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A Sober Conversation with Max Watman, Author of Chasing the White Dog, on the Rise of White Whiskey (PHOTOS)

Posted: 04/15/10 03:25 PM ET

I drank my first moonshine by moonlight, squatting in a culvert behind an elastika, or tire repair shop, on the Bay of Euboea in Greece. I was surrounded by garbage, and enormous fish skeletons kept darting past my head, thrown away by the guests of the party I'd just wandered away from. I clutched to my bosom an unmarked plastic bottle of tsipouro, a spirit (more of a ghoul, really) home-distilled from pomace, the residue left over in a wine press.

I sniffed and took a pull. Then came a lot of choking and spluttering. It reminded me of being tossed into a pool as a child, had that pool been full of iced turpentine. When I returned to the States, my friend Max Watman told me he'd begun distilling moonshine in his backyard. My first thought, even before I considered the legal ramifications, was: "Why would anyone want to do that, when glorious quality-controlled booze is just a Google Map away?"

The answer, in Watman's case, is that he doesn't see the fun in taking the path of least resistance. So he set up his still, as the old song goes, a humble yet gorgeous copper Erector Set of coils and tubs, and proceeded to learn everything about white lightning, from the Whiskey Rebellion to the wretched inner-city "nip joints" of today. His new book, Chasing the White Dog, is calculated to make readers wonder, "Could I get away with that? Would it taste any good?"

Last spring I visited Max in the Hudson Valley, where he resides with his wife, son, a yard full of Araucana, Golden Laced Wyandotes, and a blue-ribbon-winning Buff Orpington hen, and the coolest clubhouse an adult male is allowed to have--a little red barn nicknamed "Kansas City," decorated with skulls, paperbacks, memorabilia from a bar once owned by Al Capone, and, of course, the still. We spent the afternoon drinking Jack Daniel's and Coors Banquet Beer, and by 2 or 3 a.m. Max was trying to convince me to get married and have kids, and I was trying to convince him to run the goddamn still already.

What happened between staggering to the corner gas station for propane and being ordered by an enraged wife to GO TO [expletive deleted] BED, ca. 4:30 a.m., remains a mystery. So I returned to the scene of the crime.

Remind me what we did with the still. I can sort of picture a copper coil, a white or maybe orange bucket, and a clear, hot liquid running directly into my mouth. Then I woke up at noon and found you downstairs with [your son], who was banging a pot with a spoon while you cradled your head in agony.

The keg stand (still stand?) was inadvisable, and I told you not to do it. It's no wonder you slept through all the early morning percussion.

Once the gear is set up, the process is pretty straightforward. You take a mash or a wash--something with an alcohol content in the neighborhood of wine or beer--and boil it slowly, catching the steam in a copper coil, which condenses the steam back into liquid. Since alcohol boils before water, you'll leave most of the water behind, and take out the alcohol. That stuff you were slurping right off the line was probably 150 proof.

What did you expect when you started White Dog, and what were the biggest surprises?

I expected something more pacific and bucolic than what I got. My research led me in strange directions, away from hillbillies, away from the Smoky Mountains. I thought I'd spend a lot of time at a party like the one in the old Mountain Dew commercial--a rope swing, a swimming hole, and cut-off blue jeans. Instead, I spent a lot of time reading federal indictments and working through evidentiary minutiae. I thought that most of the liquor I found would be good stuff made by people who wanted to carry on a mountain tradition. It's not that I didn't find any traditionalists--I did--it's just that they don't actually make much of the illicit booze floating around out there. The biggest still ever busted was a daisy-chained system of 800-gallon boilers in a building in Virginia; there were thirty-six of them. That's 28,800 gallons.

How did [your wife] take the news that you were going to be committing crimes in the backyard?

She's game. And anyway, our relationship is founded upon good-natured ribbing. Throughout the book I have a recurring joke in the footnotes--it's a kind of PSA for aspiring ne'er-do-wells--about "How to be a good criminal." When my wife edited the book, she put in her own series: "How to be a bad parent." Entries included: "Boil highly flammable liquids in the kitchen while everyone is asleep."

You write, "Most moonshine is drunk by African-Americans in unlicensed bars called nip joints or shot houses. . . ." You visited a nip joint with "Skillet," who "has been a paratrooper, a numbers runner, a crackhead, and a marijuana dealer." You also met NASCAR great Junior Johnson and learned to drive a stock car. Which of these two car quests was scarier?

