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Steve Benen

Posted: March 13, 2008 01:44 PM

The Benefits of Taking on McCain


It's been a long while since one of the Democratic presidential candidates went after the Republican presidential candidate, so this was a very welcome development.

Democratic Sen. Barack Obama said Thursday that Sen. John McCain reversed his position on President Bush's deep tax cuts in order to win the Republican presidential nomination, one of his sharpest criticisms yet of the Arizona senator he hopes to face this fall.

Criticizing GOP efforts to extend major tax cuts from Bush's first term and to eliminate the estate tax, Obama said: "These are all steps that John McCain rightly said were irresponsible when they first came up."

"He made a decision to reverse himself on that," Obama told reporters as he flew from Chicago to Washington for a series of Senate votes on budget issues. "That was how, I guess, you got your ticket punched to be the Republican nominee," he said of McCain. "But he was right then, and he's wrong now."

McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said in a statement that if Obama is nominated, "the American people will have a clear choice: John McCain will cut taxes while Senator Obama will raise them, hurting our economy and costing jobs for hardworking Americans." Of course that's what McCain's spokesman said. We probably could have written the quote before it was uttered.

The point is, Obama didn't go after Hillary Clinton; in the midst of a heated Democratic primary fight, he went after John McCain.

Can we have more of this please? Say, every day for the foreseeable future?

I'm increasingly of the opinion that this prolonged Democratic primary process is going to seriously undermine the party's chances of winning in November, but I'll concede that there are some clear advantages -- most notably, we can watch two Democratic heavyweights go after the Republican candidate at the same time, while the GOP has two moving targets.

This benefit disappears, of course, when the Dems go after each other, which is all the more reason for them to target McCain. It might even help them make the case to superdelegates: "Look at how effectively I'm going after John McCain now. If you'd like to see more of this in the fall, I'm your candidate."

Frankly, I'm almost indifferent to which issue(s) Dems pick to go after McCain -- I'm more interested that they go after McCain -- but taxes is as good as any. The Arizona senator is clearly vulnerable on the issue -- he's flip-flopped, he's offering tax cuts that his campaign admits he can't pay for, he's embracing the policies of a wildly unpopular president, and he's advocating more irresponsible cuts that most Americans realize won't help them anyway. Indeed, gone are the days that a Republican can just shout "tax and spend!" and hope voters will recoil. Americans have heard all the tax-cut rhetoric from McCain's mentor (George W. Bush), and they realize the policies don't actually help them in any way.

So, Clinton and Obama, by all means, go after McCain on taxes. And Iraq. And health care. And energy, education, poverty, homeland security, and everything else. Just don't destroy each other.

In one of my favorite movies, "Office Space," Bill Lumbergh puts up a soul-crushing banner in the workplace that reads, "Is this good for the company?" and encourages every employee to ponder this question with "every decision you make." I'd like the Clinton and Obama campaigns to consider a similar banner for their headquarters: "Is this going to help Democrats win in 2008?" If you're repeating Republican talking points, you're not helping. If you're praising Republican candidates, you're not helping. If you're intentionally dividing the Democratic electorate with ugly attacks based on race or gender, you're really not helping.

If you're challenging John McCain on an important policy matter, you're helping.

 
 
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12:23 AM on 03/17/2008
Benen wrote:
> So, Clinton and Obama, by all means, go after McCain on taxes. And Iraq.
> And health care. And energy, education, poverty, homeland security,
> and everything else.

There's a growing segment of the population that'd prefer if the candidates focus on what they're *for*, rather than purely being *against* someone.

> I'd like the Clinton and Obama campaigns to consider a similar banner
> for their headquarters: "Is this going to help Democrats win in 2008?"

Likewise, more and more of us are weary of people whose fundamental intention is "What's good for the Democrats." It might be effective to think in terms of "What's good for the country" instead.

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01:13 PM on 03/17/2008
Stu, you read my mind. "What's good for the COUNTRY," indeed.
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10:11 AM on 03/15/2008
The problem is that both Obama and Clinton's positions on Iraq are so poorly conceived, when they take on McCain, they will lose the debate.

Obama and Clinton, by not coming out for safe, immediate withdrawal of all US troops and contractors, have already lost the battle with McCain over Iraq -- and, probably the election. By refusing to challenge the war itself as not worth the costs regardless of the outcome in that the war's costs are destroying the economy, the Dems have allowed the debate to be one of military tactics. McCain will argue that the Obama/Clinton strategy -- leaving a reduced number of troops in Iraq -- has already been tried and led to 25 dead Americans a week, but that by increasing the number of troops on the ground and keeping them there through the surge, we have reduced US casualties to ten or less dead a week. In other words, by not challenging the war itself and instead buying onto the fairy tale that the region will descend into a calamity of biblical proportions if we leave, Obama and Clinton are putting forward a strategy that McCain will argue increases the likelihood of American casualties. The American people want out of the war and will not buy "cut and run" or "biblical proportions" as a reason to stay, as they understand the cost is not worth whatever outcome occurs. However if their only choice is a costly one that increases US casualties (the Obama/Clinton choice as it will be logically portrayed by McCain), they will support McCain.

