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Occupy Wall Street: Obama's Jobs Bill

Posted: 10/16/11 12:30 PM ET

I live in New York City and went downtown to Zuccotti Park to visit the Occupy Wall Street encampment yesterday. The Park is not a grassy expanse, but instead a long rectangular slab of concrete. On this hard surface people were sleeping or talking or holding signs or chanting anti-banker slogans. The assemblage itself was an intriguing mix of demonstrators, tourists, passerby New Yorkers, policemen, media people, young people, a few homeless. There were a few fringe protesters like the Socialist Workers Party. Blankets were strewn about, but there was a certain order to the scene. All in all, quite moving and poignant.

The common theme was "jobs, jobs, jobs." But still there is no agenda among the participants on how to create new employment. Which leads me to ask -- why, as a start, should Occupy Wall Street not support Obama's Jobs Bill?

Here is a direct act of governmental intervention to jump-start the entire hiring scene. Why can't Occupy Wall Street mobilize all this energy, emotion, anger, frustration and hard-work across the country to back this one legislative bill that can guarantee new work for millions of Americans. Why can't Occupy Wall Street protesters begin to put pressure on Congressmen and Senators to enact this initiative?

Instead Occupy Wall Street seems to shy away from this anything to do with the Obama idea. This seems to be odd -- and wrong. But there is still time to take this next step and play the role -- an immensely important one -- in bringing about this solution.

 
 
 
I live in New York City and went downtown to Zuccotti Park to visit the Occupy Wall Street encampment yesterday. The Park is not a grassy expanse, but instead a long rectangular slab of concrete. On t...
I live in New York City and went downtown to Zuccotti Park to visit the Occupy Wall Street encampment yesterday. The Park is not a grassy expanse, but instead a long rectangular slab of concrete. On t...
 
 
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04:38 PM on 10/18/2011
Why are so many criticizing OWS for being ineffective, leaderless hippies while simultaneously demanding they assume leadership of the country? Any one is free to use the energy created by these activists to promote their own agendas, as the writer of this piece has done. Yet people feeding off that energy should not presume (or be presumed) to enjoy a mutual endorsement.
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06:11 PM on 10/17/2011
After we get a constitutional amendment that makes real campaign finance reform permanent, let's advocate for the ultimate in congressional reform; send the Representatives home. Let the House of Representatives operate from their congressional districts and let them vote via secure data connections (VPN or better). Voter registration in the congressperson's district would be required in order to get face time with the congressperson.
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LazarusRises
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03:33 PM on 10/17/2011
There are at least 2 reasons why OWS does not support O. OWS is expressing the idea that "I am mad as Hell & not going to take it anymore". The 2nd is that "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". O. is definitely not part of any solution. He is merely another politician who sold the people out within moments of taking his oath of office. O. adds more weight to the propositio­n that we no longer have a 2 party system of government­. What we now have are 2 Divisions of a Single Corporate Party.
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02:55 PM on 10/17/2011
And why are they not supporting Obama? Because the Obama jobs plan was never intended to be passed anyway. There's a better jobs plan out there by the progressive wing in the House.

I say that a companies employment should be in line with their employment. If they make record profits and don't hire, they are subject to a higher tax rate. If they fire 30.000 people and were making record money they are subject to a higher tax rate. If they make profits and hire people, they pay less taxes.
Direct incentive for these big companies to hire. I haven't worked out exactly how much each person is worth tax-wise, but i'm sure we could figure out a formula.
02:49 PM on 10/17/2011
A reason not cited by you or by many people below is that any progressives that have followed its record do not trust Mr. Obama's administration any more. It has many times shown itself to be pro-Wall Street. Do you really trust a jobs bill from an administration spearheaded by Daley and Summers?
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06:13 PM on 10/17/2011
...and Geithner?
06:46 PM on 10/17/2011
Too true!!
02:42 PM on 10/17/2011
Why should Occupy Wall Street help a president who bought the "too big to fail" claim hook line and sinker?

This is a movement of people who want change they can believe in. Empty promises of the political status quo are not good enough anymore.
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dcflush
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03:04 PM on 10/17/2011
First, the 'too big to fail' with regard to banks (TARP) was passed before Obama took office. Second, The auto loan from Obama was all paid back and was a loan, not a giveaway.

And lastly, the jobs bill is a good bill that will help with our jobs recovery since corporations are making record profits and still aren't hiring.

But hey, why should anyone decide on any bill based on merit, when they can act like Republicans and oppose everything regardless of merit, or truth, or benefit, etc.
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03:40 PM on 10/17/2011
First, O. enacted banking regulations which, despite his earlier promise failed to address too big to fail. Secondly, the poster above you did not mention the auto loans, which were a good idea & saved the American auto industry. Third, like his first stimulus, this jobs Bill will not work because it is far too small. O. is not pushing for its passage. He is using it to create something, anything upon which he can run. O. has shown no interest in national survival, only his own. That is why O. MUST GO.
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dcflush
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02:40 PM on 10/17/2011
Again, I must point out. Corporations are making record profits and still aren't hiring. Thus, the only method that will spur almost immediate hiring is government intervention. Particularly infrastructure spending on our critically outdated and failing infrastructure (and no that doesn't mean just roads).

