the study explained, before puberty, boys and girls typically experience depression at the same frequency. "Social pressures" appear to be greater for girls and, of course, we've all been schooled on the impact of "hormones and emotions." Doctors believe it is vital that we teach teenage girls coping skills and social support systems so that they can better avoid depression. But girls aren't just depressed when they are teens. Remember that 2009 study "Why are Women Increasingly Unhappy?" They grow up to be more depressed in their 20's, 30's, 40's and beyond.

Depression is a complicated business. As is the case with many things, there are genetic factors, hormonal issues and environmental circumstances. But do you know what clinicians think a large component of depression is? Anger.

The first thing is that this type of anger is caused by a perceived or actual loss or rejection, as described by Dr. Fredric N. Busch in Advances in Psychiatric Treatment:

Patients struggle with the experience and expression of angry feelings. Anger in people with depression often stems from narcissistic vulnerability, a sensitivity to perceived or actual loss or rejection. These angry reactions cause intrapsychic conflicts through the onset of guilt and the fear that angry feelings will disrupt relationships. These conflicts lead to anger being directed inwards, further lowering self-esteem, creating a vicious cycle." The second thing about it is that the most common aspect of female anger is powerlessness.

I keep hearing and reading that there is something inherent in girls and women (biology, hormones) that predisposes them to depression and that as a result, their interactions with the world are more likely to lead to depression because they can't cope. They are dating and having sex too early, they are the children of divorce, they watch too much TV. Generally, they are incapable of dealing with the world as it comes to them as young girls and women. They need better self-awareness and coping mechanisms to deal with the pressure. What pressure? The pressure of being.

To become a woman, especially a woman of color, in our culture is cognitively dissonant, and girls respond differently to that experience. Girls, like boys, feel fully human, but culture tells them that they are not. Even the most privileged girls, those that can afford doctors, psychologists, good schools excellent teams, etc. etc. get this message. Sometimes they rebel, sometimes they compartmentalize, sometimes they agitate for change, sometimes they bury their heads in the sand, sometimes they conform, sometimes they get angry. Sometimes their anger is pathologized instead of given free expression because we'd rather call it anything but anger. When girls get older and are, as women, also inclined to be unhappier then men, feminism's threats to the traditional male head of household apparently do them in. If we just shame them early, maybe they'd grow up to be happier women. In any case, we need to fix them, right? If we fix them they will get better.

Being a girl under constant pressure can lead to anger, and, according to Carol Tavris, Ph.D., author of Anger: The Misunderstood Emotion, "Anger externalized can turn into violence and aggression; anger internalized can cause depression, health problems and communication difficulties." Perhaps turning the anger inward is an attempt to retain some semblance of power and control.

I'm not sure why more people aren't talking about anger and power and teenage girls in the news we read about skyrocketing rates of depression. Girls have the right to be angry. We need to allow them to be angry, powerful, physical and popular in "nonsexual and nonmaterialistic" ways. Not acknowledging anger and powerlessness or trivializing it only makes things worse. I'd suggest we'd have a lot less girls to "fix" if we started looking at how anger can impact depression in youth, acknowledged that anger and sought its causes.

You know what else happens in the buildup to puberty besides the "hormonal problems" that beset girls? Girls have to come to terms with a broad assault on their sense of self. They face a daily virtual avalanche of micro-aggressions whose messages would anger and sadden any thoughtful, sane adult. Think about what girls experience as young children and they enter puberty:

