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Why Egypt Will Not Turn Into Another Iran

Posted: 02/10/11 07:36 PM ET

Some prominent congressional leaders and media pundits, in a cynical effort to mislead the American public into supporting the Egyptian dictatorship and opposing the popular nonviolent struggle for democracy, have raised the specter of Egypt's government falling into the hands of radical Islamists who would attack Israel and support international terrorism. To illustrate this frightening scenario, these apologists for authoritarianism try to compare the pro-democracy uprising against the U.S.-backed Egyptian dictatorship of Hosni Mubarak with the 1978-79 insurrection against the U.S.-backed Iranian dictatorship of Shah Reza Pahlavi.

These backers of the Egyptian dictatorship have pointed out that the Iranian revolution was, like the current uprising in Egypt, initially a broad-based movement of young left-leaning activists struggling for greater democracy. They note, however, that not long after the Shah's overthrow, the Iranian government was taken over by anti-democratic Islamist clerics and their allies who soon turned Iran into a brutal authoritarian theocratic state whose repression soon surpassed even that of the ousted U.S.-backed monarch.

In reality, there is virtually no chance that Egypt will take such a tragic turn. Indeed, comparing the ouster of the Egyptian regime with that of the Shah is completely ahistorical.

More accurate analogies to the current struggle in Egypt would include the popular nonviolent insurrections that ousted the right-wing Latin American military juntas in Chile and Bolivia, the authoritarian Asian regimes in Mongolia, the Philippines and Nepal, the Eastern European Communist systems in Poland, East Germany, and Czechoslovakia, the African dictatorships in Madagascar and Benin, the post-Communist autocrats in Serbia and Ukraine, and more than a dozen other repressive regimes including such Muslim countries as Mali, Indonesia, Bangladesh, and the Maldives. The transition away from authoritarianism has been smoother in some of these countries than in others, but virtually all of them -- including those in which Islamist played a role in the pro-democracy struggle -- are democracies at this point.

Not Iran 1979

The difference between Egypt today and Iran of the late 1970s is striking.

The direction of the anti-Shah movement in Iran from the outset came from the exiled Ayatollah Khomeini and other Shiite Muslim clerics. Inspirational sermons, tactical advice, and specific calls for strikes and demonstrations came through smuggled cassette tapes, radio broadcasts, and other communication from the clerical leadership. Though many on the ground in the struggle against the Shah were leftists and other secular democratic forces -- some of whom organized important strikes, demonstrations, and other actions independently from the religious hierarchy -- the religious overtone of the demonstrations was apparent in the slogans, communiqués, banners, graffiti, and other means throughout the 13-month struggle that led to the Shah's overthrow in February 1979.

The overwhelming role played by religious forces in Iran contrasts with the ongoing demonstrations, strikes, and other actions in Egypt, which has been led from the outset by secular youth through the Internet and other means of communication. The slogans, communiqués, banners, graffiti, tweets, and Facebook messages have been almost exclusively secular in orientation, pushing nationalistic and liberal democratic themes. And, despite decades of U.S. support for the Mubarak dictatorship, the Egyptian protests have featured virtually no explicit anti-Americanism, a striking contrast with the Iranian revolution. Indeed, the current protests have almost exclusively focused on Mubarak's misrule rather than the U.S. role in enabling it.

Although most of the Egyptian protesters are presumably practicing Muslims, they show no desire to establish an Islamic state, which was an explicit demand of much of the Iranian revolution's leading activists from the beginning of the struggle.

The Shah's forced secularization of Iranian society -- which was merged in the minds of many Iranians with authoritarianism, corruption, inequality, and Western imperialism -- helped create the Islamist reaction. By contrast, Mubarak's regime, although nominally secular, quietly worked with conservative Muslim elements both to placate religious Egyptians -- by expanding religious programming in the media, engaging in religiously based censorship, and discrimination against the country's Coptic Christian minority -- as well as to mobilize some pro-regime Islamists to attack liberal and leftist opponents.

