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Stephen Schlesinger

Stephen Schlesinger

Posted: June 12, 2010 11:15 AM

Maybe Karzai Isn't so Crazy After All

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Saturday's New York Times reports that Afghan President Hamid Karzai now doubts that the US and its NATO allies can defeat the Taliban. As a consequence, these days he is seeking to negotiate some sort of peace settlement with the insurgents. However certain members of his own administration are resisting this effort and are openly decrying what he is doing. But is that which Karzai is looking for such a dangerous proposition? Isn't this exactly what the Obama Administration is itself desirous of?

Maybe, indeed, it's time to stop pouncing on Karzai and give him a break and let him try to work out his own pacific outcome to the eight year old war (or the 25 years old war if you count the Russian invasion). After all, he is a Pastun and his opponents are fellow Pastuns, so they might have common grounds on which to parley. Furthermore, President Obama has set his own date for the beginning of the withdrawal of American troops from the country as of July 2011 -- which is an implicit admission that the US will not stay forever fighting Afghanistan's own battles. Finally much of the opposition to Karzai's overtures are coming from his Northern allies who are hard-bitten foes of any compromise with the Taliban, but remain a minority within Afghanistan.

Karzai's approach does not mean that the Taliban should be treated as equals and that Karzai must give up on all of the democratic, pro-women, pro-free press gains made over the past decade in Afghanistan. No one can forget that the Taliban is renowned for its viciousness as an enemy, killing anybody who opposes its extreme Islamic ideology out of a fundamentalist rage. But if one is trying to bring an end to a bloody internal conflict that has dragged on for years, then some energy and seriousness must be given over to working out a compromise that will restore the nation to being an orderly community. So such a deed must be sought. This has proved possible in Nepal where equally destructive Maoists rebels ultimately worked out a deal with Nepalese democrats that made possible a free society. Karzai's endeavor, in the end, is about being realistic, not crazy.

 
 
 
 
 
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01:23 PM on 06/14/2010
Now that the Pentagon has admitted that it has known for years that Afghanistan's minerals are worth trillions - and even before that admission, it was clear that holding Afghanistan maintains US leverage in the energy market in that region - we can guess that America will continue its sad attempt at colonization for many years to come. Although you mean well, Mr. Schlesinger, your problem - shared with many pundits right and left - is that you think our government is looking for some sort of 'solution' to the AFPAK problem (whether 'peace' or 'security from terrorism'). That's not true. Our corporation-driven gov't. is perfectly content with the way things are; human life has limited value, easily defined by wages, pensions, entitlements, court-determined damages, etc. But taken all together none of that equals the trillions of dollars continued imperialism promises our corporations and their political lackies.
As for Karzai - nobody ever thought he was crazy, just corrupt and so any dealing he does with the Taliban is suspect on the basis of how it would benefit him - that is, in money and continued power.
Besides, since he's just a colonial puppet, no deal with the Taliban woul be meaningful unless his US masters were deeply involved - and for the reasons given above, they never will be.
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Anthony C Wilson
12:40 PM on 06/14/2010
Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires. Have we not heard this one before? These tribal people will never trust foreign occupiers to either build up the infrastructure, provide security or develop a functional economy (like we are good at any of these anyway) - not to mention the cultural gulf between us and them. We need to start bringing our troops home from the bases all over the world. If most Americans realized that the main purpose of our militray was to protect corporate property and the endeavors of the aristocracy and that it has absolutely nothing to do with protecting our freedom at home (what a bunch of bull) - they would demand an end to this corporate welfare and would be in the streets until every soldier was brought home. It is very troubling that this is not already the case. We do a great job as a country paying attention to the news of the day. But how often we forget what it takes to keep our government accountable to us and let ourselves be led off to war by our own ignorance and fear. War is not about one people vs. the next - it's poor people dying so the rich can cash checks!
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08:28 AM on 06/14/2010
Well now he and the corporate world can exploit the Afghan people even more not only the drugs but here comes more good news for him to become very rich the mineral stash found in his country, making it another China. Work his people for 50 cents a day and make top dollar for lithium!
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02:57 AM on 06/14/2010
It's been entirely obvious from the beginning that the US would eventually bail and leave their local allies to hold the bag and make what peace they can with the Taliban. Under the circumatances only a complete idiot would neglect to have a parachute at the ready, to be used when that inevitible day arrives.
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01:28 AM on 06/14/2010
My question about all of this is the date of the earliest assay reports on Afghan mineral holdings. There's gold, and lithium, and other minerals in them-thar hills. How many multinationals are chomping at the bit to start up the old mining equipment, there? Karzai? Isn't he just kind of a figurehead in this sorry saga?
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03:21 AM on 06/14/2010
Yeah - The announcement about the mineral wealth which was "discovered" in 2004 from reviewing Soviet era exploration documents sounds very, very fishy. Did the CIA know about this and why not? Did Cheney know? Could 9/11 have been about this or partly about this massive wealth?

In Richard Clark's - Against All Enemies, he describes talks between Cheney and the Taliban just prior to the attacks. Are we fighting to grab natural resources that would go to China or Russia if we didn't have a footing and why now?