  • Seeing virtually no valued stories told about you or the women around you in the world. We are nowhere near gender balanced in our storytelling -- not in books, not in movies, theatre, history lessons, bylines or TV-- and girls and boys see this. (Even among those that are told on TV and the theatre, most fail the Bechdel Test)
  • Repeatedly processing the information that our culture thinks being you or like you
    (a) Is the ultimate insult
    . What girl hasn't heard "cry like a girl," "throw like a girl" or "scream like a girl?"
    and
    (b) Means you're untrustworthy, catfighting and backstabbing (ie. Pretty Little Liars, Gossip Girl, Don't Trust the Bitch...all of reality TV)
  • Watching females disappear in public culture in jarring comparison to private life. Children grow up in domestic spheres where women have authority and are granted moral competence, power and authentic legitimacy. But what they learn in lower school and into high school is that those attributes are reserved for men alone in government, religion, media and entertainment . It's not a gender gap, it's a chasm on which girls stand on the precipice. It confounds them.
  • Coming to terms with rape and physical vulnerability. How does it feel to realize, after years of "girl power," that you are about to go out into a world where you or one of the five friends sleeping over tonight will be raped before you turn 18? Girls don't know these statistics, but they realize that their physical safety is constantly at risk, that they need to restrict themselves and that, should something happen, it will more likely than not be construed as their own fault. Especially if they slip and make a mistake a boy might make, like drink too much.
  • Having your ideas and interests, abilities and hard work take back seat to your sexualization (Note: NOT your sexuality). Girls are repeatedly told through media messages that their "hotness" is paramount, regardless of anything they say, do or aspire to. There is a reason that, "by the age of 14, girls drop out of sports at twice the rate that boys do."
  • Intuiting and experiencing the worlds' relentless desire to cut you in to bits and pieces while retaining the wholeness of your male counterparts. Girls feel like human individuals, but eventually see themselves in culture, their sisters and mothers and friends portrayed and spoken about as animals, objects, commodities. (Gee, just around the age of puberty. Huh. What a coincidence.) All for the pleasure or use of others.
  • Knowing that you will never be perfect or good enough if you don't try. Hearing that charities are paying for girls to change how they look in order to conform to the desires of others doesn't help.
  • Seeing grown men making decisions they have no business or right making about your body corruptly get away with making them. Watching women get silenced for objecting. Girls aren't stupid, either.
  • Watching adult women adapt and trade for power in a system that oppresses them. Seeing them compromise themselves and their bodies and act against their and your long-term self interest because they are adapting in ways that seem to make no sense but are necessary.

Girls have to filter their existences through these messages of powerlessness and literal cultural worthlessness. Is this depressing YOU? Girls might be more inclined to depression because coming to terms with your own cultural marginalization and irrelevance is depressing. Boys have their own woes, I know. For those readers and commenters that feel obliged to turn every discussion about girls into one about the plight of boys -- please look elsewhere today. I know, girls are doing SO well in school, will "soon" be the richer sex and men are coming to a crashing end! I will write another post when that happens admitting my error.

What happens when an alert, thoughtful young girl looks around and sees invisibility in her future? What happens when she feels a loss of relevance? A cultural disenfranchisement? What happens when her bodily integrity comes to be an issue on many fronts? Consider how obsessed we are with bullying in this conversation about depression and explode that idea to consider how sexism in culture is just bullying writ large. It's an existential dilemma to be alive and realize you are not important and that your body, the one you believe belongs to YOU, in fact may not. It may belong to your father, your mother, your boyfriend, your girlfriend, a stranger, your state. It makes some people angry. But good girls don't get angry, do they? It's so unattractive. But depression, that's a different thing.

Honestly, it's small wonder that more girls aren't depressed. I have three teenage daughters. So far, none has tried to hurt herself in any of the infinite ways available. This is not an accident of fate necessarily, and we are still in the early days. I am hopeful it is at least partially the result of very hard work undertaken by our family and hundreds of people working diligently and with passion to change the culture that sends these messages (see below).

What I hear when I learn about depression in a young girl is a quiet plea to be considered whole and legitimate, central and valued as an individual. To grow up knowing that your society respects you and recognizes your sense of your own worth and moral agency. After we've done that, then we can come back to biological determinism. Until then it has zero legitimacy.

Girls need to know that they are sufficient as they are. That their bodies belong to them. That they are moral agents in their own lives. That they are not sick or defective or deviant from a long-established but entirely unnatural male norm. They need to know that they are powerful, but that their powerfulness in the world as adults is not yet recognized. We have a chicken and an egg problem.

There are hundreds of great organizations, started by parents, teachers, coaches and girls themselves that are finding ways to give girls the confidence they need to counter corrosive cultural messages. The key is not to wait until your daughters are depressed. Here are some great organizations (there are many more, and these are in no particular order):

Spark Movement
Girls on the Run
Girls Inc. (good resource guide, too)
She Heroes
7 Wonderlicious
Black Girl Project
Adios Barbie
Princess Free Zone
Powered by Girls
Black Girls Rock!
Miss Representation
BrainCake
Pigtail Pals
Girls' Leadership Institute
Healthy is the New Skinny
The Body Project
Feminist.com
Rachel Simmons Leadership For Life
Keep Her In the Game

Also, check out the many organizations with similar goals internationally that you can find here at Amazing Women Rock.

Keep Her in the Game from Womens Sports Foundation on Vimeo.