Another key distinction is that Iranian Muslims are overwhelmingly from the Shiite tradition, whereas Egyptian Muslims are Sunni. Shiites have a clear religious hierarchy; ayatollahs are essentially the equivalent of cardinals in the Catholic Church, with schools, medical facilities, social services, and businesses -- not to mention houses of worship and large numbers of clergy -- under their direct control. Iranian clerics had strong organizational networks under their command they could mobilize and consolidate against democratic secular forces in aftermath of the Shah's overthrow.

By contrast, Sunnis have an egalitarian tradition. Some clerics may have a bigger following than others, but -- unlike Shiites -- they do not have a privileged class of spiritual leaders whom believers are obliged to obey. While the Muslim Brotherhood and other Islamic groups have supported a network of health care clinics and other social services in Egypt, their leadership does not have anything close to the mobilizing capacity the Shiite clerics had in Iran. Indeed, according to Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotouh, a former member of the group's Guidance Council, they only operate half a dozen clinics in Cairo, a city of 18 million people.

The ayatollahs influence in Iranian society ended up determining the outcome of the Iranian revolution due to the thoroughness by which the Shah, through his dreaded U.S.-trained SAVAK (secret police), decimated the secular democratic opposition. The mosques and the Shiite religious institutions, by contrast, were much harder to penetrate and suppress and were thereby in a better position to take advantage of the power vacuum after the Shah's fall.

Most significantly, compared with Iran in the 1970s, Egypt today has a much stronger civil society, a more literate and educated population, greater access to information technologies that didn't exist in Iran or anywhere else 30 years ago, and -- despite serious economic hardships -- a larger middle class . Egypt also has a strong tradition of political parties going back to the nineteenth century. Though Egypt has for decades been a one-party state in terms of governance, and elections have been routinely stolen, there are well-established legal political parties. These include the New Wafd, Al-Ghad ("Tomorrow"), the National Progressive Unionists, the Nasserists, the Liberals (Ahrar), and more than a dozen others, virtually all liberal or left-wing.

In addition to these secular political parties, major secular pro-democracy groups include Kefaya (Enough!) and the April 6 Movement, the primary organizers of the recent demonstrations. Industrial labor unions and professional associations are far more prominent in the current demonstrations and in Egyptian society overall than they were in Iran at the time of the revolution. And, unlike Iran under the Shah, Egypt has virtually no prominent dissident Islamic clergy.

Another key distinction between Iran in the 1970s and Egypt today is economic. In Iran, the powerful traditional merchant class -- known as bazaaris -- was bitter at the Shah's draconian taxation, fines, and other efforts to place them at a disadvantage to his preferred neo-liberal economic development model that brought in foreign investment, foreign consumer goods, and other competition. They found a natural affinity with the religious hierarchy, who opposed such Western economic (and other) penetration and with whom they had strong historical ties, including intermarriage. As a result, they threw their considerable political and economic influence into the consolidation of clerical rule.

By contrast, the comparable traditional merchant class in Egypt is largely dependent on the tourist trade. Although Iran's foreign revenue overwhelmingly comes from its sizable oil exports, the number one source of foreign income for Egyptians has long been Western tourism, which would drop off considerably if Egypt fell under radical Islamist control. In addition, the merchant class in Egypt is disproportionately made up of Coptic Christians, who would obviously never support the establishment of an Islamist state.

In addition to the tourist trade, Egypt is far more dependent than Iran on good economic ties with Western countries in other ways as well. Egypt is the largest importer of grain in the world, most of which comes free of charge in the form of U.S. foreign aid. The country's very economic survival would be a stake if it developed a hostile relationship with the West. Iran, by contrast, is one of the world's largest oil exporters and -- despite U.S. sanctions -- has always had a steady source of outside revenue without foreign tourists or foreign aid.

The Muslim Brotherhood

U.S. apologists for the Egyptian regime point to the fact that the largest single opposition group -- and arguably best organized -- is the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement which has played a role in Egyptian politics since the 1920s. Being the single largest opposition group, however, does not mean that the Muslim Brotherhood has majority support -- far from it. Most estimates put their popular support at 20-15 percent, with the upper estimate at 30 percent or slightly higher. Its active adherents probably number no more than 100,000 out of a population of over 82 million. There are also serious divisions between the more progressive and more conservative elements within the movement, and it would likely split into two or more political parties once legalized. Indeed, according to the Egyptian newspaper El-Masry El-Youm, both the women's and youth wing appear to have already split from the Muslim Brotherhood last week and joined the April 6 Movement.