And this jobs bill is a solid solution that uses both Republican and Dem ideas to help create millions of jobs and help spur the private sector to create millions more.

PASS THIS JOBS BILL NOW!
02:16 PM on 10/17/2011
The U.S. needs systemic change, not a jobs bill.

It's encouraging to see so many OWS supporters not falling for the trap of any politicians, Obama included, who simply want to use the movement for their own advantage and/or re-election campaigns. The old system of two party politics is broken. Both parties have sold out to the highest bidders, have failed to adequately represent the needs of the 99%, degrading to nothing more than finger-pointing and blaming the other side time after time, while accomplishing little at a great economic and personal cost.

Obama's motivation for his jobs bill is transparent, writing it with no bipartisan input knowing it would not pass, nor even gain enough support from his own party to succeed. After demanding Congress pass it, embarking on a multi-month (re-election) campaign raging he would veto any attempt to break up the bill, and watching his approval ratings drop when that didn't work, this morning he derided Congress for evidently not being able to understand the complete bill, so he's going to break it apart to try to pass even some of it.

Gee, you might have tried that first, actually negotiating with Congress instead of campaigning and forcing us to endure additional months of failed economic policies.

Obama, you're fiddling while Rome burns. I voted for you, and I can't stand the "music" any longer.
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03:42 PM on 10/17/2011
FANNED.
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02:16 PM on 10/17/2011
Occupy wall street is not a political movement. It is a movement for political change. Backing one party or another would force change in the focus of the movement and not in a good way. GOP politicians like Cantor and McConnell try to frame this movement and any of its supporters as something dividing America. This movement is not dividing anybody! Washington and Wall street have spent years insidiously dividing people and causing hate and discontent between all Americans for years. This movement is about bringing people together not dividing us as the politicians and wealthy have been successfully doing for many years. All the reactions from people trying to demonize the wall street movement and any supporters are reactions to the fact that the movement is working and should continue as it is until both all party's in Washington and Wall Street bankers get the message and change how they do things. Because it doesn't support any political agenda is why it is growing the way it is. It is brilliant in its forming and its simplicity and it is rooting out those that brought destruction to the world and its people by not being Democrat or Republican. It is all of us. It is of the people.
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dcflush
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02:30 PM on 10/17/2011
The problem I see is that the movement is too focused on making it NOT political. And in doing so help the Republican lies and fear-mongering.

The jobs bill is good. It is a solid step towards a stronger jobs recovery.

I don't care if this movement wants to be seen as non-political. Political solutions are the ONLY solutions that will work at the moment because corporations are making record profits and still aren't hiring. And thus, if political solutions are the only solutions, by refusing to back a solid political solutions, the movement is helping Republicans by stalling/obstructing/opposing any improvement of our current situation.
LeanLeftAmerica
All generalizations are false, including this one
01:55 PM on 10/17/2011
The obstructionist CONS in congress have no intention of passing anything that will improve things in this country.

The American people understand this - why doesn't Obama understand this?

Occupy Wall St. is better off keeping partisanship out of this. Let the GOP side with the FAT CATS on WALL ST... it will be their downfall.
02:00 PM on 10/17/2011
I agree. This movement is more than about the political parties. The Dems in many ways have been only marginally better about corporate influence.

We need to get big money and corporations out of politics. This is the essence of the Occupy Wall Street Movement. Its about returning the system back to the people.
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dcflush
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02:17 PM on 10/17/2011
Ok, so let's assume everything you say is 100% accurate. How does that translate to not backing the Obama jobs bill?

Backing the Obama jobs bill is a crucial first step towards getting our economy back on track.

And trying to be against both parties is essentially admitting the GOP and the Dems are both as bad as the other. Which is patently untrue. While the Dems may have corporate contributors, they also work towards regulations of corporations of all kinds. Dems consistently try to protect the American people from corporate abuses.

So while Dems may not be perfect, trying to equate Dems and Republicans is a false equivalent that only helps Republicans in their claim that all government is bad.

Republicans claim government doesn't work, and prove it every time they get elected.
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dcflush
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02:20 PM on 10/17/2011
Obama does understand this. However, he also must fight on this one issue as hard as he can and force Republicans to obstruct, delay and stall any attempt at jobs growth.

Not only is it the right thing to do, it is also politically beneficial for President Obama to be seen as trying to help American jobless against the obstructionist GOP.