I'm always more afraid of things over which I have no control. It was scarier, for instance, to be a passenger in a stock car than it was to drive one. (Clearly, I overestimate myself.) But these things are fun. They might be edgy, but they aren't scary. Alarm clocks are scary. Politics are scary. Race cars? Nip joints? That's entertainment.

You spent a fair amount of time hanging around both lawmen and moonshiners. Where do your sympathies lie now?

The lawmen I got to know impressed me a great deal. Most of the law enforcement in this country takes place after the crime has been committed. Any time you have a group of people working honestly and hard to find the bad guys, rather than simply to mop up the mess, you've got to respect them. I also visited a big, working moonshine operation. The place was very clean, very well put together, and the product they were making was very obviously high quality. It didn't have to be--it's not as if the health inspector was going to show up. But they had pride in what they do. That's the only way I can divide my sympathies.

Last year a Los Angeles Times article criticized the genre Steve Almond called "shtick lit," i.e., books by people who undertook weird projects in order to write about them. Is moonshining a shtick, or is it a lost art?

There are shtick books, for sure, but that's a dishonest approach to writing. There's only one reason to write a book, and that's because you think you have something to write about. We certainly run the risk of being forced into the artificial fabrication of originality--sort of like what happened with doctoral dissertations, where one must go further and further afield to find something that has gone unsaid. But a book has to be about something, and there's nothing shticky about an authentic experience that resonates. Moonshining is all of the above--a lost art, a trend, a continuing criminal enterprise, and, for some, a shtick.

Why shouldn't we leave whiskey to the big professional distillers?

Most people should. But those of us who want to get our hands on the process should be allowed to do it. I like to cure my own meat. I like my chickens. I think that if we can make 300 gallons of wine per year without legal consequence, we ought to be able to boil the alcohol out of that wine as well. It's an arbitrary line--spirits versus wine and beer--and it should be erased. This is something that people love, and they spend money on it, and if we invigorated the world of hobby distilling, rather than criminalized it, we'd end up with smarter drinkers.

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I drank my first moonshine by moonlight, squatting in a culvert behind an elastika, or tire repair shop, on the Bay of Euboea in Greece. I was surrounded by garbage, and enormous fish skeletons kept d...
I drank my first moonshine by moonlight, squatting in a culvert behind an elastika, or tire repair shop, on the Bay of Euboea in Greece. I was surrounded by garbage, and enormous fish skeletons kept d...
 
 
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04:42 PM on 04/19/2010
i've had some really good stuff and some gawd awful stuff. I do wish my state would change its constitution to permit distilleries to manufacuture in the tradition of some of the old moonshining families in the north and west parts of the state. i would like to see museums around it and small batch distilling families be given licenses for on premises sales etc. that old bonded stuff may be safe, but if it's all the same to you, governor, let me have some of papa's old recipe.
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01:22 AM on 04/19/2010
Some years ago in the New Yorker (of all places) there was an article on moonshining. At that time most of the pros ran a still using old car radiators instead of copper pipe and often added a chemical which made the product appear to have a higher than actual proof. So before you buy any, remember chemical and lead poisoning is quite possible.
08:55 PM on 04/17/2010
We have more than a few stills operating here in the Hudson Valley, but everyone (who operates one) seems to think that their production - in small amounts for personal consumption - is perfectly legal. The typical producer is distilling the grape must left over after the season's home made wine is pressed. The resulting "grappa" is best used to make limoncello or nocino. I make some very fall. Straight from the still it is best used as a substitute for zippo fuel.
11:15 PM on 04/16/2010
My fiancee lived in WV for a long time growing up - he 'ran shine' for a short time in his teens - he still gets a regular supply of moonshine - flavored- cherry, peach, lemon...

He and the guys love it - say it's soooo smoooth and tastes so good - really mellows them out - none of them have hangovers either.
05:59 PM on 04/16/2010
Do you know how many people that poor Mrs. Watman has screamed at in the wee hours. Poor girl. My father in law was one of them.
03:05 PM on 04/16/2010
A couple of points.

1. Anything you distill was in your wash to begin with, which means everything in your distilled beverage is also in beer and wine.
2. Ethanol in any form such as distilled spirits, beer, wine, etc. can get you drunk, and give you a hangover. Distillation changes none of those properties.
3. Distilling is not cheap. When you add the cost of the materials to make the wash, plus propane or electricity, the cheapest I have been able to calculate is ~$5 a fifth. If you want to make whiskey, it gets closer to $15 a fifth (unless you grow and malt your own grain).