Many Egyptians have been attracted to the Brotherhood simply because it was the largest and best-organized opposition to the dictatorship. Should a post-Mubarak democratic order emerge, there would be a plethora of other political movements that would be able to organize without fear or political repression and many more visible and viable choices would be available to the Egyptian voter.

The young activists of Kefaya and the April 6 Movement consider the Muslim Brotherhood and its aging leadership to be as out of touch with their day-to-day realities as the regime. A full 60 percent of Egypt's population is under 30 years of age and -- like young people in most countries -- their attitudes regarding the role of women, sexuality, and related issues tends to be more tolerant than their elders, so the Muslim Brotherhood's social conservatism is not very appealing. In addition, since the Brotherhood has had a hard time recruiting younger members in recent years, their median age is much older than almost any other political grouping. The young people who have joined the movement during the past decade or so have tended to be modernists and reformers.

Also limiting the Muslim Brotherhood's appeal is that it not only refused to endorse the smaller protests and strikes of the young pro-democracy activists in the years leading up to the current uprising, it offered only a half-hearted and very belated endorsement of the massive protests of January 25 that launched the pro-democracy insurrection. Although their support for the demonstrations became more visible subsequently as the popular struggle gained momentum, this apparent opportunism has undoubtedly weakened their standing among those committed to creating a new Egypt.

U.S. officials in the State Department and elsewhere familiar with Egyptian politics, even under the Bush administration, have long dismissed claims that the demise of the Egyptian regime would lead to a fundamentalist state. U.S. ambassador to Egypt Frank Ricciardone argued in a January 2006 cable recently made public through WikiLeaks that "We do not accept the proposition that Egypt's only choices are a slow-to-reform authoritarian regime or an Islamist extremist one; nor do we see greater democracy in Egypt as leading necessarily to a government under the MB." In another cable three months earlier, the ambassador noted how Egyptian authorities "have a long history of threatening us with the MB bogeyman."

Not only will the Muslim Brotherhood not likely play a major role in a post-revolutionary Egyptian government, it is not an extremist group like the Taliban. A number of radical Islamist organizations, ranging from the Palestinian Hamas to the Egyptian Islamic Jihad, split off from the Muslim Brotherhood several decades ago. Today's Brotherhood,however, is a relatively moderate organization committed to electoral politics and nonviolent organizing. It formally renounced armed struggle more than 40 years ago and has repeatedly condemned terrorism, particularly the large-scale international terrorism of al-Qaeda.

The Muslim Brotherhood's so-called "al-Qaeda link" cited by U.S. apologists for the Egyptian dictatorship primarily is in regard to Ayman Al-Zawahiri, who had been a Muslim Brotherhood activist as a teenager and much later went on to co-found the terrorist organization with Osama bin Laden. Al-Zawahiri, however, rejected the Brotherhood precisely because of its rejection of violence and relatively moderate politics, which he denounced as a "betrayal" of "Islamic principles." According to the al-Qaeda second-in-command, the Muslim Brotherhood was "falsely affiliated with Islam" because its leadership allegedly "forget about the rule of Shariah, welcome the Crusaders' bases in your countries and acknowledge the existence of the Jews."

In a democratic election, the Muslim Brotherhood would likely win scores of seats in the 454-member lower house and could even conceivably be a junior partner in a coalition government. But its political orientation would not be much different from the legal conservative Muslim-identified parties currently in the Jordanian and Moroccan parliaments or even the ruling Justice and Development Party in Turkey. Indeed, the Muslim Brotherhood would likely be more moderate and more committed to the democratic process than some of the hard-line fundamentalist Jewish parties in the current ruling coalition government of Israel, America's closest ally in the Middle East.