Just asking.
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01:21 AM on 06/14/2010
I agree. Karzai has to negotiate with the Taliban. The USA is leaving him holding the bag and apparently kicking him on the way out the door because the election was such a fiasco. The Taliban and Unocal (now Chevron) had a deal worked out years ago for the pipeline, but some Cowboy decided to go in and shoot the place up instead. The Taliban will deal but the USA wants a democratic government, which the Taliban could easily dominate as the revolutionary hero political party. Everybody has a lot to gain from a peaceful solution.
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Matt Osborne
12:39 AM on 06/14/2010
"Karzai's endeavor, in the end, is about being realistic, not crazy."

News of large rare-Earth mineral deposits being found in Afghanistan suggest Kharzai is quite rationally pursuing kleptocratic monoeconomy.
11:49 PM on 06/13/2010
It would be weird to think there could be a Taliban of Karzaii or Taliban of the US. But that's probably the way through the culling process defeating rebels in Afghanistan. Rebuilding the Taliban to gain regional support could mirror thousands of Muslim communities around the world. It would be a faster way to find war criminals and put them on trial.
11:04 PM on 06/13/2010
Of course Karzai's not crazy. We and NATO are crazy for having anything to do with him and his drug dealing relatives. How many Afghans do you see wandering around Kabul with gold threaded robes draped over their shoulders. I wonder which country will be the next to admit that going into Afghanistan was a monumental mistake?
10:30 PM on 06/13/2010
Karzai doing a deal is about the only way out for the USA
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08:33 PM on 06/13/2010
Afghanistan the grave yard of EMPIRES. the last empire to fall at her feet was Russia.
we are well on our way to be the next one. We should learn from the lessons of history.
Every Empire historically that invaded this country despite its advanced military prowess
has always fell short of its goals. The" REAL" enemy has and always will be a financial one. the secret of this, is they "KNOW IT" and "WE DO NOT". Lets us leave now while we have our pants. we have already lost our shirts and shoes over the past 8 years. how much more are we willing to lose is the question? let us not fall victim to false pride that somehow we are different and better of those that failed and cannot happen to us. Many of those that went before us believed the same thing. A Financial "IED" is what this war has become to our economy. Afghanistan is a FINANCIAL TRAP! A trap for a nation to fall victim of its pride. Look at the numbers, they do not add up and do not bode well for continued spending. We must Declare "VICTORY" and "LEAVE" is our best option.
10:31 PM on 06/13/2010
vernie agreed
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12:06 PM on 06/13/2010
Competence for leading nations to rational solutions is seldom found in US foreign policy. Perhaps, this is due to the fact that our constitution doesn't cover foreign citizens. There exists no guidelines of our resonsibilites and obligations in foreign matters, other than a warriors philosophy and a politicians back room manuevering of choice.

This has been a growing problem of the US ever since our corporations became global enterprises. And, it is not easily fixable because we are run by two parties that first represent corporate interests, and then negotiate and compromise to death everything else.
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07:16 AM on 06/13/2010
Karzai has lost confidence in the Allied forces to deliver him a military victory over the Taliban, has little confidence that Allied troops will stay in the long- or even medium-term, and has no confidence in his own forces to do any more than to protect his palace. He sees the only feasible political outcome as accommodation with the Taliban, if for no other reason so that they don't behead him as soon as they gain power.

Pakistan, too, appears to be betting on a Taliban victory. The BBC have just published a report ( http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/south_asia/10302946.stm ) that the Pakistan intelligence service is providing material support to the Taliban on a far larger scale than was previously imagined. Such a policy decision could only come from the highest political circles in Pakistan. If this report is true then Pakistan is laying the foundations for friendly relations with a Taliban-governed Afghanistan.

Karzai is widely seen in the region as a puppet of the west. His recent overtures to Iran would also point to him contemplating a political future independent of the west, and remaking his image as being his own man.
01:38 AM on 06/13/2010
Considering that McChrystal was saying recently that our recent efforts and NATO efforts have basically resulted in a tie in Afghanistan, Karzai may just be observing the obvious. (Course, McChrystal seemed to be hinting he needs yet another surge, but maybe that was just my take on WHY he would be saying such a thing).

Obvious - the Taliban are an aggressive segment of the largest population group in Afghanistan, over 10 million out of 29 million total.

The 25,000 Taliban in Afghanistan are NATIVE. So, we have to kill them, risking offending their relatives - the 10 million etc. - or push them around from area to area with our various offensives.

The 25,000 Taliban also potentially can merge into that population segment when we corner them - become one of the 10 million etc. indistinguishable from the others unless they are individually fingered by someone else.

But, as we found with Guantanamo detainees, when people are fingered by other people frequently it is for motives that have nothing to do with spotting the bad guys - and we wind up with detainees who are not what we wanted to catch.

So, this whole effort of pacifying Afghanistan by chasing Taliban from here to there seems unlikely to work. Karzai seems to be trying to elevate himself from our chosen leader of the Afghan puppet government to someone who will be in charge by the will of the people - ie - warlords. Good luck with that, K.
06:40 PM on 06/12/2010
Just let the Taliban and Omar run Kandahar and the Pastun tribes in the south. Let it be a province. No schools, women staying home and the rest of Taliban governing will eventually make that area look like North Korea. The Taliban will fall into irrelevance because they will be essentially governing back to the stone age.