 

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12:29 PM on 09/03/2012
"Girls don't know these statistics" -my 7th grade PE teacher told us 1/4 of us will get raped. And my family constantly tells me horror stories from the news even though I beg them not to. Makes commuting to school and work (without a car) unnecessarily terrifying.
03:31 PM on 08/30/2012
To many American parents, educators, coaches, and social service providers, such an attitude smacks of smug self-satisfaction. These elders feel compelled to motivate children to some successful achievement in the future. They are made to feel that one misstep and their conditional worth is threatened. They can not feel “secure” under these shaky circumstances. They cannot live their lives in the present.

Take the example of an overweight child who says to herself, “When I lose twenty pounds, I will be acceptable to my parents, to my friends and to myself.” She is implying, of course, that in the interim, she is not acceptable to anyone. She breaks her own heart. She holds herself in contempt. She is not going to lose weight that way. In fact she will behave counter productively. She will defeat herself and gain even more weight; she will further confirm her underlying feeling that she is worthless, “not good enough.” She is caught in a spiral down into despair.

The self-respecting child can tell herself, “I am a worthwhile human being in spite of my faults and imperfections, right now. My excess poundage is not a reflection on my worth as a person, merely a human imperfection. I deserve to get rid of it and be happy, no, more and no less, than anyone else. I am worthwhile in the meantime. I am good enough as I am.”
01:20 PM on 08/05/2012
So, Soraya, because girls attempt suicide more than boys, it doesn't matter that boys succeed in suicide at a higher rate than girls? So, we should ignore boys? Sorry, don't buy it. Girls aren't the only ones with problems in the world. I know you want to dismiss the problems boys have and say they don't matter as long as girls are suffering but I disagree. I think we should pay attention to both sexes' problems, not just girls. You automatically assume that boys will always have an easier life than a girl and do everything in your power to dismiss boys' problems. However, those attempts do nothing to change the truth of the issue.
08:38 PM on 08/05/2012
nobody is "ignoring" men. get real, kid.
12:15 PM on 08/06/2012
I am getting real and I really don't like the assumptions this article makes about boys.
12:17 PM on 08/06/2012
So you think it is fine for boys to commit suicide? Perhaps you think we should celebrate that as long as it is not girls, who really matter.
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04:13 PM on 08/07/2012
Didn't say we should ignore boys, and actualyy started the entire piece with an acknowledgement of the harms that come to them in the form of hyper masculine norms. I said this post would not be about that topic and that anyone interested in that topic should look elsewhere.
07:42 PM on 08/07/2012
Yeah, nyah nyah. Go look in HuffPo Men section. ;)
07:52 PM on 08/07/2012
Definitely not look elsewhere on HuffPo where ever article bashes men and boys.

"harms that come to them in the form of hyper masculine norms"
So, you think boys shouldn't be masculine? They are only worth anything if they act like girls?
11:59 AM on 08/05/2012
"For those readers and commenters that feel obliged to turn every discussion about girls into one about the plight of boys -- please look elsewhere today. I know, girls are doing SO well in school, will "soon" be the richer sex and men are coming to a crashing end! I will write another post when that happens admitting my error. :"

Soraya,

I don't know if you know this but commentators can make any comment they want on an article as long as it isn't abusive. Teen girls aren't the only ones the suffer depression. So we shouldn't talk about teen boys at all just because it bothers you? You don't think boys have problems as well?
02:41 PM on 08/05/2012
oh please. cry me a river. what makes you think you have the right to invade every discussion about women's problems with your "what about the mennnnn?" nonsense?

oh right. you're probably just another misogynist masquerading as a "men's rights advocate".
07:42 PM on 08/05/2012
You don't think men have any problems in the world? Well, we'll just agree to disagree. Women aren't the only ones who have struggles as you seem to think.
11:08 PM on 08/05/2012
The author paints a distorted and bleak picture for girls. Filled with overblown fears, false "facts" ( one in five girls will be raped before she is 18) and a complete omission of anything positive about being a girl growing up today. Reading it, I can't help but feel sorry for her daughters, if this is what she is teaching them.
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11:29 AM on 08/09/2012
Just to clarify. I did not make up false facts.
Here are some sources:
CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/
National Institute of Justice: http://nij.gov/
New York Times analysis of data: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html For...”