The Democrats are collaborators in this war and their refusal to heed the call of the American people to get out will cause them to lose the election, as their counterproposal can easily be portrayed as one that continues incredible costs in lives, limbs and treasure with more casualties than McCain's proposal.
01:20 PM on 03/17/2008
Good point. As I pointed out in another blog, most Iraqi civilians want the US out of Iraq NOW. While it's "feel good" for the US citizens not to hear of 25 or so US troops dying on a weekly basis, how many Iraqi CIVILIANS are dying on a DAILY basis?

As Jeremy Scahill pointed out recently, whether the US pulls out a year from now, or 10, or 100, there will be a civil war in Iraq. When the US captured Saddam Hussein and disbanded the Iraqi military, all hell broke loose in Iraq, and our presence only fueled the fires.

And we cannot afford the millions of US tax dollars that are being squandered on the Iraqi war "effort." This country's being bled dry; Iraq has already been bled dry. Enough is enough.
08:21 PM on 03/14/2008
The behavior exhibited by Barack Obama is that of a leader. He is looking forward and acting on the longer term need to beat McCain. The fact that he is focused on what is most important (beating McCain) and planning ahead each exhibit an important part of leadership. It also is the attitude of a winner.
07:29 PM on 03/14/2008
By all means, Obama should go after McCain. Low blows from Hillary probably require a vigorous response, however.

McCain poses as a sound commander in chief in a time of war. In fact, McCain is determined to continue and perhaps even to compound the idiotic mistakes made and being made by the Bush administration in the Middle East. MCCain seems unable to grasp the simple fact that al-Qaeda will be in Iraq only as long as the US military offers targets for al-Qaeda to attack. A US withdrawal would lead to the elimination of al-Qaeda. Obama needs to hit hard on this issue.
04:51 PM on 03/14/2008
He is a war hero. But GOD, do want your Grandfather running this Country?? He reminds me of every old guy driving a giant GM car at 55 MPH in the left lane giving the finger to everyone who passes him on the right. He's just OLD OLD OLD OLD OLD. Sorry, my neighbor just put up a McCain sign. The filthy racist Republican. Why is it that some people continue to see COLOR? Get over it.
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07:15 PM on 03/14/2008
McCain *used* to be a war hero. Now, sadly, he's just a Republican. (That says a lot about the Republicans.)
04:08 PM on 03/14/2008
Can I hear "Hallelujah?" Can I hear "Amen, Brother?" This has needed to be shouted out at every Democratic event.

The spectacle of the Democratic Party's self-evisceration is depressing to anybody hoping to avoid another administration like the present one. When Obama goes after the Republican nominee, he's showing he knows who the real enemy is.

Clinton is willing to win at any cost, and the Democratic Party is going to be collateral damage. She will destroy it if she must. Her attacks on Obama are doing McCain's dirty work for him.
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03:42 PM on 03/14/2008
Let us consider McCain's "war hero" thing. He might be a "war prisoner" but a war hero? After graduating second from the bottom of his class at the Naval Academy where he was famous for getting drunk and starting fights, he, the Admiral's son, blithly tripped off to Viet Nam where he dumped bombs and napam on the north. He was captured when his plane went down and the farmers who found him in a rice paddy did not kill him...an amazing incident, when you think of it, considering English farmers marched out to their fields with pitch-forks and dispatched German piliots.

We know McCain didn't die in prison and must have suffered much. Suffering is terrible to witness and we have film.

What i hold against him...? He has NEVER said "Whoops". He has never considered that war was illegal, ill-advised, inhumane and he himself, it could be argued, broke the spirit of Geneva Convention rules because he HAD to know he was bombing women and children. That is what i hold against John McCain. Everyone errs. We are Americans and believe in redemption, but first a sinner has to look his mistake in the face and denounce it. He has made a career of being a victim of the people who spared his life.

Besides, i am afraid McCain will want to march right back into Veit Nam since he has been fighting it ever since against the persons of people he considers "liberals".... who he blames for not letting us "win that war". Over a million civilians dead in Nam were not enough for him.
03:22 PM on 03/14/2008
The questions the Dem candidates need to be asking McLame and the Repug Sound Machine are simple: How do you really plan to pay for this war of yours? Do you REALLY think that getting the Chinese to float credit for us is REALLY in the best interests (security-wise and economically) of our country?

With any luck, those question might shut them up for five minutes.
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03:03 PM on 03/14/2008
Okay, one more time from the top, "economy"!!! Where has all the posturing about the economy gone? to Saudi Arabia with our money? What about the price of gas? Has anyone in government noticed that the taxpayer is getting raped again? All the empty promises, all the empty factories, "W" ain't got a clue, him and his oil rich bastards are rolling in money, why does american oil cost the same as Saudi oil? Why do oil companys drill on public land and reap the profits? Don't tell me again the bullshit about drilling costs! How about record profits? every year? Or a rumor that the Saudis buy oil from Chauvez and ship it to america and turn a 100% profit. and don't have to ship it anywhere! America is on the brink of a Major change, we the people have been pushed beyond our means to recover, We need to take America away from big business and uncaring government assholes.
02:43 PM on 03/14/2008
Hillary is a much larger and more wicked danger than McCain.

