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Stephen Gyllenhaal

Stephen Gyllenhaal

Posted: March 15, 2010 12:31 PM

The Eleventh Commandment

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I'm sitting in a little café-bar in Orvieto, Italy right now, ruminating on an argument that has kept rattling around in my head for about a week now. The supposition -- I think it was Saint Augustine that various folks on the right wing have been referencing recently -- is that from the earliest days the Churches of Europe and all their members had every right to defend themselves against murderous infidels: to torture them during the Inquisition; to kill them during various Crusades, etc; to bomb them nowadays -- to at least waterboard them.

At the same time that these arguments have been bumping around inside my skull there has also been this image of a grizzled guy on a billboard in LA right now (I was there last week, I'll be back in the next). He was pointing a gun at me as I drove by. (I didn't take it personally, clearly he was pointing a gun at everyone that drove by.) He was pointing a big, shiny gun (as so many of the guys on billboards do in movies and TV) and the title above him in big, bold, important letters read: "Justified."

Justified.

Cool. I got it. I got it back when Clint Eastwood said, "Make my day." Cool. Correct. Justified. And then of course there's the argument that if someone is breaking into your home don't you have the right to kill him/her? You have to protect your children, your belongings, yourself. And you get off scott-free if you pull it off under the circumstances of self-defense, right? It's the law.

Justified.

Also there's an argument that we have to stop the terrorists. The Middle East is as good a place as any, then. And smart. Cut them off "at the root," wipe em out where they live -- and the other Biblical adage: "an eye for an eye." Except in that case to kill the person, they would have to kill you first. Complicated.

But justified.

Then I go back (in this very religious town of Orvieto) to what everyone who is religious (that would be most of the right wing) claims is the real thing -- said by God, the Ten Commandments. And in that document, set down very clearly is the statement: "Thou shall not kill."

Thou shall not kill. It's very clear. The killing thing -- thou shalt not do it.

One argument against paying much attention to this commandment, of course, is the other commandments on that list like "thou shalt not covet they neighbor's wife or his man servant or his maid servant" etc -- not all that applicable nowadays -- so there is a justified justification I think for throwing out the whole damn "thou shalt not kill" concept, throw out the whole damn Ten Commandments while you're at it -- too old fashion, too simplistic.

Still -- it would have been nice, it would've been convenient (for the very religious folk and for the rest of us semi-religious people, as well) if God had made the thing a little clearer, like an Eleventh Commandment that said "thou shalt not be killed." Then there would be no problem at all. Obama, Bush (before him) and then all the guys before that -- just about everyone who has/is/or will be living on this planet would be able to point to that Eleventh Commandment and say -- you see? God said it. "Thou shalt not be killed", so let's go kill anyone who might possibly come after us. Yes. Yes. We really do need to keep raising trillions for the military at the expense of everything else. Yes. Yes. We do need to keep a gun or six in our closet. You see? "Thou shalt not be killed." Let's go at it -- now -- pick up a pistol, an Uzi, build a bigger missile, design a faster tank.

It would make this whole thing so much easier to swallow -- even the NRA would start to make complete sense and all these wars, all this slaughter, all the murder of innocent children, the execution of the bad guys behind bars using our tax dollars for the electricity and chemicals. I would sleep so -- so -- so -- much better at night if this Eleventh Commandment existed right now as clear as the bells that ring out here in this ancient Italian town where St Augustine might well have stopped by for a cup of espresso himself, like I'm doing right now. And maybe someone could also get a Palestinian or an Israeli to go back up onto that Mount Sinai or even a mountain nearby, see if a little addendum might not be able to be negotiated. Then wouldn't we all sleep a little bit better at night? Sure we would.