And I am not overblowing fears about sexualized violence and rape. You clearly have absolutely no idea the degree to which all women are taught to "not get raped" and the ways in which they entirely adapt their lives to make sure it doesn't happen. Most don't even think about it but consider it the "price" of being female. Bet you go running whenever you want to, wearing pretty much whatever you feel, park in lots at night without a second thought, get drunk without worrying that someone will "take advantage of you" - now there's a euphemism for you - don't walk with keys poking through your fingers in case you need to defend yourself, take any bus or taxi home when you need to, have never had to go out of your way on a daily basis to avoid some lout on the street with a vaguely threatening demeanor, been asked to smile at someone you don't know and don't care to know and then had obscenities hurled at you for not complying. As you can image, I could go on and on. There is nothing distorted about my representation.
09:37 AM on 08/05/2012
Studies that come from women groups need to be taken with a grain of salt after the Sue Coleman Foundation misslead us.
06:31 PM on 09/03/2012
Chemaly provided sources:

CDC: http://www.cdc.gov/violenceprevention/nisvs/
National Institute of Justice: http://nij.gov/
New York Times analysis of data: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/15/health/nearly-1-in-5-women-in-us-survey-report-sexual-assault.html For...”

Which one is the 'women group'?
08:33 PM on 08/04/2012
thanks, patriarchy!
08:25 PM on 08/04/2012
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I've been saying this for years. Our society does not allow for female rage. Now there's a term for you: female rage. Our society as a whole does not exactly permit the expression of anger, as mentioned below...but CERTAINLY NOT in women. I think it's going to be a BIG surprise to the legislators this November when ANGRY women vote and they lose their jobs. At least that's how I hope it happens. As a mother, I have tried to teach my daughter that she is allowed to experience all of the emotions and to express them in ways that are healthy and acceptable. But I have also had to have that teaching with grown women who were angry, angry beyond words but didn't know how to let it out. I appreciate this article and I hope that we can find out inner rage and channel it into changing things for all women. FEMALE RAGE. We have it.
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08:00 PM on 08/03/2012
Anger is the emotion everyone has but no one is allowed to express.
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10:19 AM on 08/04/2012
(bears repeating)

Averagedancer Commented 6 hours ago

"I beg to differ. It has long been pointed out how men are not culturally able to express sadness in appropriate ways, but they have freedom to express anger, aggression and ambition without being referred to as PMSing b******. On the other hand, women are expected - and in fact encouraged - to express sadness to the point of being sappy and illogical. It is not culturally welcomed when they express anger, aggression or ambition.

Both sexes are subject to societal expectations and constraints. But as the article above noted - and I've taken issue with this one as well - nobody tells women they "...throw like a man...," or "...cry like a man," in an attempt to shame them. The implication inherent in statements like, "....run like a girl," is that everyday occurances are somehow diminished if compared to how a girl or a woman would do them.

And women will always be blamed for men unleashing their anger, whether it's being raped or beaten. Don't expect that one to change; it justifies, in their minds, taking out their anger on someone who can't adequately defend themselves. If they did it to other men, well, they get their rears kicked.

Someone who could fight back would make pounding them ever so much less enjoyable. But if they didn't blame the women they brutalized, that would make them, you know, "girlie.""
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12:48 PM on 08/04/2012
All true.
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06:40 PM on 08/03/2012
Thanks for your post, Soraya. Indeed it is a "chicken and egg" problem. Reading through the comments, I am struck by those who cannot relate. I suppose if one is not subjected to being objectified all one's life, it is difficult to relate. It would be a very different world if girls and women were treated as human beings. I love how you write about this societal problem and shed light in the darkness. I always look forward to your posts.
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09:18 PM on 08/03/2012
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07:15 AM on 08/03/2012
Soraya, I love your post here. You get to the heart of the problem and provide commonsense, practical solutions and ways to counter depression in young women and girls. I always love reading your perspective on current issues/topics because you're honest, thoughtful, intelligent, amusing and enlightening. I'm an "old feminist" but always learn something new when I read your great posts and insight. Thanks for continuing to do such a great service for women, our lives and our concerns and needs!
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05:36 PM on 08/03/2012
Wow, thank you for commenting and your kind words. I am an "old feminist" with you, so doubly appreciate your thoughts as I often wonder how long we'll have to repeat these words.
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01:05 AM on 08/04/2012
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04:42 PM on 08/02/2012
I read a lot of columns like this that point to "society" or "our culture" as the chief villain in this type of psychological assault on girls: it's the media hyping impossible body images, it's not enough books and movies featuring strong female leads, it's men making women feel physically and emotionally vulnerable, it's schools not challenging and rewarding achievements by girls, and so forth.