Though strongly anti-Israel, the Muslim Brotherhood recognizes along with the Egyptian armed forces that Israel cannot be defeated militarily. Egypt fought four wars with Israel between 1948 and 1973 and lost each one badly at considerable costs; the military balance is even more skewed in Israel's favor today. Support for terrorist groups would invite devastating Israeli military reprisals. With so many desperate economic and other domestic problems to deal with in a post-Mubarak era, the last thing Egyptians would support is a war with a powerful neighbor they would surely lose. Although a democratic Egyptian government would likely be more outspoken in support of the Palestinian cause and in opposition to the current right-wing Israeli government -- and would likely ease the blockade of food, medicines and other humanitarian goods into the besieged Gaza Strip -- it would never abrogate Egypt's 1978 peace agreement with Israel. Too much U.S. aid depends on maintaining the agreement.

Nonviolent Democratic Change

Virtually all of the largely nonviolent civil insurrections around the world over the past three decades have led to democratic governance and moderate secular leadership. There is little reason to suspect Egypt would be different. Such nonviolent revolutions require the building of broad coalitions that help encourage pluralism and compromise, empower ordinary people, and build civil society. This creates not just political change but fundamental social change of the kind that has the will and the means to resist potential encroachments against newfound democratic institutions and individual liberties.

Such movements contrast with armed struggles against authoritarian governments, where martial values predominate and an elite vanguard controls the course of the revolution, more often than not resulting in another dictatorship.

Even more problematic is when a dictator is overthrown through outside intervention, since the newly installed regime dependent on a foreign occupying force tends to result in its delegitimization in the eyes of their citizens, creating a nationalist reaction that could lead to a violent insurrection that in turn leads to repressive rule. Indeed, this is exactly what has taken place in Iraq. Ironically, most of the prominent American pundits and politicians now claiming that Egypt's nonviolent indigenous struggle against Mubarak will result in a repressive Iranian-backed fundamentalist regime are some of the very people who supported the U.S. invasion of Iraq -- which has resulted in a repressive Iranian-backed fundamentalist regime.

A democratic Egyptian government will certainly take more independent positions from the United States on some strategic and economic issues. It would likely be less amenable to the dictates of the International Monetary Fund and other international financial institutions. Being dependent on the will of the Egyptian people for its authority, such a government will likely be relatively nationalistic, attempting to prioritize the needs of Egyptians more than the current authoritarian regime has felt obliged to do.

However, while a democratic Egypt -- which could help pave the way for greater democracy elsewhere in the Arab world - may set back certain perceived U.S. strategic and economic interests in the short- to medium-term, it would be the best thing that could happen in the long-term.

Terrorism and extremism, Islamic and otherwise, tend to grow out of authoritarian societies where it becomes impossible to address grievances, defend human rights, and demand social and economic justice through democratic means. "The images of intimidation and fraud that have emerged from the recent elections favor the Islamist extremists whom we both oppose," Ambassador Ricciardone acknowledged in a cable to FBI director Robert Mueller following the 2005 Egyptian elections. "The best way to counter narrow-minded Islamist politics is to open the system." It's no surprise that virtually all of al-Qaeda's leaders and financial backers -- and a large majority of its members -- have come from countries ruled by U.S.-backed dictators like Mubarak.

For its overall national security interests, then, the United States must end its support of the Mubarak regime and other Middle Eastern dictators and welcome nonviolent democratic movements for change.

 
Some prominent congressional leaders and media pundits, in a cynical effort to mislead the American public into supporting the Egyptian dictatorship and opposing the popular nonviolent struggle for de...
Some prominent congressional leaders and media pundits, in a cynical effort to mislead the American public into supporting the Egyptian dictatorship and opposing the popular nonviolent struggle for de...
 
 
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Cynthia Rays
peace in the valley seeker
05:36 PM on 02/11/2011
Also it must be remembered that the Shah of Iran was put into power by the US. The Iranians had a real reason to hate the US meddling and setting up a government that tortured and suppressed the opposition.
The Egyptian people do not hate Americans. They enjoy many aspects of American culture and welcome tourists.
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karim banned
A fool's mind is at the mercy of his tongue and a
05:14 PM on 02/11/2011
Today 2/11 is the aniversery of Iran's revolution.

It is also the date that Mubarak was brought down.

You are very lucky if the similarities stay at one.