With Obama and McCain we'll just get more of the same. With Hillary, we'll get something much worse, if you can imagine.
02:27 PM on 03/14/2008
An interesting dilemma for either candidate. The voters aren't voting yet for a president. So, comments made by Barack are fodder for Hillary while be basically a waste of time in the primary.

Hey, everyone voting in the democratic primary right now is against old John. Even republicans know that. Your theory that you can't lose attacking John can backfire like so many of the supposedly well considered moves by the democrats this primary season [the florida primaries come to mind].

And, there is an implicit assumption that John will not be able to make any progress against Barack. Time will tell. The more Barack makes himself a target now against McCain the more he ensures fighting a two front war.
02:23 PM on 03/14/2008
You would think after all these years, the Democratic hopefuls would have realized that cutting each other down is only going to help their opponents.
01:45 PM on 03/14/2008
Couldn't have said it better, I've been worried about the same thing. Unfortunately they need to keep trying to win the nomination (Clinton and Obama) but they should work in attacks on McCain as much as possible.
03:48 PM on 03/14/2008
Obama will be the nominee. Hillary has hopes that she will at least be considered for the V.P. slot. The elections that gave the democrats control of the houses by a slim margin were a mandate on Iraq. Obama knows that he has to win this one step at a time. I see him as a prize fighter taking hits here and there; mostly glancing body blows. Wait for it. McCain won't know what hit him.
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01:39 PM on 03/14/2008
McCain is a scary, spooky war loving creature, a tragic figure who has regretted his decision to choose captivity in prison over freedom, having been fooled into the lessor honor of staying with other POWs when he could have instead returned to the jet cockpit to resume bombing the enemy and freeing the remaining captives. This has gnawed at him ever since: "...For the loss of a pilot, the battle was lost, for the loss of the battle the war was lost, for the loss of the war the kingdom was lost." As president he won't let that happen again. He channels Nostradamus with his eerie McCain Quatrains, "There will be other wars, I'm sorry to tell you this, there will be other wars"... "Bomb bomb bomb Iran"...
And as a POW he'd learned to take the blows of an inquisition - so today almost any relentless questioning by media types is something he can handle like a walk in the park. A one or two hour press conference is absolutely nothing for him comparied to what he learned to handle as a POW.
As to the coming tough campaign (it's already underway, and pundits and righties are framing the issues as you read this): Anyone in politics is beatable, McCon is no exception. A campaign that leads, moves fast, hits vulnerable targets, reminds the nation of their vision for America and attacks will win. Hesitation, coasting, allowing others to set the agenda, not smacking down hard any swiftie attacks - that will court defeat.
12:48 PM on 03/14/2008
I would never have guessed that the Democrats, with the White House almost virtually guaranteed, would be able to screw-up their chances so miserably with their in-fighting. Our party has sliced and diced itself to the point that no one dares admit that an opposing viewpoint from within the party has any validity whatsoever, making compromise impossible. Instead of rallying more people to come together, they are rallying to fight each other at all costs. Not a very attractive picture to the Independents or undecideds, especially after witnessing all the failures of a bickering Congress this last term. Can either candidate claim to be able to truly unify this country behind their candidacy? Remember, the one who wins the general election has to be the one most likely to be followed by the majority of the population as a whole, not just the party. With so many Democrats refusing to "crossover", even within the party, in their support of whoever is nominated, it is easy to predict a lack of turn-out necessary to win the general. 1968 all over again.
All John McCain has to do is sit back, not say anything too controversial to his fellow Republicans, assure them all that none of this sort of bickering or infighting will be allowed in HIS administration, and he's in. Rove advised party leaders against any racial or gender mudslinging from within the party, at least until after convention, and so far, it has worked. They have been able to rise above the frackus, allowing the Democrats to implode with that battle all on their own. What's worse, even a few weeks ago (feels like years) there appeared to be hope that the Dems could gain additional seats in Congress. Now, the Republicans have been given time to regroup, and rally- their support of party candidates has strenghtened beyond imagination. More contributions are being raised on the Republican Congressional tickets than the Presidential, but it doesn't seem to matter to the Democrats. One thing you got to credit Republicans with, even if they don't particularly like a candidate personally, they are LOYAL to the goals of the PARTY. Something Democrats have never been able to accomplish, even in the best of times. Congratulations all, you may get your CANDIDATE on the ballot, but the in-fighting it took to get there has cost you the ELECTION.
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01:46 PM on 03/14/2008
I need to address this meme. We are fighting about our candidate. It's gotten ugly. Some people will be alienated from the process because of this--that's all a given.

But here's the 411: The readers of this site, of all political websites, are, perhaps, 5% of the electorate. Most of the people voting in the primaries don't know any of this--they have a couple of names, and 15 second sound bites on the network news to go on--& while this abysmal ignorance makes me unhappy, the good side of it is that they are almost completely unaware of the vitriol too.

We are talking about important issues. This mode of conversation will expand. We will have an impact. Right now, we're still a tempest in a teapot.