But shouldn't part of the blame (for lack of a better word) or credit for how a girl emerges be placed on her parents, and in particular her mom? Throughout the generations of pre-feminist thinking and even in more recent times, amazing women have emerged, despite these societal or cultural obstacles in their way.

And with so many of them, you see a common thread -- a mother (or grandmother or some maternal figure) who did everything right in raising a strong, smart and high-achieving daughter. Certainly, in many cases it's a dad who stepped into that role or who was just as supportive as the mom, but it's often the influence of the mother that makes the difference.

Why, in a piece about encouraging girls to express their anger and power, and to develop a strength of character, is there not more a discussion of what moms should and shouldn't do in their roles as their daughters' first role models?
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12:30 AM on 08/03/2012
Because mothers also need to deal with their feelings of anger and powerlessness from being brought up in a world that tells them they are "less than." A world where they and their daughters are afraid to go out at night, and where how they look is commented on as they become Secretary of State or get their PHD. This was touched upon in the authors blog - citing depression in women as well as girls.

There is a good list of organizatins that can help at the end of the article, and some posters have provided others. Parents need to step up to the plate as best they can, but that does not change the environment in which they are raising their daughters.

Incidentally, it is my contention that we need to teach our boys and help our men understand the difficulties with unreasonable gender expectations for both girls and boys; however, this thread is addressing anger and powerlessness in girls. Much of it comes from the environment outside the home.

Mothers can help their girls - and they/we are certainly trying; but they can't do it by themselves. Many of them became "amazing women . . . despite . . societal or cultural obstacles" too, but it required much grit and determination, and a great deal of sacrifice and lack of support in many instances. Many turned their anger into motivation to become "amazing." That does not change what this blog is showing.
07:19 AM on 08/03/2012
I hear your concerns, but women in general face the same onslaught as girls and young women. There are certainly more moms today who can and do show their daughters how to be strong, independent and to navigate all the ways that society puts us/them down. Even so, it's a trickle. Far more moms have self-esteem issues, struggle with depression/anxiety, in addition to busting their you know what's in low-wage jobs. It's still a small minority of women who earn good salaries and are in great jobs that they love. So, your concern and questions are certainly valid. Just offering another side to why moms don't/can't/won't be more proactive in this.
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02:26 PM on 08/02/2012
I was reading an essay on teaching a college composition class, written by a famous SF author (I want to say Atwood, but perhaps I misremember).

Anyway, she conducted an experiment. Separated the class by gender & placed them in different rooms. Then she asked each roomful of students to write down what they feared most from the other gender.

The women wrote that they feared being raped, being physically assaulted, being murdered by a man.

The men wrote that they feared being laughed at by a woman.
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04:09 PM on 08/02/2012
Have to find that one. Thanks.
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08:05 PM on 08/02/2012
It's definitely Atwood: a quick search identifies her with a simplified version of that quote/story

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/3472.Margaret_Atwood

I think it's from an essay collected in the book "Writing with Intent."
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06:16 PM on 08/02/2012
Point being that this may be an indication that men don't see women as a threat other than humiliation. Makes sense. Physical strength and aggression is something to fear. Those are not female traits.
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11:06 PM on 08/02/2012
The interesting thing is, men might do well to consider them more of a threat than they do. Especially in places like here where I live, Texas. Women don't carry guns at the same rate men here do. Not yet. But a lot of them do, mostly for self defense. I keep thinking about this looking at some of these volleyball players, swimmers and other young women in the Olympics. Athletic young women today are powerfully strong and could easily be a force to be reckoned with. Because they're not fueled by the same levels of aggression, generally, they're less likely to inflict violence randomly or impulsively. But it's still interesting that they're much more of a physical threat than they are sometimes regarded as.
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11:32 PM on 08/02/2012
I know it is difficult to take a woman's perspective, A, just as it is for many women to take a man's. But in this case, we are talking about women's experience and its uniqueness, or differentness from men's.

Point being that the threat of sexual (and other) violence from a man is something that permeates every woman's life, but (almost) never a man's.
12:51 PM on 08/02/2012
"Girls, like boys, feel fully human, but culture tells them that they are not."

Statement like this destroy your credibility in the face of the proven concept of male disposability. Boys are raised think of themselves as human-doings while girls are raised to feel inherently valuable as human-beings.