Congratulation for Iranians and Egyptians for February 11th the day of victory for both nations.
11:58 AM on 02/11/2011
This will turn to another Islamic system like Iran, witnessed the same process in Iran in 1979;

Demos for greater civil rights and against corruption of the ruling system motivated more people, whom more than 60 percent of them were living in villages with deep religious tendency.
Islamists gained power resorting to them, soon.
Now 60 percent of Egptians are poor peasants with religious tendency, too.
02:49 PM on 02/11/2011
No... there is NO chance of Egypt turning into an Islamic Republic like Iran did.  Virtually zero in my opinion. 
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loOranks
I am the master of my fate; captain of my soul
08:03 AM on 02/15/2011
Why?
10:33 PM on 02/11/2011
No. Egypt doesn't have a khomeini.
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loOranks
I am the master of my fate; captain of my soul
08:02 AM on 02/15/2011
The Grand Mufti of Egypt, Sheikh Ali Goma'a, could fit that role. Couple that with the fact the Muslim Brotherhood will apply to become a political party, it announced Tuesday, and Egypt could be heading to an Iran-like situation.
10:10 AM on 02/11/2011
great article . . the Egyptians do not want to replace one dictatorship with another . . . they want a democratic and secular government but Washington can't see that they are still blinkered by their out dated cold war thinking and their pro-israel stance . . if you can pardon the cliche . . . . they cannot see the wood for the trees of their own faulty assumptions . . . .
01:14 AM on 02/11/2011
We shall see won't we?
12:40 AM on 02/11/2011
Great Article. As an Iranian who lived thru Iran 79 Revolution , I agree with the posting but want to note the following:
1. Mullahs pretended they wanted a pluralistic democratic system. Khomeini in messages before takeover of power emphasized all he wanted that Islamic traditions to observed in society. He said all the political parties including communists and liberals were free to compete in post Shah society and all religious minorities were free to practice. References to Islamic Government as slogan in some rallies were interpreted by elite as some kind of government like today Turkey. Communists, leftist extremists, Islamist liberals, Islamic leftists (MKO), and at last secular liberals allied themselves with Khomeini as Gandhi like leader of the revolution . All of these groups were eliminated from political scenes in different stages by tyrant mullahs.
2. In parallel, Taliban managed to establish their brutal theocracy in Sunni Afghanistan after ouster of Soviet Backed communist regime, brutally eliminating competing forces in stages. West had supported Taliban and their rival Islamists in the fight against Soviet Occupier.
3. There are strong parallels between Iran 2009 uprising & Egypt uprising, both fueled by unemployed educated young people using social media. Both regimes have cheated in elections. and are brutal. Both societies deserve to have secular democratic system of government. The west has a responsibility to support both movements. With democracy in both Egypt and Iran, Palestinians and Israelis can have finally lasting peace and balance of power in the region are
02:49 PM on 02/11/2011
Excellent post... damet garm. 
12:19 AM on 02/11/2011
I agree with professor Zunes on many occasions. I agree with many points in this article as well, but this articles deals with details rather than the big picture. The times are different and of course Egypt is not Iran. The demography of the two countries are different, but the revolution in Iran was about the Shah and inequity. The revolution in progress in Egypt is about Mubarak and inequity. In both cases the foreign government that propped up the regime is the US, and both countries culturally have an almost chauvinistic view of their history. Whatever the future government of Egypt will be, Islamic, or completely secular (by the way Iran could have been secular even with Khomeini if a few things would have turned differently) the out come of Egyptian revolution, as far as foreign relations go will be more like Iran than any other country in the middle east. Although the reason for the revolution has nothing to do with foreign policy, the independent thinking behind it is congruent with the policy Iran is pursuing. By the way the way this revolution is progressing it is mimicking the Iranian revolution. Also in the 20th (and 21st) century only on two occasions such a large number of people were involved in a revolution, Russian 1917 and Iranian 1979.
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Vlady
Better Late
11:18 PM on 02/10/2011
>>Why Egypt Will Not Turn Into Another Iran

...but rather into another Gaza if brotherhood will manage to seize power and replicate the experience of their comrades from Hamas
11:44 PM on 02/10/2011
None sense, you have no idea what you're talking about.
01:14 AM on 02/11/2011
We shall see...and if he is right what will you say in return?
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lawrence of america
06:48 PM on 02/11/2011
and how will the brotherhood seize power, by magic? You saw the pictures, ylou saw the people they don't want an Islamic state, they want a free country. Maybe you should be concentrating on getting rid of your own fundamentalists in Israel.
You don't have to be a religous Arab to have the desire to stand up to the Israel. Maybe its time for Israel to show a little respect..only democracy in the region my Teez.
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Vlady
Better Late
08:00 PM on 02/11/2011
>>and how will the brotherhoo­d seize power, by magic?