 
 
 

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robbcoffee
10:04 AM on 03/16/2010
Being that there are clear provisions for executing people in the bible, often for stupid things, I guess you can assume self defense is okay. Murder must be narrowly defined if you can legitimately stone a child to death for disobeying a parent.
In Christianity, it's a bit tougher... A lot of earlier Christians would go strictly by "turn the other cheek." Those denominations didn't survive long... The Cathars didn't spread their gospel very far.
But today, in a less anarchic environment, the Amish seem capable of embracing that hardcore philosophy.
08:14 PM on 03/15/2010
But there already IS an eleventh commandment; ten from Moses, one from Jesus: John 13:34ff "Love one another just as I have loved you . . . then you will be known as my disciples>'
06:35 PM on 03/15/2010
Thou shalt not die would be awesome if it were in the bible.
I can imagine Jesus on the cross yelling "I shall not die!!!!" then lightning shooting down from the sky and killing all the romans.
Yep that's what happens when you read "The Gospel of Bronson"
05:39 PM on 03/15/2010
I guess the apple does fall far from the tree.
03:44 PM on 03/15/2010
I don't believe any scholars are capable of saying with certainty whether or not "kill" or "murder" was meant in that commandment. It could be that there isn't an English word for what was meant. Further, the passive construction is not precluded.

For Christians, however, an eleventh commandment is often attributed, the source of which is said to be Jesus telling his disciples that they should love others as he loved them.

But still, there is enough parsing of modern language going on to justify whatever we feel like doing at any given time. No religious text can change that.
03:21 PM on 03/15/2010
And further to others comments - I'll just throw in that there are not just 10 commandments, but actually 613 commandments in the Bible.
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elaygee
02:05 PM on 03/15/2010
The ten commandments does NOT say thou shall not kill. It says, in Aramaic, Thou Shall Not Murder, a big difference from killing. You may kill at any time to protect yourself, to defend your home and possessions and nation, even preemptively as exemplified in the bible. You cannot plan to kill someone for no reason including coveting his possessions and family which is already covered in another commandment. You may even kill someone accidentally and not be killed in revenge as there are biblical rules and laws for the protection of such people. Payment of fines or compensation may do.
03:45 PM on 03/15/2010
Moses is the attributed author of the Torah, which was in ancient Hebrew, not Aramaic.
04:23 PM on 03/15/2010
Then that would mean that nations that claim to be "god fearing" should get rid of executions because those are nothing short of intentional killings as there is not a situation of immediate threat to others since the prisoner is securely behind bars already. But I guess what it really boils down to as the author is alluding to is the hypocrisy and desire for revenge that permeates the u.s in particular, although I dare say human nature as well.
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02:05 PM on 03/15/2010
Thanks for that...several minutes of my life I'll never get back...
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WilliamBradford
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02:04 PM on 03/15/2010
Since he has so much free time to ruminate, the author might want to do just a little research into the meaning of any of the Ten Commandments, especially the one in question.

In most "original" version of the bible, the commandment says "Thou shall not murder". This was specifically different from "kill". Murder is the unlawful taking of life. The God of the Old Testament recognized that accidental killing, killing as punishment, and killing as a result of war was part of human existence and was not prohibited as inherently sinful.

In his quest for truth, is the author arguing that we do not have a right to protect our lives?
04:16 PM on 03/15/2010
Was Tyack justified (Bakersfield, 1982) in shooting a gay neighbor because he hated them so much that he believed that his life was threatened when one approached his truck to discuss a local issue?

This is a rare issue where I agree with the Biblical literalists. If you abide by 'Thou shalt not kill' absolutely, then there is no chance that you will mistakenly kill (or execute) anyone.
05:46 PM on 03/15/2010
One of the Jain sects of India take this commandment literally.

Of course, it takes them three years to walk to the store because they are so concerned about stepping on an ant.
04:57 PM on 03/15/2010
There are two important subjects here. One is interpreting the wishes and thoughts of god and the second is in understanding the human element in the creation of laws. Theologians argue over this but I believe an understanding of god is simply that god doesn't change his mind on things. If he says he will do something then it gets done or a situation is just the way it is and that's all there is to it. God's law is irrefutable and unchanging. Thou shalt not kill says thou shalt not kill, not Thou shalt not kill, but...

People interpret things to suit their wishes or needs. You cannot extricate human feelings out of the equation when it relates to the moral backings for law. Laws at their root are created based around basic human feelings about acts that they feel should be reprimanded or in simple terms, revenge and the ability to receive compensation for harms done. Laws create 'order' by emphasizing what will be done to those who break this social compact of what is right and wrong or in essence, what will happen to those who gain the ire from the people.

The torah is the administration of gods law through entirely human created philosophies of how to punish wrongdoings of humans. Humans have the capacity to change their opinions and views since we are not limited to absolutes therefore it makes sense that laws and punishment can be altered through appeals to human sentimentality.