We can have a discussion about female depression without you arguing that the state of men and boys is just fine. You clearly have not examined data on young boys, so do us a favor and don't make false claims about them, ok? Thanks.
01:20 PM on 08/02/2012
A human -doing? That's a new one. But what's offensive about that? I agree with it. Boys are raised to think that their value lies in what they DO - and that includes the full spectrum of human talents, skills, achievements.

Girls are relentlessly fed the message, from earliest days, that their value is in how they look and how men respond to it. What they "do" is not that important, especially to the men they're supposed to be pleasing, and is restricted to a limited spectrum.

In fact, this goes back to the TRUE definition of feminism: women's right to be seen as full and total human beings apart from and transcendent to their sexual utility to men. Just as men are not judged primarily - and certainly not exclusively - on their sexual attractiveness, women have the right to be judged on their complete and total humanity. Getting these messages out to girls, amid the din of a male dominant hypersexualized culture is, now more than ever, a losing battle.
02:56 PM on 08/02/2012
GG I don't understand you. You post hate-filled message after hate-filled message insulting me and my beliefs and even my entire gender. 
And then you say something like this which I actually find interesting and would like to discuss. I agree that women are hyper-specialized but I do not believe that precludes them from being considered human-beings, the "being" referencing their innate value whether they do anything or not. You see that as a disadvantage and I see it as an advantage.
It's a real pity we can't discuss issues like this because you're too busy insulting me and claiming I am some sort of male chauvinist. 
03:26 PM on 08/02/2012
"A human -doing? That's a new one. But what's offensive about that? I agree with it. Boys are raised to think that their value lies in what they DO - and that includes the full spectrum of human talents, skills, achievements. "

Doing is a hell of a lot harder than just being. Actually having to do things to prove your worth when the other party get's a free pass for just showing up is unfair. A double standard like this puts boys under a lot more pressure.

To put this into context for you imagine if when you were a teenager boys you liked demanded you buy them things as well as look good. That's the position boys are put in from a young age all while competing with older boys for the same girls. The pressure on boys is tremendous in the face of obvious female privilege that feminist fail to acknowledge.

Men have to earn their humanity, females get it for free.
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04:13 PM on 08/02/2012
So great that your screen name is Feminism in an Orwell kinda way. I didn't say any of the things you mention - didn't say boys men and boys are just fine - indeed started with a bang to the opposite. Didn't say I didn't examine data on young boys - indeed did, mentioned it and wrote a lengthy post or two recently about related topics. And didn't make ANY false claims that I am aware of, although am happy to consider any specifics you'd like to discuss. All I said was that this post was not about boys. It was about girls. That seems to be a hard concept for some. A discussion that is exclusively about girls does not automatically imply a loss for boys, which is how several commenter erroneously conclude.
12:21 PM on 08/05/2012
You said we shouldn't talk about boys and told us not to talk about that here. Well, men have every right to talk about the problems boys as facing as you have to talk about girls. You do not have say over what commentators say in this thread. Why can't we discuss the problems boys are facing? You don't think they suffer depression as well?
12:47 PM on 08/05/2012
You didn't just say this post was about boys. You criticized those who make comments about boys in the threads. I disagree with that. I think posters can bring up problems that boys go through when articles suggest that everything with boys is fine and they don't have a problem in the world.
11:32 AM on 08/02/2012
Powerful piece, thank you to the Author.

As a teenager, I was given this advice by a professional male friend of the family (whom I held in high regard):

"Don't be embarrassed to ask questions when in class/on the job. People assume you don't know anything, because you are girl."

In other words, there was no way I could go lower. That quote was made to me over twenty years ago. At that time, I found it saddening. Now, revolting.
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Soraya Chemaly
Writer
12:48 PM on 08/02/2012
That is so common, isn't it. I knew a woman who was in her first class of women at a university whose earliest memory of a professor in a classroom (in which she was the only woman) was to tell her "cross your legs and close the gates to hell." We have come a long way from that. But what we have now is insidious, often subtle, easily trivialized. At the core however, is the same hierarchical world view.
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Guitarsandmore
devoted father, community activist, musician, reti
01:52 AM on 08/02/2012
“I can control my thoughts
My emotions come from my thoughts
I can control my emotions”

“Your Erroneous Zones”- Dr. Wayne Dyer

“While some of the tendency to depression almost certainly is due to genetic destiny, some of that tendency seems due to reversible, pessimistic habits of thought…….” Page 240

“Emotional Intelligence” - Dr. Daniel Goleman

“Depression” – Charlie Rose show (depression disease)

http://www.charlierose.com/view/interview/12380

for really, really, big depressions