No, but by the Allah's might and your wisdom
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loOranks
I am the master of my fate; captain of my soul
08:58 AM on 02/15/2011
It may size power very democratically: "Egypt's banned Muslim Brotherhood will apply to become a political party, it announced Tuesday.

The Brotherhood "envisions the establishment of a democratic, civil state that draws on universal measures of freedom and justice, with central Islamic values serving all Egyptians regardless of colour, creed, political trend or religion," it said in the statement."

http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/02/15/egypt.muslim.brotherhood/index.html?hpt=T2
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:50 PM on 02/10/2011
A high-profile controversy in Egypt and the US is whether the Muslim Brotherhood should be allowed to participate in elections. Many critics have accused it of not being genuinely committed to democracy, but seeking to impose a fundamentalist Islamic state.
The Muslim Brotherhood insists that it is committed to democracy, though it has at times said that it seeks to have a body of Islamic scholars who would have the power to veto legislation that it deemed to be contrary to the Koran.
Among the Egyptian public, views of the Muslim Brotherhood are positive. Sixty-four percent express positive views, 19 percent say they have mixed views and just 16 percent express negative views.
An even larger majority (69%) believe that the Muslim Brotherhood favors democracy. Only 22 percent think that it is still too extreme and not genuinely democratic.
At the same time, the Egyptian public shows sympathy for some Islamist ideas about democracy. Six in ten think the Egyptian government should be based on a form of democracy unique for Islam, as compared to 39 percent who say it should be based on universal principles of democracy. Three-quarters agree with the Muslim Brotherhood's idea that a body of religious scholars should have veto power over laws it believes are contrary to the Koran. While two-thirds say a non-Muslim should be able to run for elected office, only 36 percent say a non-Muslim should be able to run for President.
The University of Maryland's World Public Opinion view of what the Egyptians think of the Muslim Brotherhood, and democracy, from their 2009 survey.
 
I would also point to the 2010 Brookings Institute survey of 'the Arab world' which found that unlike those who are brought up believing in the need for an official total seperation fo church and state (who ignore the actual deep interconnection between the two in the country that screams that idea as being an absolute truth) the Egyptians (indeed, pretty much the entire Arab region) do NOT have the Pavlovian abhorance of Iran (or of having the laws at least partly based on Muslim, rather than Christian, principles)
DUSAA-1775
never moon a werewolf
12:01 AM on 02/11/2011
The director of national intelligence told congress today that the Muslim Brotherhood is mostly a secular movement.
Clearly he has no idea of what he is talking about either.
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:47 AM on 02/11/2011
Rather than trying to explain colour to people who refuse to see things in anything other than monochrome, he gave the answer that most accurately fitted the facts when all colours were removed.
 
To the American politician (and a lot of Americans who have been trained to see things that way), the choices in government for Muslims are 'secular' (will respect other religions and be ashamed of not being Christian) or 'Islamist' (will proudly proclaim themselves Muslim and oppress all other faiths).  There is no category for proudly Muslim and respecting other faiths in that worldview, and they put such in the 'Islamist' category (of course, if a Muslim politician were to use the same sort of standards to judge the US, it would fall into the same category, 'Crusaderist', that Germany of the last century fell into)
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:09 PM on 02/10/2011
In reality, there is virtually no chance that Egypt will take such a tragic turn should the revolution succeed in not only overthrowing Mubarak, but ousting his allies in the military and ruling party.
Except, of course, that there indeed every chance that the American right-wing will indeed succeed in convincing the American public and media that a democracy that proudly takes stances that the US hates because it exposes US hypocrisy is a 'brutal authoritarian theocratic state whose repression surpasses even that of the ousted U.S.-backed dictator'.
 