And if things go perfectly, public pressure will force at least some Republicans to vote in favor of the bill. I know, that is extremely unlikely. But it is possible. Keep in mind, Republicans occupy many House seats in districts that they easily could lose without some independent support.
03:28 PM on 10/17/2011
Nonsense. The Obama that championed "free trade" deals, adding more destinations for the "job craters" to ship our jobs off to, understands nothing about what the people need.

He is as useless to the left and, even more important, America as any other DLC type corporatist.

You want to see support for his tax cuts to destroy social security called a jobs bill? Go to an Obama rally and chant right wing mantra's like "Tax cuts create jobs!" with them.
01:46 PM on 10/17/2011
So a "fringe" career corporatis­t hack working at one of them corporate funded institutes of thinkology goes to a protest against career corporatis­t hacks and wonders:

"Why won't they support the staus quo?"

And all is well inside his unjustifia­bly obtuse beltway bobblehead for Obama land for a moment...

For you, maybe?

Is our corrupt politician­s learned yet? The corrupt ones in both political parties with their billions of corporate money buying their votes? The alleged "left" politician­s who pretend that this bill is good for the people? The politician­s that will kill the social safety nets with their super duper pass the buck committees­? The rotating cast of villain politician­s?

No, eh?

So we occupy.
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dcflush
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02:22 PM on 10/17/2011
Nonsense. Lumping both Dems and Republicans into the same criticisms only helps the Republicans with their lies.

And if you don't like the jobs bill, please state why. It is a crucial second step in creating millions of jobs.
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LazarusRises
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04:06 PM on 10/17/2011
There are no longer 2 parties. Merely Divisions of a Single Corporate Party. The jobs Bill is destined to fail on at least 3 levels. First, it fails to remove the tax benefits to companies which continue to EXPORT American jobs. There can be no recovery as long as Corporations are rewarded for Exporting American jobs. Second, it is far too small to provide anywhere near the stimulus the economy needs. Third, O. does not want it to pass. If it passes & does not turn the economy around, it will be seen as yet another O. failure.

O. only proposed it because he had faith the House would oppose it. Their opposition provides a platform from which he can attempt to get reelected. His record fails to provide any such platform. O.'s attempt to get reelected is one of the most transparent aspects of his presidency.
01:31 PM on 10/17/2011
First off, Obama's jobs bill is just part of his re-election campaign. The timing is all the evidence anyone needs of that.To endorse Obama's half-measure designed only to suddenly portray himself as a warrior for the middle class after 3 years of playing footsies with the 1% would be tantamount to campaigning for him. As a proud supporter of the Occupy movement, I can say with certainty that most of us understand Obama is part of the problem.

Secondly, why is a budding young movement of discontent expected to have all the answers? Did Gandhi show up in Champaran with a detailed Constitution and parlimentary structure for a new India? Did Rosa Parks have a blueprint for getting Civil Rights legislation passed in a divided Congress? OWS is a true grassroots movement. Demanding a comprehensive and calculated agenda now is like demanding a beautiful green lawn without seeding, watering, and waiting for roots to develop. You're thinking of astroturf.
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LazarusRises
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04:08 PM on 10/17/2011
Spot on. Fanned.
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12:50 PM on 10/17/2011
"why...should Occupy Wall Street not support Obama's Jobs Bill?"

Because you don't mobilize this kind of anger and passion to bolster a half-measure. Obama's mantra seems to be "Don't hit me.". OWS came to fight, not campaign.
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01:35 PM on 10/17/2011
Politicians would be expected to support the bill to appear to be "pro jobs" and avoid the criticism of being against jobs, yet they turn it down flat, both Republicans AND Democrats. If politicians don't get behind it even for show, it's no wonder the public isn't inpressed. Lack of jobs is the symptom of the problem. We want to get at the root cause of the problem; insufficient regulation of the financial industry, campaign contributions, etc.
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02:30 PM on 10/17/2011
Exactly. It's astounding how few people don't empathize with the frog being slowly boiled to death.
12:49 PM on 10/17/2011
Because the Jobs Bill is not enough. This protest is not just about jobs, but about redressing and correcting the huge imbalances in political and financial power between the top 1% and everyone else. Obama is complicit with the Corporate Party (ie Republicans), and he's offered no leadership for reforming the financial industry or undoing their straglehold on Washington. A jobs bill is good, but nowhere near enough. All of Washington needs to wake up, not more political obfuscation!
12:45 PM on 10/17/2011
I'd like to propose a Trans Continental Canal as a jobs project.
It's shovel ready.
There's a large potential workforce-people leaving NY, Illinois,California could find work before reaching Austin.
We could construct two. If we slanted them correctly,they'd both be down hill all the way.
and solar panel tiles -of which there are a surplus-could be the flooring
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04:11 PM on 10/17/2011
We get it. You are a proud Tea Pot, proud of your ignorance. Return to Faux News where they will tell you that all is right in your world.