Now carry on :)
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11:15 PM on 04/16/2010
I don't make the stuff but the guy that was giving me flying lessons made his own ethanol fuel. If you use corn mash and a good yeast you can make it for about 4 bucks a gallon 5 bucks a fifth seems a little bit high. If it was that expensive I'm sure that poor folks would not be making their own.
01:08 AM on 04/17/2010
Unless you are reharvesting your yeast, it is $1.60 before shipping for a packet of Nottingham yeast. If you want the Good Stuff, it is almost $7 for a sachet of yeast. Plus, the BTU's for heating your mash if you are making anything from grain is between $1-$8 dollars, depending on size of the batch. Making larger batches lowers the per unit cost, but the up front capital for turning 20, 50, 100 gallon washes into spirits gets expensive fast.

I am really not combative, but the math that many home brewers (and distillers) use isn't usually up to par.
01:36 PM on 04/16/2010
My brother drinks alot of moonshine but he don't handle it real well. Our neighbor, Mr. Wiley, runs off a batch or two every couple of weeks. Once I was out in our back yard cookin up a big fat hen on our homemade barbecue pit. I had that chicken on a hand-crank spit and was turnin her real slow over the fire. My brother had been over at Wiley's having a few nips and got real drunk and belligerent. Wiley made him come home so he come stumblin out of the woods and into our back yard. He looks up and sees me and says, "Scuze me mister, but the music stopped and your monkey's on fire." Like I said, he don't handle it real well.
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10:14 AM on 04/16/2010
the reason shine was so demonized was so the government could collect taxes. Pure and simple.
12:03 PM on 04/16/2010
That is only half the story. The other half is that cars were originally designed to run on alcohol, aka moonshine. This means that we could all be making our own car fuel in the backyard. Certain oil barons saw the future differently and helped make it illegal to make your own alcohol, and car engines were redesigned to run on gasoline. It is a fascinating part of American history, documented by many books and movies.
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09:38 AM on 04/16/2010
I once brewed a batch of beer, even though I'm not much of a beer drinker. In a world full of mass-produced goods that appear mysteriously on the store shelf, it's good to have something slightly distinctive that you've made yourself. I would like to see hobby distilling be legal, but it sounds as though if you do it wrong you can get methanol or higher alcohols instead of all ethanol. There should probably be some safeguards in place against people accidentally poisoning themselves and their friends. I think it could be done without being much of a burden on responsible hobbyists.
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07:18 AM on 04/16/2010
Nah. White lightning, made by chemists and doctors, not for profit, is VERY pure. In fact, it is so pure that you (1) can't get drunk on it. If you drink too much, you just go to sleep. and (2), you NEVER have a hangover. If you make this for yourself, and follow simple rules of chemistry, sugar cane provides an excellent source of raw material.

I am a doctor and I make about a quart a month for my own use. The equipment required an investment but it can be used for many other things. The formula is simple. use the top and bottom for fuel and drink that quart which comes off the middle. Filter it, check it for purity and save yourself thousands of dollars a year on imported potato alcohol from Russia.
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sharbear
02:52 AM on 04/16/2010
Have some now, it is delicious. We drink it lightly and with care but the flavor..is delicious.
01:25 AM on 04/16/2010
Max's book on this topic is fantastic.!

There are some fantastic white dogs out there from small batch distillers like Charbay's Double and Twisted Light Whiskey : http://www.drinkspirits.com/whiskey/charbay-doubled-twisted-light-whiskey which are complex, floral and amazing to drink.

More and more micro-distillers are releasing white dogs and I really think it's going to be a category that simply explodes.
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11:08 PM on 04/15/2010
Why break the law just apply for an fuel license.

In May 1979, the US Treasury, in conjunction with BATF, proposed legislation to Congress to facilitate alcohol fuel production. With minor changes Congress added this proposal to the Crude Oil Windfall Profit Tax Act of 1980 (Public Law 96-223). The Act granted the Secretary the authority to waive provisions of law relating to distilled spirits. The pertinent portions of the Act become effective July 1, 1980.
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Robert Meek
10:50 PM on 04/15/2010
Moonshine, aka White Lightning = true liquid FIRE. It will burn your throat and gut sorely so. You sip a TINY amount, and drink a TEENIE bit - even so, you will be VERY drunk and dizzy. Any more than that, and you are in great pain, and totally pickled.
11:16 PM on 04/16/2010
Not if it's done right........
09:09 PM on 04/15/2010
Sorry. I love a drink but this one is best left alone. A friend brought me a batch and I gave back the unused portion. I've never had a hangover that bad, even when I was dry retching after drinking too much vodka.