It might be harder to do so in the age of the internet, but the internet was up and running (though not as deeply imbedded in the culture) when American's bought 'Saddam was involved in 9/11'.
 
All it will take is an appeal to the American xenophobia (so proudly displayed during the health care debate), combining with wounded pride, and American xenoignorance (to coin a new term) and the narrative will be fixed, with the 'herds of independant media' quickly heading away from the barren grounds (telling American the truth when it is seen as unAmerican to say those things) and for the greener pastures (telling Americans what they want, indeed insist, on hearing)
09:24 PM on 02/10/2011
Let's face it, a lot of people got Iran wrong including our CIA. Iran turned out like it did partially because of the way we propped up the Shah and tried to sell him like a benevolent leader which he wasn't in fact, we looked as out of touch to the Iranian people as he did. Also, there was a resentment for the way our CIA came in in 1953 and overthrew a democratically elected government because the prime minister wanted to nationalize, you guessed it, oil. Our thirst for oil is one of the prevaling reasons they hate us over there and I think this time, we need to support the people and not look out of touch. We could support the revolution and possibly get a theocracy or do what we did with Iran and you're assured of one. The people are going to win and I think we need to show our support.
08:50 PM on 02/10/2011
I have seen several talking heads on MSNBC and a few commentators on NPR make the same case. I hope it is correct, but I am reserving judgement. Most of the reasons above I think are a bit oversold.

What is interesting to me is how desperate, how frantic the left is to claim that this "revolution" will turn out well. Is it so that it reflects better on the Administration, who has fumbled this "crisis" in historically inept fashion?
CognitoErgoSum
CogitoErgoSum was taken when I signed up.
11:58 PM on 02/10/2011
It's not our "crisis" to fumble. The Egyptians insist the struggle is about them and them only. Obama is doing the right thing by staying out of it.
12:38 PM on 02/11/2011
Interesting how differently Obama treated this one than the Green Revolution in Iran, isn't it? I think he might have looked better if he had followed the same policy he did with Iran; that is, dictatorships are good for Muslims, so tough.
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Paperless Tiger
08:36 PM on 02/10/2011
Anything that discourages Tourism and Trade is counter-productive and nobody wants to go to some place like Iran where they think you are a spy if you speak a foreign language. Then again nobody wants to go to a place where the populace is reduced to poverty. Again, the balance between Security and Democracy is the challenge of the future.
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kenhamlett
08:36 PM on 02/10/2011
Everyone is entitled to an opinion about what will happen in Egypt. But, I believe that the answer today is still that no one yet knows. It is still a volatile and fluid situation, and it holds dangers for the people of Egypt as well as for the rest of the world. Those who say with absolute certainty, as does Mr. Zunes, that Egypt will not become a theocracy cannot possibly know that to be true. I certainly would like to believe his analysis and conclusions, but I think they contain as many wishes as realities. History shows that democracy has not done well in Egypt over the course of many thousands of years. Could this be the beginning of a democratic age? I hope so, but I would not bet anything on it.
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tallen
panem et circenses
08:09 PM on 02/10/2011
In 1979 a professor at Princeton offered his carefully explained rationale for why Iran would become a free and democratic state, and not a theocracy.

“the depiction of Khomeini as fanatical, reactionary and the bearer of crude prejudices seems certainly and happily false...Having created a new model of popular revolution based, for the most part, on non-violent tactics. Iran may yet provide us with a desperately-needed model of humane governance for a third-world country. "
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F30C13FA3A5D12728DDDAF0994DA405B898BF1D3&scp=1&sq=Trusting+Khomeini&st=p
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Richard Pearce
Atheistic-agnostic Canadian polymath
10:15 PM on 02/10/2011
But of course it soon became more popular to believe the propaganda and those who told the truth became about as popular as those who tried to tell the truth about Iraq.  But seeing as the average American has yet to start paying a noticable price for doing so, there has not been the 'oh, we let ourselves get fooled, here is the truth, sorry, we won't let ourselves do that again' moment.